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Do you remember the Bush years? (9/11, Katrina, Valerie Plame, etc.)
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I think i just lost some brain cells
TheWorthyEdge
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Back-In-Black
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What? You need to check your glasses, I never stated that. I was talking about the handling of those situations that occurred under his watch. FEMA dropped the ball HARD during Katrina and that was thanks to the idiot Bush placed in charge of the organization.
Jorok Goldblade
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Should probably add the ignored "Bin Laden determines to attack within the United States" report, too.
This year proved that a lot of people didn't remember "Ralph Don't Run"
This year proved that a lot of people didn't remember "Ralph Don't Run"
tiredheadcrab
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I remember all of these except the Plame scandal which ironically I am now more familiar with than the rest. That shit was CNN for awhile too. I watched a lot of CNN in that time and still do but hardly ever remember hearing about it.
NullPointer
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All too well.
I expect worse over the next several years.
I expect worse over the next several years.
I remember being told by our Geops group that "CheneyMania" was maybe a bad term for a video games shotgun spree in MP.
Knuckle Sandwich
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It really is night and day when you compare the two. The only real scandals Obama's had are shit made up or made out to be bigger than they were by the republicans/Fox News.
As for Dick Cheney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmhmYYjrVUY
As for Dick Cheney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmhmYYjrVUY
It's a joke; Trump mistakes 9/11 for 7/11 but yeah I remember most of the events, as a young school child.
Read his book, Decision points, as well and it's a great read. Made me much more sympathetic towards him. Though his father was a much better president. Obama's memoar Dreams from my father is great as well.
Yes! I got laid off the last day Bush was in office along with 100s of my co-workers. Our startup had been funded by Goldman Sachs. On the bright side I got to stay home the next day and watch Obama's inauguration. I am not even going to watch Trump's.
Adam_Vania
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i remember Al Gore being a shit candidate and corporate dem apologists blaming Nader for his loss. so yeah pretty much a repeat of this year, shit candidate and all. and Al Gore didn't even vote for Iraq War!
You could telegraph when there would be a threat level alert. Usually after the administration did something boneheaded and needed a distraction.
The year of my birth (1996) is actually the one of the last years thst remembers 9/11 at all. Talking with anyone younger than me and they have no memory of it.
Stop.
bush presidency was my political awakening. i still remember the profound disappointment of the 2004 election and bush subsequently claiming a mandate trying to privatize social security. then the state attorney scandals. one thing to take heart in (if you can take heart in continual fuckups that damage the country) is that the return of full fledged GOP means it wont be long before they take a dive off the deep end. they just cannot help themselves.
rip cheneymania
Dreams-Visions
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Yes, I recall very well how bad a President he was.
People have short memories.
People have short memories.
I'm still pissed over this.
John Kowalski
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No, but i don't remember much anyway. I don't even remember the elections Obama won.
Hickbilly Deluxe
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The same way Trump did. His primary opponent ran a bad campaign with a bad VP canidate all while being amazingly uninspiring resulting in them losing what should have been an easily winnable contest.
In other words, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory much to the amazement of their supporters.
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Man, the Obama administration has been a silent one at least.
Specially since people didn't care about the CIA spying on the Senate and the White House trying to cover it up.
Specially since people didn't care about the CIA spying on the Senate and the White House trying to cover it up.
TheWorthyEdge
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Is it me that needs to check my glasses? You literally said "brought us". I understand what you mean now, but cmon...
theignoramus
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Him and his whole administration was pretty odious. I can remember like yesterday the reports of Condi Rice shopping in a DC suburb during Katrina. The whole administrations initial response to that was underlined by a cool indifference.
ImpracticalPassword
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That was an amazingly stupid moment in American political life. Had some historical precedent ("liberty cabbage" instead of sauerkraut during WWI) but still stupid (also, Germany was at least a country we were at war with).
I remember Au Bon Pain putting signs up saying that they were an American company. American reaction to France's very sensible misgivings about invading Iraq was so incredibly over the top.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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It makes Trump's reluctance to attend intelligence briefings very concerning to say the least.
And over a decade later nobody on either side of the aisle wants to own that war.
andythinkpad
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Do people really need to be reminded off what the Bush years was like?
I got news for you, as long as the domestic economy is not good enough, the white house will most likely go to the other party after every 8 years.
And the liberal capitalism American practice has seem a lot of cracks in the 21st century. The economy is going to be shit.
I got news for you, as long as the domestic economy is not good enough, the white house will most likely go to the other party after every 8 years.
And the liberal capitalism American practice has seem a lot of cracks in the 21st century. The economy is going to be shit.
Adam_Vania
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i dont know, this is how some ppl act. we can't know what would happen. we do know Clinton voted for Iraq even with the hated W as president and cheerleader of the whole deal. maybe it was simply the way things were meant to happen, and this is why she voted for it. for that reason it's not entirely impossible neocon imperialism as establishment foreign policy would've stayed the same.
fact is back then the left caused self-harm w the same purity tests they shot themselves in the foot with this time. yet people continue to act like 3rd party voters are the spawn of satan, and Trump supporters originating from the amoral universe. truth is the candidate sucked, personally. she was a bad person to run.
it's not that social matters shouldn't be a big deal. it's that Clinton didn't own them enough. the Clintons historically haven't done much for the disadvantaged and in fact have contributed to a lot of systemic injustice against the very people supporters claim they embody. they are very exploitative, and this came through in the campaign despite all efforts by dems and the media to market them as really owning these causes. you do not vote for the Iraq War/Patriot Act then use a Gold Star family as a human shield against a madman without some questions. i found that really distasteful, and a perfect example of the clinical, anti-human way the campaign was run. Trump acted like the ultimate bigoted cartoon of a hateful rich man but ultimately he was very upfront about it and even the behind the scenes footage corroborated his public image as an uncouth temperamental asshole.
again who knows? he probably has a smaller rolodex of arms dealers, warlords, and international killers than she does. he knows, what, mostly shady business people? yes he lost a billion dollars of other peoples money but now she did as well. does that make her disqualified?
GreatestHits
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Remembering the Bush years has really put this up-and-coming president into perspective. He is not capable of a tenth of the damage Bush did.
End of story. Work harder next election, (way harder, become an activist, all of us) but stop thinking the sky is falling. This isn't shit
And I get the people comparing Bush to Clinton. She was way more "devious" than Trump. She holds a lot of the same Bush paradigms at heart, and so does Obama. These are modern political paradigms. Trump is just an idiot, and many will be delighted with the automatic delegation of power in their favor.
End of story. Work harder next election, (way harder, become an activist, all of us) but stop thinking the sky is falling. This isn't shit
And I get the people comparing Bush to Clinton. She was way more "devious" than Trump. She holds a lot of the same Bush paradigms at heart, and so does Obama. These are modern political paradigms. Trump is just an idiot, and many will be delighted with the automatic delegation of power in their favor.
Silent Chief
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Trump is installing unqualified people everywhere. Maybe one or two won't be a total disaster, but the vast majority of them will be. 2017 will a hell of a ride.
GreatestHits
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Trump still has to OK and then deal with the intricacies and the fallout of war (please do NOT excuse that pun
). Trump has got the business resilience and patience of a kid playing Sim City 3000 with cheats enabled. If you bought his pathetic macho facade, then you'll be real surprised to find out he sleeps with the light on. There will be no (relatively) heavy decisions made on his behalf, unless we see this man transform beyond recognition.Basically Trump will be an acid rain upon all people not already fortunate enough to be pissing it from above. It won't be a big catastrophe. More of a wheezing, incessant death or something. This will spawn extreme reactions from those who dearly care about the planet and it's people, so the crucible is just going to kick things up a notch. Honestly, I'm starting to get all hippie-dippie, because it's almost as if mother nature brought him into the picture to painfully evolve to the next stage, which was lolly-gagging hard up until this point
Poor guy was born too early. If only he got a chance to run in 2016 he would have fit right in the reality TV spectacle haha.
GreatestHits
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Devious would be Clinton. Outright steaming shit would be Trump. This has been the rhetoric since the beginning, yet that's as far as the truth sunk with everyone
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