Do you think Halo 5 will live up to expectations?
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dragonelite
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From what i saw and heard they listened to the beta feedback and i played that almost every time.
DrowsyJungle
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You're right about the Halo community not being on the same page with their favorite titles. That's why I think 343 has to take what was great from each one and build that into a package. If they trapped that kind of lightning in a bottle with Halo 5 I can see the attach rate being very high. I'm not sure about 50%+ though.
Halo 3 went on to sell nearly 12 million copies, even though at its launch the 360's worldwide install base was roughly the same as what Xbox One's is at currently.
My expectations?
As long as the campaign is good, it will. The beta was very enjoyable so I'm positive that I'll enjoy multiplayer.
Overall expectations? Maybe -- especially since the expectations seem to be very mixed so far.
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First day sales? Maybe 500-750K. First full month? Maybe 4 million+. The Xbox One userbase is higher than the 360's was during the launch of Halo 3 and the Xbox One is seen as far more of a "box you prefer due to exclusives" than the 360 was during its time/gen.
The game is going to take a hit when COD launches (inevitable) but the game should still continue to have many players up until "Halo 6" as long as it's good/received well.
As long as the campaign is good, it will. The beta was very enjoyable so I'm positive that I'll enjoy multiplayer.
Overall expectations? Maybe -- especially since the expectations seem to be very mixed so far.
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First day sales? Maybe 500-750K. First full month? Maybe 4 million+. The Xbox One userbase is higher than the 360's was during the launch of Halo 3 and the Xbox One is seen as far more of a "box you prefer due to exclusives" than the 360 was during its time/gen.
The game is going to take a hit when COD launches (inevitable) but the game should still continue to have many players up until "Halo 6" as long as it's good/received well.
hydrophilic attack
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Expectations among gamers seem to be pretty low, so I think it will probably live up to, and maybe even exceed, expectations.
Monocle
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I think Halo 5 will be regarded more favorably than Halo 4, and maintain a decent multiplayer population without the massive drop-off that 4 suffered.
Personally though, I think my impressions will be mixed. 343 are not Halo-era Bungie, and so far the comparison has never been kind to them. They seem to have entirely different sensibilities. They lack the Bungie touch. From my outsider's perspective, it was only after Halo 4's tepid reception that they reevaluated their efforts to make Halo more enticing to CoD players, and to leave their own mark on the series in ways that simply didn't gel with fans' mostly reasonable expectations for what a Halo game should be.
I hope Halo 5 proves that 343 can be reliable stewards of the Halo property. I want to love it. What little I've seen of the campaign has been really promising (aside from that underwhelming E3 demo). 343 have definitely been saying the right things about their design objectives for the campaign too. Bigger, longer, less linear, etc. And I absolutely love what they've done on the lore side with Hunt the Truth.
So... we'll see.
Personally though, I think my impressions will be mixed. 343 are not Halo-era Bungie, and so far the comparison has never been kind to them. They seem to have entirely different sensibilities. They lack the Bungie touch. From my outsider's perspective, it was only after Halo 4's tepid reception that they reevaluated their efforts to make Halo more enticing to CoD players, and to leave their own mark on the series in ways that simply didn't gel with fans' mostly reasonable expectations for what a Halo game should be.
I hope Halo 5 proves that 343 can be reliable stewards of the Halo property. I want to love it. What little I've seen of the campaign has been really promising (aside from that underwhelming E3 demo). 343 have definitely been saying the right things about their design objectives for the campaign too. Bigger, longer, less linear, etc. And I absolutely love what they've done on the lore side with Hunt the Truth.
So... we'll see.
I think it'll match players and critics expectations.
90+ on Metacritic.
Still being played weeks & months after launch by a healthy player count.
Why?
From the videos I've seen, the campaign looks really well-made. A lot of big, wide levels & more linear levels, just like the past Halo games. And it sucks that split screen was cut, but the drop in drop out 4-player co-op seems like a nice addition at least.
The soundtrack is amazing.
I've played the beta, and the multiplayer was very good. Since then, 343 has had time to refine and tinker with the maps and gameplay options. And soon after launch BTB and Forge are dropping, which should cause a healthy resurgence in the player pool. Not to mention the continuous free maps.
90+ on Metacritic.
Still being played weeks & months after launch by a healthy player count.
Why?
From the videos I've seen, the campaign looks really well-made. A lot of big, wide levels & more linear levels, just like the past Halo games. And it sucks that split screen was cut, but the drop in drop out 4-player co-op seems like a nice addition at least.
The soundtrack is amazing.
I've played the beta, and the multiplayer was very good. Since then, 343 has had time to refine and tinker with the maps and gameplay options. And soon after launch BTB and Forge are dropping, which should cause a healthy resurgence in the player pool. Not to mention the continuous free maps.
fallingdove
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No, it won't unfortunately.
There are some talented guys over at 343 but they are carrying someone else's torch and that torch is a heavy one with a lot of pressure from fans, from microsoft, and from a slowly evolving shooter genre.
From what I have seen I have already been somewhat disappointed. The game lost a lot of credibility with me when it ditched local multiplayer - a series staple. The rest of the game seems to lack identity - the enemies uninspired, the weapons too familiar to those in other recent space shooters, the mechanics chasing other popular fps franchises.
The game will sell a shit ton no doubt, but sadly, Halo will never be what it once was.
There are some talented guys over at 343 but they are carrying someone else's torch and that torch is a heavy one with a lot of pressure from fans, from microsoft, and from a slowly evolving shooter genre.
From what I have seen I have already been somewhat disappointed. The game lost a lot of credibility with me when it ditched local multiplayer - a series staple. The rest of the game seems to lack identity - the enemies uninspired, the weapons too familiar to those in other recent space shooters, the mechanics chasing other popular fps franchises.
The game will sell a shit ton no doubt, but sadly, Halo will never be what it once was.
I think we will see one of the best, if not the best, Halo campaign (both from a narrative and gameplay standpoint). And the MP will be rocksolid ... however, I do expect complaints that the campaign has "lost it's roots" and that the multiplayer is "too fast paced for a Halo". (Can't comment on the first complaint, second one is bollocks, the MP is fine)
I expect high 80's metacritic.
I expect high 80's metacritic.
Flying Toaster
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I want to disagree with you but I can't. Honestly the shooter genre has changed quite a lot.
Interficium
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50% attach is not going to happen in the current climate, coming off of Halo 4 and MCC. That's lightning-in-a-bottle territory. That's Wii Fit and Halo CE territory.
If population is your bar (and based on how popular that Halo 4 population graph has been on Gaf, it is for many folks), then having any hopes that Halo 5 is going to "take the mantle back" from COD is totally naive. Halo 5 won't be touching the concurrency numbers of COD, Destiny, or Battlefront.
When Halo 4 came out, BLOPS2 came a week later and literally took half of Halo's daily multiplayer population. This time they've got BLOPS3 and Battlefront launches in front of them, and the Destiny behemoth behind them.
I like what they've done with Warzone and Arena, but with population having been such a huge concern in the past, it could turn out to be an albatross around 343's neck to bifurcate their playerbase right off the bat. I'm pulling this -directly- out of my ass, but I'm going to guess there will not be a ton of crossover between Warzone and Arena, particularly the guys who play mostly Arena. If Battlefront and COD kneecap the casual population in Warzone, you're going to be left with 150k (at best) pool of MLG-identifying diehard competitive players in Arena, a number which will slowly diminish into nothingness, Halo 4-style. I've heard a lot of theories about how Halo 4's population got killed because "it wasn't competitive, they tried to make it like COD, the hardcore abandoned it" etc, but really the biggest reason is that the casual crowd left to go play COD instead, and without those players to feed on, the hardcore eventually left as well. It's a symbiotic relationship.
If population is your bar (and based on how popular that Halo 4 population graph has been on Gaf, it is for many folks), then having any hopes that Halo 5 is going to "take the mantle back" from COD is totally naive. Halo 5 won't be touching the concurrency numbers of COD, Destiny, or Battlefront.
When Halo 4 came out, BLOPS2 came a week later and literally took half of Halo's daily multiplayer population. This time they've got BLOPS3 and Battlefront launches in front of them, and the Destiny behemoth behind them.
I like what they've done with Warzone and Arena, but with population having been such a huge concern in the past, it could turn out to be an albatross around 343's neck to bifurcate their playerbase right off the bat. I'm pulling this -directly- out of my ass, but I'm going to guess there will not be a ton of crossover between Warzone and Arena, particularly the guys who play mostly Arena. If Battlefront and COD kneecap the casual population in Warzone, you're going to be left with 150k (at best) pool of MLG-identifying diehard competitive players in Arena, a number which will slowly diminish into nothingness, Halo 4-style. I've heard a lot of theories about how Halo 4's population got killed because "it wasn't competitive, they tried to make it like COD, the hardcore abandoned it" etc, but really the biggest reason is that the casual crowd left to go play COD instead, and without those players to feed on, the hardcore eventually left as well. It's a symbiotic relationship.
All depends on your own expectation i guess. It will do good i think. But it never will be the new Halo 2 etc. Different times now. Luckily it does have something unique compared to the other shooters out there. Its skill based and has depth, the only one left for me on consoles.
Will it sell more then COD , Star Wars? Offcourse not. Will it be played for quite a long time? I am sure.
Will it sell more then COD , Star Wars? Offcourse not. Will it be played for quite a long time? I am sure.
Flame Lord
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My expectation are pretty fucking low, so if it doesn't meet them then they might as well cancel all that shit.
WordsintheWater
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For me personally, most likely. For the rest in general, I don't think so.
PetulantChild
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Based on certain information I've seen and 343s previous work and attitude I would say absolutely not, 343s stubbornness in clinging to it's unfitting aesthetics and story lines were a big sign things weren't going to change too drastically from Halo 4 especially. My expectations were really damn low too after MCC and Halo 4.
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DrowsyJungle
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I honestly think Halo has taken steps backwards starting with Halo 3 (mechanics & MP wise). The Halo 5 Beta has been the first time since Halo 2 that I've been excited about MP.
Losing split screen kind of sucks for some for sure. I haven't used that feature in...I can't remember when. The enemies seem inspired to me...there's a lot of variety there. The mechanics feel fresh, its 60fps, and weapons aren't hip fire only. Oh and the pistol doesn't suck.
You literally can't get away with shipping a Halo 3 style game in 2015. This is a new direction for Halo and I LIKE IT
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What are the expectations exactly?
There are many different opinions on what Halo should do or not do.
My expectations are rather low as I'm not interested in the MP and the campaign has no interesting story hook I'd know about. Probably Chief goes rogue, not exactly my idea of an interesting Halo campaign but I don't really know much about it, we'll see.
There are many different opinions on what Halo should do or not do.
My expectations are rather low as I'm not interested in the MP and the campaign has no interesting story hook I'd know about. Probably Chief goes rogue, not exactly my idea of an interesting Halo campaign but I don't really know much about it, we'll see.
Goty 2015 and I kinda agree. Everything I've seen scream Goty 2015 and I am not even an Halo fan.
Plus, I've played the beta, and I think this it is the strongest MP I've seen in my life, except for the auto server choice. Gameplay wise, it's THAT far from everything else I've played, and that's coming from a CS:GO player.
Does anyone even play Killzone?
As for Halo 5: if the beta and the preview gameplay is any kind of metric - the series has never looked, sounded, and played better.
formasymphonic
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Too many people want too many separate things out of Halo. It isn't realistically feasible for anyone to be able to deliver on all those expectations
There are some questions going around:
- Does it feel like Halo?
- Do the gunplay feel like Halo?
- Do the mp feel like Halo?
- Do it look like Halo?
After Halo 4 and the whole MCC fuck up, people are questioning if Halo is Halo and if 343 has captured the essence of what makes Halo, Halo. At the same time ALOT of people are superhyped for Halo 5, just by looking at the numbers of threads here on gaf. From what i´ve seen and read, this game will do excellent and 343 will redeem itself as a good game developer.
- Does it feel like Halo?
- Do the gunplay feel like Halo?
- Do the mp feel like Halo?
- Do it look like Halo?
After Halo 4 and the whole MCC fuck up, people are questioning if Halo is Halo and if 343 has captured the essence of what makes Halo, Halo. At the same time ALOT of people are superhyped for Halo 5, just by looking at the numbers of threads here on gaf. From what i´ve seen and read, this game will do excellent and 343 will redeem itself as a good game developer.
To me?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Leaps and bounds better than 4 from what I've played/seen so far.
dgrdsv
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My feelings as well. I don't have any expectations from Halo 5 and it doesn't look like there's a lot of hype for the game coming out in less than a week from today. I think it'll do fine on the expectations front.
Really? There are half a dozen 2015 games which will easily beat Halo 5 at being a GOTY. I will actually be surprised if Halo 5 will be named GOTY by more than a couple of media outlets. I don't think that anyone expect it to be GOTY, just another post Bungie Halo sequel.
Definitely agree.
Although, what makes me laugh is 4 is the most populated on MCC and always gets voted for the most in mixed game playlists, SWAT/Slayer etc. I also think it's the best MP on MCC, seriously. Actually, not as good as H2:A.
How's this for an unpopular opinion, I hate 3. The BR kills the entire game.
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For what it's worth(likely not alot). Comparing the view counts for Halo 4 vs Halo 5 for pre-release trailers on YouTube, Halo 5 is tracking above Halo 4.
dragonelite
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Nah i don't think it will, but then again both are really casual friendly so they target both markets.
I think it won't live to masterpiece expectations but from what I've seen the gameplay is great and the story seems to be great fan-fic. I have no problem with Chief taking a backseat the way it's apparently set up - well thought out. So pretty much like Halo 3, Halo 2 but not quite Halo 1 CE. Can't ask for more. I won't be playing it unfortunately anytime soon.......unless I visit someone I don't want to for the time being 
343 are mixing it up with the story. Lets see what they can do.
The game has a laser focus on pro players with Arena now.
It also has a Warzone which is a natural extension of BTB.
Plus free DLC and a forge mode that really looks incredibly comprehensive.
What more do 343 have to do? If it all works well then it should match the hype. But this isn't what things were like a decade ago. Halo has so much competition to contend with even though, mp wise, its an entirely different kettle of fish.
Having played the beta and Warzone, I truly think this could be the best Halo in years. Good luck to 343 I say. They've obviously worked extremely hard on this.
The game has a laser focus on pro players with Arena now.
It also has a Warzone which is a natural extension of BTB.
Plus free DLC and a forge mode that really looks incredibly comprehensive.
What more do 343 have to do? If it all works well then it should match the hype. But this isn't what things were like a decade ago. Halo has so much competition to contend with even though, mp wise, its an entirely different kettle of fish.
Having played the beta and Warzone, I truly think this could be the best Halo in years. Good luck to 343 I say. They've obviously worked extremely hard on this.
That is an unpopular opinion. One that I share.
I think Halo 3 plays like shit by comparison to any of the other Halo games, it's my least played Halo game (though I liked ODST's feel more for some reason). Halo 4 mp has that awful pause after sprinting - but everything else about it feels and sounds great. And yes H2:A is the best shit.
For some reason, plain Halo 2 MP on MCC feels...much worse.
A lot of people shit on MCC, but just remember that they took all those Halo games and stuck them onto 1 disc and had cross-game matchmaking for campaign and MP. Pretty nuts. Still not an excuse for launching broken though.
Hoping they remaster or re-release Reach at some point. Loved that game's campaign.
ZeezbruhTV
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If it doesn't im done with xbox forever. I think it will be solid.
Im_So_Pringles
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I'm expecting a normal length campaign that is little better than Halo 4's. I'm expecting a multiplayer that will still not play like the Halo of old because of sprint and is ultimately unfit for my tastes when playing a Halo game. I also expect to put this game down two weeks after its release, pick it back up for a week when forge releases, then notice that the multiplayer is still not what I expect and put it back down. So I think my expectations are going to be met.
Please exceed my expectations 343. I want to love new Halo games again. I desperately do!
Please exceed my expectations 343. I want to love new Halo games again. I desperately do!
That pretty much falls in line with most core Halo titles
Naked Lunch
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We've already played the beta - and the general consensus is that it was a good game and a return to Halo form. The beta only featured 4v4 multiplayer - Its only going to get better with the different modes. A beta didnt happen with Halo 4 and players went in cold.
Depends what your personal expectations are. I'm guessing it will be a fantastic game comparable to its peers but the single player won't blow players minds as they know what to expect going in.
If the MP hold up without too many bugs/connection issues I'm sure that will get a decent amount of praise but it is something a lot of people have already played in the beta or read/seen extensively via previews.
For me personal, I'm not all that hyped for the game as I haven't been following it extensively but I can't wait to play through the new campaign and warzone sounds like it could be a lot of fun! I'm hoping it meets my expectations as they aren't all that high for it! I mean the opening badass cutscene is another to meet my expectations
If the MP hold up without too many bugs/connection issues I'm sure that will get a decent amount of praise but it is something a lot of people have already played in the beta or read/seen extensively via previews.
For me personal, I'm not all that hyped for the game as I haven't been following it extensively but I can't wait to play through the new campaign and warzone sounds like it could be a lot of fun! I'm hoping it meets my expectations as they aren't all that high for it! I mean the opening badass cutscene is another to meet my expectations
I'm pretty sure it will sell well enough for them to keep making more but I don't have high hopes I'll enjoy it as much as I did with Bungie's games.
Also I've seen little to no hype for this game. I remember when Halo 3 came out the TV adverts were great and they were shown frequently. Since then I've not seen nearly as much promotions for any other Halo game (although I may not be looking in places it's being advertised).
Also I've seen little to no hype for this game. I remember when Halo 3 came out the TV adverts were great and they were shown frequently. Since then I've not seen nearly as much promotions for any other Halo game (although I may not be looking in places it's being advertised).