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[awwr999999]

The immediate future is a step back to a wired DualSense that's less expensive, doesn't require charging and is extremely difficult to connect to a PC.
DualSense is the biggest leap in controllers since the DualShock's improvement on the SNES gamepad.
PlayStation owning the two biggest controller leaps in a row is a massive deal.
The potential for DualSense to deliver a windfall victory to MS (via emulation) at the expense of both PlayStation and Nintendo is massive.
Moving from a PS5 to a PS3/2/1 or GC/SNES/etc. the biggest thing that pops out is the lack of DualSense feedback.
The USB port on the DualSense means that we'll end up getting all of our old games with DualSense one way or another.
Worst case scenario this arrives via modded PS2 and PS1 games, Sony and studios are permanently cut out of the loop and no one's making any money.
This DualSense feedback will likely be generic one-size-fits all feedback that's inferior to the quality feedback studios would implement.
GTA San Andreas with crude DualSense feedback via PCSX2 or a modded PS2 will get in the way of modern GTA game sales.

Sony can get in front of this issue on their end by getting studios to add DualSense feedback to PS2 and PS1 games and
selling a DualSense PS2 where studios can sell those DualSense PS2/1 games via PSN.
Legacy PS games will remain profitable into the future for both PS and game studios.

Nintendo can't add DualSense to their games and PC will end up being how people get DualSense enabled Nintendo games.
Zelda and Mario with DualSense feedback will be better than they've ever been on any Nintendo console.
It will benefit MS by giving emulation the biggest leap since fast affordable internet made it easy to share games.
DualSense Mario will create a situation where the most dedicated Nintendo fans have no choice but to use PC.

Sony should have given DualSense a PS2-style proprietary plug and built-in protections to ensure that DualSense controllers only work on PS HW.
DualSense and PS exclusives are the best reasons to buy a PlayStation console as opposed to a PC.
It doesn't make sense for Sony to give PC the DualSense - creating a dynamic where PC will end up with more DualSense exclusives than PS by virtue of Nintendo DualSense games that will never exist off of PC.

 

[March Climber]

Trackball & Stroll wheel was some of the things I was thinking about that lead me into making this thread.

Momentum based input could add some fun back to gaming . But we would probably end up with a bunch of bowling games

They're too scared to do it. Hell, they're still too scared to make gyro a standard across all console games that use the right stick for camera movement, which is like over 75% of them on modern consoles.

 

[ReBurn]

Controllers really haven't changed a lot since they got analog sticks and rumble. Haptics and gyro have come along and they are cool sometimes, but not exactly revolutionary. I'm of the opinion that if it ain't broke then don't fix it.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Gyro aiming as an option should absolutely be the standard by now.

The other obvious improvement is back paddles.

Neither would exactly allow new types of gameplay though.

It's unbelievable that it is standard on PS4/5 controllers but almost not used and aim assists are still a thing.

 

[onQ123]

I want it for that precise aiming and menu navigation.

It could also bring different types of games to console , twitch stuff like Subway Surfers & Temple Run or the old school games like Breakout & strolling shoot'em ups

 

[dave_d]

It's unbelievable that it is standard on PS4/5 controllers but almost not used and aim assists are still a thing.

Literally why I noped out of Genshin Impact after 10 minutes. (They copied so much of the look of BotW but didn't copy gyro aiming for the PS5 version?)

 

[Jigsaah]

Armpit pads. You gotta flex your armpit muscles to hit the buttons.



























Pretend like you just didn't try to do that.

 

[onQ123]

An O onQ123 thread? I expected a self-quote where he claims to have invented the d-pad.

You should seek help for your obsession with me

The immediate future is a step back to a wired DualSense that's less expensive, doesn't require charging and is extremely difficult to connect to a PC.
DualSense is the biggest leap in controllers since the DualShock's improvement on the SNES gamepad.
PlayStation owning the two biggest controller leaps in a row is a massive deal.
The potential for DualSense to deliver a windfall victory to MS (via emulation) at the expense of both PlayStation and Nintendo is massive.
Moving from a PS5 to a PS3/2/1 or GC/SNES/etc. the biggest thing that pops out is the lack of DualSense feedback.
The USB port on the DualSense means that we'll end up getting all of our old games with DualSense one way or another.
Worst case scenario this arrives via modded PS2 and PS1 games, Sony and studios are permanently cut out of the loop and no one's making any money.
This DualSense feedback will likely be generic one-size-fits all feedback that's inferior to the quality feedback studios would implement.
GTA San Andreas with crude DualSense feedback via PCSX2 or a modded PS2 will get in the way of modern GTA game sales.

Sony can get in front of this issue on their end by getting studios to add DualSense feedback to PS2 and PS1 games and
selling a DualSense PS2 where studios can sell those DualSense PS2/1 games via PSN.
Legacy PS games will remain profitable into the future for both PS and game studios.

Nintendo can't add DualSense to their games and PC will end up being how people get DualSense enabled Nintendo games.
Zelda and Mario with DualSense feedback will be better than they've ever been on any Nintendo console.
It will benefit MS by giving emulation the biggest leap since fast affordable internet made it easy to share games.
DualSense Mario will create a situation where the most dedicated Nintendo fans have no choice but to use PC.

Sony should have given DualSense a PS2-style proprietary plug and built-in protections to ensure that DualSense controllers only work on PS HW.
DualSense and PS exclusives are the best reasons to buy a PlayStation console as opposed to a PC.
It doesn't make sense for Sony to give PC the DualSense - creating a dynamic where PC will end up with more DualSense exclusives than PS by virtue of Nintendo DualSense games that will never exist off of PC.

Slow down buddy N64 was released with the thumb stick & trigger before PlayStation released the Dual Analog & later DualShock

We also had Sega's 3D controller for Knights that came before Dual Analog

They're too scared to do it. Hell, they're still too scared to make gyro a standard across all console games that use the right stick for camera movement, which is like over 75% of them on modern consoles.

Sadly but yeah Sony has to lead the way by releasing games that can only be played with DualSense like Astro Bot

Some of the controls & gameplay in Astro Bot could have full games made around them they could also bring back some rail shooters & use the gyro aim .

 

[Liopleurodon]

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Capacitive buttons/sticks

You can effectively double the control inputs with no change in form factor. Would be great for gyro set-ups.



Scroll wheels around the gates of the sticks would also be very interesting. Internally captured sticks would prevent any interference.

Like this except instead of a tension adjustment it was a scroll wheel.

 

[Syphon Filter]

No need to force nothing, controllers are perfected really already.

 

[Kabelly]

HD Rumble was a gimmick at launch and now it's a prime feature in Sony controllers. Funny how that turned out. Curious how Mario Kart World's haptics will feel.

Controllers will finally pass a milestone when Microsoft stops sitting on their assses and finally add a gyroscope to their controllers. We need full parity.

 

[March Climber]

This exists for fighting games:

 

[Liopleurodon]

This exists for fighting games:

Is it easier to play with that thing?

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

This exists for fighting games:

Those look like they were intentionally designed to induce carpal tunnel.

Give those hands some breathing room, man

 

[onQ123]

HD Rumble was a gimmick at launch and now it's a prime feature in Sony controllers. Funny how that turned out. Curious how Mario Kart World's haptics will feel.

Controllers will finally pass a milestone when Microsoft stops sitting on their assses and finally add a gyroscope to their controllers. We need full parity.

They really held back IMU (Gyro & Accelerometers) from being standard for 19 years & 3 generations

That's kinda crazy because even Steamdeck has Gyro it's Xbox alone holding it back from being the standard across the board.

 

[kevboard]

Those look like they were intentionally designed to induce carpal tunnel.

Give those hands some breathing room, man

the opposite is the case. the buttons are placed like this so that your hands are at a relaxed angle

 

[Sorcerer]

The only thing possibly left and in the distant future, (not in my lifetime at least) would be a vr helmet with the ability control inputs with mind control (brainwaves I guess). This is probably the thing that will make VR finaly mainstream. Then after that applying the tech to a standard input controller- non-vr.

I believe you can control the Apple VR headset with your eyes. But that's something totally possible. I have a game on Steam that uses your computer camera to register your eye blinks to play the game, but its only about making choices, nothing controller input heavy anyway.

 

[coffinbirth]

I will take "How to become the richest man on earth in under 6 months" for $1000 Alex

The fact that this has existed for YEARS should be proof enough that VR is indeed a niche product. I mean, uh...allegedly.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Sex doll you hook up to a VR headset for haptic feedback on yo dick.

Teledildonics.

 

[consoul]

haptic feedback on yo dick.

hapdick

brb, registering trademark

 

[L*][*N*K]

Mothers won't buy little Timmy something he has to plug into his head.

 

[onQ123]

No need to force nothing, controllers are perfected really already.

There was a time when we thought the SNES controller was perfect Then 3D games came along.

 

[Stratostar]

The other obvious improvement is back paddles.

Blows my mind that this wasn't standardized this gen. Even crazier to think Nintendo finally added them to their pro controller but on PS5 the only option as far as I'm aware is to shell out $200 for a DualSense Edge.

If for some reason the PS6 controller doesn't have back buttons...that would easily be worse than Nintendo's insistence on omitting analog triggers.

 

[Trilobit]

It'll be direct brain interface, but god knows which company would be brave enough to try that with a console first.

Mothers won't buy little Timmy something he has to plug into his head.

"But, mooom! All my friends have done cranial surgeries! "

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

the opposite is the case. the buttons are placed like this so that your hands are at a relaxed angle

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it looks like your hands need to be so close to each other on those that your pointer fingers would be close to, if not in fact, overlapping. Keeping your hands that close together with pronated wrists is a huge carpal tunnel risk.

 

[Jesb]

There isn't a lot of time. We are probably 2-3 gens away from the death of the hobby.

 

[Soodanim]

I would love to see back buttons become standard, but I worry that if one did it without the other it would be a disaster because of the lack of commitment to new inputs. Arguably we need MS to be on board so that Xinput is expanded.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

another one is going to be full-dive VR

 

[rofif]

No. Controller is what it is

 

[Panajev2001a]

that would easily be worse than Nintendo's insistence on omitting analog triggers.

, no… it would not be worse.
They should add back buttons, but a controller not having analog triggers is definitely worse.

 

[bad guy]

Playdate crank.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

it's a bit insane to me that I can't point at menu items Wii-style on all my devices, it feels pointlessly archaic to toggle through screens (even on a Roku etc, much less a game system) with a directional pad or stick

As far as controllers in the traditional range in general, I greatly prefer the Steam Controller and its touchpad over any dual stick ever made. If only that had become the standard for gamepads, we'd be better off.

 

[Drell]

To me the true new control revolution will be full dive VR if it ever exists one day.

 

[Madserb2023]

I actually think the Wii got pretty close to replacing the conventional controller. For some games, it works better than a normal controller. It was like a hybrid between a mouse and a traditional controller and for games like Pikmin, the combination of an analog stick and mouse like precision was amazing. If Nintendo didn't have ADHD, they could have made a Wii 2 and refined the controller with more advanced motion.

 

[Sharius]

only revolution i want is they add turbo button into controller

this was the best controller i ever use, i don't know why it didn't become normal yet

 

[ThaGuy]

If Nintendo's strategy stays the same, Im sure their next console will be something different but have some similar features of an ordinary controller. I'm sure Sony is gonna enhance their next controller in some way and then there's Microsoft trying to figure out if they want to go handheld, home console, or both so I have no clue what they're going to do. But please at least add gryo to the controller.

 

[GymWolf]

Hopefully not, we have enough bullshit controller gimmicks as it is right now.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Our feet are free I own this & it's actually hard to go back to editing on my computer without it even though I only use it to switch to the next photo or video

That helps with claw grip. \o/

 

[Sooner]

You should seek help for your obsession with me

You should seek help for your obsession with yourself

 

[IAmRei]

it's peaked for me, and i think it won't need more. split joycon is innovative at the time though.

 

[onQ123]

You should seek help for your obsession with yourself

You mention me more than I mention me when I have never had any interaction with you

 

[Hudo]

Mouse =/= Wiimote pointer.

Switch 1 could have pointer controls like the Wii yet almost no one used it??

You talked about pointer controls, which is what the Wiimote pointer is. Or do you mean the motion stuff? Afaik, the Joycons can do that as well.

 

[yurinka]

In VR it's starting to be common to properly track hands/fingers without using a controller, external camera, etc.

I think this will be polished, and the next big change after it (early versions of it are already working in Neuralink's first test implementations) will be to control games directly with your brain.

But at least for a decade or two it will continue to be common/the main input method to use touchpads for mobile gaming, gamepads for console plus in case of PC also keyboard and mouse.

 

[diffusionx]

Blows my mind that this wasn't standardized this gen. Even crazier to think Nintendo finally added them to their pro controller but on PS5 the only option as far as I'm aware is to shell out $200 for a DualSense Edge.

If for some reason the PS6 controller doesn't have back buttons...that would easily be worse than Nintendo's insistence on omitting analog triggers.

We didnt even get a back paddle attachment like we got on PS4 and I don't know why. That thing was cheap and good. I actually preferred it to the back paddle setup on the Xbox elite controller...

 

[AJUMP23]

I don't know what would be updated to improve or revolutionize the controller. We have button input and motion. Motion is essentially dead.

 

[Horseganador]

Since 1997, we've been playing with the same controller that Sony created for the first Playstation for almost 30 years. Ergonomics and other details have been improved, but it's basically the same control. In fact, you could play everything today with that controller without any problems, and I don't think they'll change in the future.

 

[rodrigolfp]

You talked about pointer controls, which is what the Wiimote pointer is. Or do you mean the motion stuff? Afaik, the Joycons can do that as well.

Just the pointer that was by IR.

Curious that on Switch specs says:

• IR Motion Camera

...but where exactly is that and why no one uses it like on Metroid Prime 3?

 

[onQ123]

I don't know what would be updated to improve or revolutionize the controller. We have button input and motion. Motion is essentially dead.

No it's not motion is being used more than ever now but it's an option instead of being the main control input.

 

[onQ123]

Since 1997, we've been playing with the same controller that Sony created for the first Playstation for almost 30 years. Ergonomics and other details have been improved, but it's basically the same control. In fact, you could play everything today with that controller without any problems, and I don't think they'll change in the future.

Not Astro Bot