Do you think Future Consoles and PC gaming will be held back visually since portables are becoming a thing and are less powerful. I get it you can always scale but I'll be honest alot of games visuallly haven't been industry shaking other than GTA 6. Only thing that I see better is the frame rates and a slightly cleaner visual.
Will PC gaming suffer because portable gaming is becoming more popular?
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TintoConCasera
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Aren't they still very, very niche when comparing it's sales to consoles and actual PCs?
That would be a good ending for me. Developers could go back to shorter dev cycles while focusing on fun instead of graphics.
consoul
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No.
PC gaming being held back by portables? No.
Same with high end consoles. Of course there will be games that target multi-platforms with hardware of varying power, but there will also be games exclusively for powerful systems that push as hard as they can and won't be viable on handhelds.
PC gaming being held back by portables? No.
Same with high end consoles. Of course there will be games that target multi-platforms with hardware of varying power, but there will also be games exclusively for powerful systems that push as hard as they can and won't be viable on handhelds.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
The allure of bleeding edge visuals is over with. it's been minor increments for a long time now and now people are getting back to just wanting fun games. You guys are going to have heart attacks when it becomes normal place to see your console games on all mobile devices.
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ShadyAcshuns
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Look at Switch sales. Look at all these PC handhelds, look at the upcoming Xbox handheld. Look at the rumors of PS getting back in. We now have the tech to make dedicated portable gaming devices a reality. Stationary shit like clunky consoles and desktops are dinosaurs at this point for old men.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Until a more powerful "table" console is thing, no.
Unknown?
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This message would be better suited towards the PC gamer.
hououinkyouma00
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Did the Switch hold back console and PC gaming?
The Switch has sold 150 million units and it hasn't really changed much. PC gaming handhelds are niche and primarily secondary products that have sold roughly 7M combined. Since the Steam Deck came out Switch sold over 10x as many.
The answer is no. If the Switch didn't change much then devices that sell as much in their lifetime as PlayStation or Nintendo sell in a single quarter won't change anything.
Portugeezer
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A lot of people are happy with graphics at this point and cry about manditory RT, so probably.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
The new Asus Rog Ally has more Ram than the PS5 PRO.
PS5 PRO holding back gaming.
PS5 PRO holding back gaming.
Topher
Identifies as young
No, because game developers are not mandated to support handhelds.
This again? Michael Pachter said iPad would replace consoles 10+ years ago. How's that worked out? And what does this have to do with the topic?
This again? Michael Pachter said iPad would replace consoles 10+ years ago. How's that worked out? And what does this have to do with the topic?
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What game has been made for exclusively power hardware that cannot be played on pc handled. Sure the frame rates might not be as good but a lot of handhelds can do 30 - 40 fps or more with upscalers and frame gen.
Dr Cowley
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You cant pop an ollie whilst aiming with m/kb.
rm082e
Member
No, I don't.
There's a pretty wide spread of games on PC. Keeping budgets reasonable is probably a greater influence on developers to keep the graphics modest than getting their games to run on handheld PCs. And for the developers who want to target the higher end of graphics hardware, I think they'd rather sell to the many millions of players who have higher end cards and sacrifice a great handheld experience.
Because PC hardware is so flexible, I think we'll just see the spread between low and ultra settings get wider to accommodate the handheld space. But only if that segment of the market keeps growing. If it stalls out at some point, the software ecosystem will respond accordingly.
There's a pretty wide spread of games on PC. Keeping budgets reasonable is probably a greater influence on developers to keep the graphics modest than getting their games to run on handheld PCs. And for the developers who want to target the higher end of graphics hardware, I think they'd rather sell to the many millions of players who have higher end cards and sacrifice a great handheld experience.
Because PC hardware is so flexible, I think we'll just see the spread between low and ultra settings get wider to accommodate the handheld space. But only if that segment of the market keeps growing. If it stalls out at some point, the software ecosystem will respond accordingly.
lughnasadh123
Member
Nah, I really doubt it. PC is the platform for pushing graphics and always will be. This just fulfills a niche of a portable accessory much like the Portal does for PS.
ShadyAcshuns
Gold Member
I don't know with upscalers and frame generation developers are relying on this more and even powerful hardware is not being fully optimized and utilized as it should for PC gaming.
ShadyAcshuns
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Hashassin
Member
What again?
ShadyAcshuns
Gold Member
GriffinCorp
Member
No I don't think so. If anything it might bring more people to PC gaming. Free online gaming, both PS/Xbox games coming to PC now. It's a great time to be a PC gamer.
I love the Steam Deck, it's great to pick up and play for a while but I still wanted to play Doom Dark Ages on my PC. I think the to can coexist.
I love the Steam Deck, it's great to pick up and play for a while but I still wanted to play Doom Dark Ages on my PC. I think the to can coexist.
Have you tried running doom dark ages on the steam deck?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The older GPD Win's suffer extremely with the more heavy recent games. Other newer handheld PC suffer less but still suffer extremely with high resolutions, ultra settings and full Ray Tracing/PT.
yurinka
Member
Nah, developers will continue using PlayStation as their primary device and reference for hardware and horsepower because it's where most of their sales come from.
PC gamers with top tier hardware always have been a tiny, tiny portion of gaming and even of PC gaming. Most PC players have mid or low tier hardware.
So PC handhelds selling a bit more won't hurt or change the PC or gaming. As of now it's a very small nascent market, which I assume over time will grow, specially if Sony releases their own one.
PC gamers with top tier hardware always have been a tiny, tiny portion of gaming and even of PC gaming. Most PC players have mid or low tier hardware.
So PC handhelds selling a bit more won't hurt or change the PC or gaming. As of now it's a very small nascent market, which I assume over time will grow, specially if Sony releases their own one.
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PC games are already being held back because they are mostly console ports. Yet pcgaming reportedly more popular than ever? So on pc, no matter if consoles become handhelds, there will be $2k gpus to let people run their handheld games at higher resolution, get more frames and check the boxes for all the ultra super deluxe settings.
But Sony and MSFT could eventually make handhelds that plug into the tv and stop making the traditional console. Depends on consumer tastes. AS the improvements become less meaningful and more expensive -both hardware and games- consumer habits might change. AS the really high production value games take longer to make then consumer habits might change. Publishers too might hit a wall eventually. AS the machines become bigger and bigger consumers might start balking. AS the machine start becoming hotter, noisier and more expensive just to run...consumer tastes might morph.
Never know what's going to happen. That being said, generations getting longer helps mitigate some of these developments.
But Sony and MSFT could eventually make handhelds that plug into the tv and stop making the traditional console. Depends on consumer tastes. AS the improvements become less meaningful and more expensive -both hardware and games- consumer habits might change. AS the really high production value games take longer to make then consumer habits might change. Publishers too might hit a wall eventually. AS the machines become bigger and bigger consumers might start balking. AS the machine start becoming hotter, noisier and more expensive just to run...consumer tastes might morph.
Never know what's going to happen. That being said, generations getting longer helps mitigate some of these developments.
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Itchy Tickles
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Not in any metric whatsoever. They are not competing in the same space really and a handheld doesn't and can't offer what a PC can do. At most you could say a handheld is a companion device to a PC, but even then, things like Steam Link and GeForceNow are a handy streaming substitutes for the phones and tablets you already own.
Of course if you are travelling that's different, but there are also laptops, albeit bigger and more expensive. Maybe bringing a £500 handheld is easier to risk losing than something 3x its price.
The most obvious thing that could and is hurting the PC space is hardware pricing on components.
Of course if you are travelling that's different, but there are also laptops, albeit bigger and more expensive. Maybe bringing a £500 handheld is easier to risk losing than something 3x its price.
The most obvious thing that could and is hurting the PC space is hardware pricing on components.
GriffinCorp
Member
Not yet. I've played Doom 2016 and I like it, the OLED screen was very nice. I'm honestly I'm new to Steam Deck. Only had one for 4 months.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
everyone has always said it wasn't going happen overnight. and it has been slowly moving that direction though and it is becoming clearer and clearer everyday that it is the direction we are headed.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The top 3 GPUs on the market are the RTX 4060, RTX 3060 and GTX1650.
Are they holding back PC gaming?
For most AAA games max settings using future looking tech should make every GPU sweat even the mighty xx90 of that generation.
Are they holding back PC gaming?
For most AAA games max settings using future looking tech should make every GPU sweat even the mighty xx90 of that generation.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
People have wanted fun games since the dawn of time and it has never changed.
lughnasadh123
Member
It would be a good question of why things aren't being better utilized. I just don't personally think it's due to the handhelds.
Topher
Identifies as young
A few more decades and maybe it will come true
Hector Hall
Member
I haven't seen a exclusive PC game since Crysis that pushed graphics at all, and that's 20 years ago. Console big budget games having a better (slightly, recently) PC version yes, but PC games made from the ground up and pushing graphics? Maybe in 1993 before the 32 bit consoles were out PC had a couple years with SVGA and 486DX2 and 1988 Megadrive and 1990 SNES as rivals.. aside that concrete moment and Crysis, definitely not.
I agree with this. Crysis was the last game to ms that fully utilized the capabilities of pc hardware. There was also that one game immortals of aveum that had high requirements but that game was a complete flop and to me didn't look visually appeasing for the requirements. The only game on PC that looks like it pushes hardware and was impressive to me was bodycam as of recent.
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Guardian Monkey
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GTA 6 looks like a ps5 game with good production values. If GTA6 looks good then I think we will be fine.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You are still seeing consoles getting RT, AI upscaling, and other technical features thanks to PC tech. Plus ultra settings and full RT/path tracing are still PC only.
PlayStaytion
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On console boxes maybe, but handhelds are different.