I know that i tend to be more the reactive player but there is nothing sinister in my way of playing. Burb tried to get me lynched because of that. I hope i wont be under the chopping block again.
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I know that i tend to be more the reactive player but there is nothing sinister in my way of playing. Burb tried to get me lynched because of that. I hope i wont be under the chopping block again.
flatearthpandas
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Burb didn't try that hard to get you lynched. He put an early vote down and then tried to argue why other people were scum.
Vote: nin1000
If he doesn't get lynched, I'll be targeting nin tonight.
Vote: nin1000
If he doesn't get lynched, I'll be targeting nin tonight.
I still dont really get why you want to vote me out. What makes you think that i am indeed scum ?
flatearthpandas
Member
I don't get why voted hobo. I don't get why you thought you a killing role n1. I don't get why scumlord dumped a vote on you early and then spent the rest of his posts arguing why other people were scum. I don't get why you found ty scummy and just happened to be apparently right about your role to kill jail suspect.
I'm currently thinking:
Lynch nin
Stack on squid, Sorian and I take no action.
If squid is scum, we can't be jailers.
If one of us kills, the other heals. We cancel anyway.
If we are both healers/null then I'd rather have less protection on squidy. Perhaps the Jailer is dead and the Quack or cpr gets through.
If we lynch squid then we'd all have to stack on nin, I think.
Lynch nin
Stack on squid, Sorian and I take no action.
If squid is scum, we can't be jailers.
If one of us kills, the other heals. We cancel anyway.
If we are both healers/null then I'd rather have less protection on squidy. Perhaps the Jailer is dead and the Quack or cpr gets through.
If we lynch squid then we'd all have to stack on nin, I think.
Ah I forgot that FEP could well be Jailer, so Sorian would have been jailed last night. I think the above still holds? It's even more likely that I'm not a killer, so I won't be targetting anyone.
I also forgot nin apparently targeting Ty4on, so it's possible scum WAS blocked last night anyway.
I don't know, it's far from waterproof but I still think the above plan is our best course of action?
Hopefully nin is scum and everything else is moot.
I'm also not sure if lynch nin / stack squid is actually better than lynch squid / stack nin...
I also forgot nin apparently targeting Ty4on, so it's possible scum WAS blocked last night anyway.
I don't know, it's far from waterproof but I still think the above plan is our best course of action?
Hopefully nin is scum and everything else is moot.
I'm also not sure if lynch nin / stack squid is actually better than lynch squid / stack nin...
Oh I forgot to post it, but nin's answers were confusing, but nin's a confusing guy, so meh
The more damning thing is Burb's behaviour, which I glossed over too quickly before:
FEP if we lynch nin will you target squid?
The more damning thing is Burb's behaviour, which I glossed over too quickly before:
FEP's right, it's classic scum play.
FEP if we lynch nin will you target squid?
As for Sorian... He's definitely less scummy than squidy, so that's where I'm placing the blame if I'm wrong 
Joking aside, here is everything I have against him:
1. Early gut feels from myself and townie Ty4on
2. Ignored squidy for a little too long. He answered this here:
3. I feel he's been oddly trusting of me. I can see a case against me, and am surprised he hasn't raised it yet. The paranoid part of me thinks we're heading for a repeat of MGS (vote swing to me when a convincing case appears at the 11th hour). He might not have thought of the same thing, but even without that he's been really trusting, maybe just staying on my good side?
1 is meh. 2 is solid but less than I have on squid/nin. 3 is paranoia.
Joking aside, here is everything I have against him:
1. Early gut feels from myself and townie Ty4on
2. Ignored squidy for a little too long. He answered this here:
Which could be true but doesn't really negate my criticism.
3. I feel he's been oddly trusting of me. I can see a case against me, and am surprised he hasn't raised it yet. The paranoid part of me thinks we're heading for a repeat of MGS (vote swing to me when a convincing case appears at the 11th hour). He might not have thought of the same thing, but even without that he's been really trusting, maybe just staying on my good side?
1 is meh. 2 is solid but less than I have on squid/nin. 3 is paranoia.
he gave me scum vibes
I assumed but did not say that i was sure
Well, for that you will have to ask Burb since i dont know why he did that.
I was mostly afraid that he was hiding something with him playing the weird way he did.
My thoughts are that scum got blocked and i killed someone. If lynching me will bring some light onto that so be it. I want Town to win and if Lynching me will bring us closer towards that so be it.
flatearthpandas
Member
If today's lynch target is town, maybe we should all act independently. If we lynch nin and he is town then that means he was either cpr, quack, or naive. That means that either way we have 3 out of four left from cpr, jailor, doc, and weak, all of which can potentially block kills. Our pool of deaths include weak suicide, scum kill, quack, and cpr. Four potential kills, three potential saves among five targets. Two of them are counted in both groups. Weak is more likely to save someone than die, cpr more likely the opposite.
I think the odds of three kills going through are fairly low. Two kills would be preferable to the one we would likely get from the stack imo, makes for a tighter lylo.
Eh, i dunno.
I think the odds of three kills going through are fairly low. Two kills would be preferable to the one we would likely get from the stack imo, makes for a tighter lylo.
Eh, i dunno.
If we stack and there are 2 kills, we've found scum - game over.
Therefore, if we stack on scum they have to consider whether they make a kill or not. 0 kills buys us an extra day which is huge, 2 kills ruins them. They are gambling on which of the weak/Jailer doctors are alive.
If we stack on town, that means our next most likely lynch target is town and we've probably lost anyway.
I would prefer this plan but with squid and nin reversed. I honestly do believe that the game will end with squidy. That said, I don't see why in either direction we pull off from the mega stack, there's no rush, we can just get our no/low kill night and move on with a lynch tomorrow.
flatearthpandas
Member
Okay, I'm down with the stack.
CrimsonFist
Member
Has Nin done anything besides defend himself today?
And Squidy never did answer why he targeted Sorian, unless I missed it.
And Squidy never did answer why he targeted Sorian, unless I missed it.
If we believe nin he can't be weak or he'd've protected Ty4on.
If we believe squid then I have no idea but he probably could be weak? (Not saying it's the most likely but I don't think it can be ruled out).
Lynch nin = weak more likely to be alive = scum might withhold their kill to avoid 2 kills
Lynch squid = weak status is less certain = harder for scum to gamble on, could lead to 2 kills
Not sure which is better.
If we believe squid then I have no idea but he probably could be weak? (Not saying it's the most likely but I don't think it can be ruled out).
Lynch nin = weak more likely to be alive = scum might withhold their kill to avoid 2 kills
Lynch squid = weak status is less certain = harder for scum to gamble on, could lead to 2 kills
Not sure which is better.
Also, to answer Splinter, yes, I am being trusting of you. I always find one person to put my eggs in with early on, if I just distrust everyone then the field is too big to look through, it seemed most obvious that you were town so I pulled you from my list to be added back in later if all of the suspects are gone and scum is still hiding somehow, it's nothing new.
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So who else do we need to know is fine with the stack? Crimson? nin, you should be acting too if you survive today, if you live and are actually town then you should be targeting me if you think I'm scum or.... probably Crimson? if not. Basically, just whoever the next highest scum candidate that isn't you.
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So who else do we need to know is fine with the stack? Crimson? nin, you should be acting too if you survive today, if you live and are actually town then you should be targeting me if you think I'm scum or.... probably Crimson? if not. Basically, just whoever the next highest scum candidate that isn't you.
He did not and I went back to make sure I wasn't missing it in a throwaway post this time.
Walk me through why two kills outs the scum instantly because I'm not seeing how that works but you're treating it like a given.
No, nin shouldn't target anyone. If he's the Quack it leads to a guaranteed mislynch, scum win.
Everyone needs to target nin or squid (whoever isn't lynched). If it's squid then I will take no action, apart from that there is no need to withhold.
If everyone stacks, 2 kills is scum kill + weak doc. Stack target was scum.
I'm assuming the stack target survives but if not that's only good news. Top suspect down and 1 more lynch to go.
flatearthpandas
Member
Two kills means scum attacked at night and weak targeted the scum. Everything else should balance out hopefully
flatearthpandas
Member
My main reservation with stack is that scum basically controls the night if they aren't the target. And controlling the night can easily influence our actions tomorrow, even if there's a no kill night.
Acting on our own volition removes scum agency from us.
If splinter is scum for example, he lets us lynch nin and encourages us to pile squid. Then he abstains from nk, we all think we jailed squid, and ml again tomorrow. Sending us into the next night with 4 and, sure I guess we eventually get a 3 person lylo which is ideal. And zero chance to get unlucky and blow ourselves up.
I don't know why, I just don't like the stack strategy for some reason. Still on board unless we find something better though
Acting on our own volition removes scum agency from us.
If splinter is scum for example, he lets us lynch nin and encourages us to pile squid. Then he abstains from nk, we all think we jailed squid, and ml again tomorrow. Sending us into the next night with 4 and, sure I guess we eventually get a 3 person lylo which is ideal. And zero chance to get unlucky and blow ourselves up.
I don't know why, I just don't like the stack strategy for some reason. Still on board unless we find something better though
So why'd you target me last night? What was the thought process?
The posts where he asks "why not ty over burb?" and then "WHY DO ANY OF THIS" as though he lost the context of his initial question and was just looking for any way to discredit the idea of voting for burbeting.
Why am I quoting this post? Because this post in turn is a response to a post that was almost entirely about voting for burbeting yet sorian avoids mentioning burbeting and instead pushes his mislynch targets forward, he's defending burb here by trying to shift the train of thought in town. He doesn't really want to talk too much about burb he really just wants us looking at other players.
And again, more trying to push things away from burb
All of this from the same guy who today said:
Why did we need to see this post? because you didn't think reading my post as weird was enough to justify your new hardline stance on your scum partner.
I didn't die last night, scum didn't get a kill last night, What's to be gained from switching targets?
This answer only makes sense if you think you might be the Jailer. Do you think yo-
Oh ok then
In order of everything you said:
The issue had nothing to do with Burb or Ty. You were trying to sell an information only lynch when we had actual suspects to follow, not only that, the "information" was pointless which is what I was point out. It didn't matter who you were talking about, I was pointing out your fallacy.
The first sentence of that post is the only thing that I said to FEP in the prior post. He had worded something in such a way that it could have been seen as a scum slip and I highlighted it. I had not given reads in awhile so I used that mostly empty post to put them in.
As far as the next two things go, that's all well and good but I still ended on Burb and I did it at a time where nin could have easily died in his place. You were voting for nin which would have made it a tie and I pushed Burb back over, you then swapped your vote because you knew you were too obvious. Asking about nin's inactivity in the same sentence as saying that Burb has been playing a very meh game doesn't really mean much.
Also:
lol
CrimsonFist
Member
I don't see why Sorian would spend a day defending his scum teammate only to be the deciding factor on their lynch.
I'm pretty sure this is over. In Squidy's position I wouldn't even bother defending myself - that ship has sailed. Sorian has became less of a lynch target throughout the day and changing that would have been town-squidy's priority.
Scum-squidy is too fucked to keep trying, which is what I think we're seeing here.
IF NOT
Everyone on nin tonight pls & ty
2 deaths = lynch nin
0 or 1 = nin v Sorian I think
It could be Crimson, but I doubt it for not much reason.
If it's FEP then gg wp
Scum-squidy is too fucked to keep trying, which is what I think we're seeing here.
IF NOT
Everyone on nin tonight pls & ty
2 deaths = lynch nin
0 or 1 = nin v Sorian I think
It could be Crimson, but I doubt it for not much reason.
If it's FEP then gg wp
i think i might be the jailer. i also think ty might be the jailer and fep might be the jailer. I made a concrete prediction, not a series of probabilities. I think ty has somewhat higher probability of being jailer but is there anything better i can do when i know i am one of
ordinary | naive | jailer ????? (with a small chance of being wrong about sorian and being weak)
what the fuck are you laughing about?
fuck this garbage i'm going to flip town and when i flip town you'd better park your asses on sorian.
Fair
In a Burb+Sorian scum team you think Sorian would do the kill?
Their only consideration is "who is more likely to be targeted (jailed)?" That would quite easily be Sorian.
Rude, I'm hoping I don't have to cross that bridge because if someone is hiding deep, you all are going to assume it's me.
you can say that but you might also think the other way with a little bit of wifom. That sorian is unlikely to be targeted or that submitting the kill might as well be a coin toss.
Just an interesting slip if you are scum.
Take that to the next level and yeah, I could be scum, Burb was targeted twice and maybe jailed which explains N1 (kind of) but it's still too much if someone really thinks I'm partner's with Burb. My intentional bus was missing as was any protection of him when it mattered, what was I doing then? Food for thought if this really does go on after today.
Targetting Sorian N2 made no sense. Frankly I'd be more willing to believe "it's a mini game and I didn't care enough to think about my night action" over your current argument.
I have never gone into a game on neogaf with the thought "I'm unlikely to be targeted"
those were my thoughts when I was in n2 submitting my action.