EvilRedEye
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Moffat did namecheck the Valeyard in The Name of the Doctor. Along with other 'dark' future Doctor names actually. Maybe it's the Beast, whatever that is?
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Doctor Who Series 10 |OT| He's Back, and It's About Time
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat has some sort of head canon or twist on the Valeyard that he would love to make canon.
SlipperyFishes
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The news about Simm was leaked by the tabloids not long before. The BBC just reacted to make it part of their narrative.
Besides. It probably won't be him in the vault.
I still wonder if they'd have the balls to have Simm/Capaldi/Missy to be involved in an explosion, all regenerate and have Kris Marshall, Missy and Rory Kinnear emerge from the debris and all go their separate ways, leading into a Xmas Special where we don't know if its the Doctor or the Post Missy Master we're watching.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
He did not.
I was lukewarm on this episode, but it was still fun. Weakest of the season so far.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
But Susan was left on Earth after a Dalek invasion, couldn't have children with humans and generally was around for a lot longer.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Susan_Foreman
Unless they simply forget all of the previous character development it's hard to see Bill being related.
EvilRedEye
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She couldn't have kids with a human according to the Eighth Doctor novels but could according to the Big Finish Eighth Doctor audios that Moffat essentially canonised in Night of the Doctor.
Yeah but it leaked because they put it in the trailer at the press/early screenings
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's a Time Lord. One way or another.
I think being pretty confident in that is helping me just sorta skate over those tags at the end of the episode as fun fluff as opposed to a serious mystery or whatever. It's like a nice-check in for a payoff I'm pretty sure is coming
And if it doesn't? Hey, cool swerve!
But yeah, I don't see a scenario where whatever's in there isn't a Time Lord of some type.
I think being pretty confident in that is helping me just sorta skate over those tags at the end of the episode as fun fluff as opposed to a serious mystery or whatever. It's like a nice-check in for a payoff I'm pretty sure is coming
And if it doesn't? Hey, cool swerve!
But yeah, I don't see a scenario where whatever's in there isn't a Time Lord of some type.
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Yup.
paradox121
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After watching the binaural version (which is neat) I'm still not sure what I think of the episode. Suchet is superb in a role that could have just been Richard E Grant levels of camp, and, surprise surprise, anything with the Bill and the Doctor is great but it didn't quite flow for me.
I think my problem is that the first half is an alright horror that feels like it needs to be about twice the length to work, and the second half is a nice bit of classic Doctor Who weird parent-child pathos that doesn't slot together with the first.
The prosthetics on Eliza were pretty fantastic though. When she first appeared and gave that dead-eyed smile I shivered.
And I don't think it can really be anyone but the Master/Missy in the vault at this point. The Doctor bringing food to share with them, them eerily playing a piano, them enjoying hearing about people dying.
I think the mystery isn't necessarily who is in the vault so much as why they're in there.
I think my problem is that the first half is an alright horror that feels like it needs to be about twice the length to work, and the second half is a nice bit of classic Doctor Who weird parent-child pathos that doesn't slot together with the first.
The prosthetics on Eliza were pretty fantastic though. When she first appeared and gave that dead-eyed smile I shivered.
And I don't think it can really be anyone but the Master/Missy in the vault at this point. The Doctor bringing food to share with them, them eerily playing a piano, them enjoying hearing about people dying.
Plus Moffat has said we'll found out who's in there within a few episodes, right around when Missy is due to turn back up.
infiniteloop
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what image?
N7Commander95
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Where the image? I can't see anything new
I don't think it is Missy because there is now way the doctor would announce that he is entering and calmly open the door and look with the door opening when he is capturing his great arch nemesis.
I played too much zelda but evolving from knocking to piano makes me think it is kinda of a restoration chamber, just like they use the pandorica to save Amy
I played too much zelda but evolving from knocking to piano makes me think it is kinda of a restoration chamber, just like they use the pandorica to save Amy
Imagine the bullshit level if the Doctor used the Time Lord moment-stealing machine to nab the Master right before he went back to Gallifrey with Rassillon, and the Master's been stuck in the Vault ever since because the Doctor's trying to "rehabilitate" or "save" him. Or something. It would give the mother-son story in Knock Knock a bit of thematic relevance.
It would also be an echo of when The Doctor tried it with Clara. Since all those memories were erased, the concept of doing such a thing has been bouncing around in the Doctor's brain like a dog with a leash but no master. So... the Doctor went and got a new one. Moral of the story: don't erase your own memories, it fucks you up in ways you don't expect.
It would also be an echo of when The Doctor tried it with Clara. Since all those memories were erased, the concept of doing such a thing has been bouncing around in the Doctor's brain like a dog with a leash but no master. So... the Doctor went and got a new one. Moral of the story: don't erase your own memories, it fucks you up in ways you don't expect.
I think it was an oath or promise to himself to stay on Earth to protect the planet and keep whatever's locked up locked up. He can't leave Earth in case the contents escape. I think it was explained in the first episode.
Bobby Roberts
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Going back to my wondering about whether 12 going back to Gallifrey to seal it up in the pocket dimension (as seen in the 50th special) will have something to do with this season. It's a free mindwipe, basically, right? Anything having anything to do with that moment gets forgotten once you move outside that moment. None of the other Doctors know that they did that. So far as I can tell, Clara didn't remember it either, right?
I'm fuzzy about how all that works, but if there's stuff that needs to be forgotten/erased, you could do that pretty cleanly by having whatever you need wiped handled on that specific adventure.
I'm fuzzy about how all that works, but if there's stuff that needs to be forgotten/erased, you could do that pretty cleanly by having whatever you need wiped handled on that specific adventure.
They couldn't leave a loose end like Alex around, it was inevitable from the start of that serial.
Exterminieren
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He was always intended to be in the trailer at the end of The Pilot. That's where the leak cane from.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Just re-watched Knock Knock and paid attention to that last bit this time around. There's actually some good insight as to who's in there.
Nardole mentions they've been restive, meaning bored or dissatisfied. I'm speculating that the Vault is Timelord technology and therefore bigger on the inside. Can't see a normal person ever getting bored inside a TARDIS-like 'prison' other than a Time Lord.
The Doctor says:
"Look, I know you miss it all. But I'm stuck here, too, you know? We're both prisoners."
And after he mentions that he has a story about people being eaten, "Pop Goes The Weasel" is played. That seems like a Missy thing to do in my opinion.
Fake edit: Going back to all Vault mentions so far.
Thin Ice: Nardole brings up the oath again. Nardole seems surprised by the knocking. Mentions "What do you think you know? What has he told you? Because, yeah, he may have a little friend now and, yeah, he may be a little bit distracted but I tell you something, I'm still here, and as long as I'm still here you're going nowhere."
Smile: Nardole mentions the oath, the Doctor isn't supposed to go off world unless it's an emergency. Doctor: "I've got a vault to guard".
The Pilot: Okay, this is a stretch but only just occurred to me. Happens when Bill stumbles upon the Doctor and Nardole at the Vault.
Nardole: So you're tutoring her then?
Doctor: Yes, I am.
N: Why?
D: Why not?
N: You're not supposed to get involved. What are you teaching her anyway?
D: Everything.
N: Well how can you teach anyone everything?
D: Because everything rhymes.
We assume they're talking about Bill here, but potentially they're talking about whoever's in the Vault?
Anyway, later in the episode:
Bill: Why, what's inside it?
Doctor: Something I don't want anyone being too curious about.
Later, when he's about to mind wipe Bill:
Doctor: I have no choice. I'm here for a reason, I'm in disguise. I have promises to keep. No-one can know about me.
...
*Looks at pictures of Susan and River, tells them to shut up*. I can't do that anymore, I promised.
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Anyway, supposedly we'll know soon enough and it won't be stretched out over the course of the series, but fun to speculate nonetheless.
Nardole mentions they've been restive, meaning bored or dissatisfied. I'm speculating that the Vault is Timelord technology and therefore bigger on the inside. Can't see a normal person ever getting bored inside a TARDIS-like 'prison' other than a Time Lord.
The Doctor says:
"Look, I know you miss it all. But I'm stuck here, too, you know? We're both prisoners."
And after he mentions that he has a story about people being eaten, "Pop Goes The Weasel" is played. That seems like a Missy thing to do in my opinion.
Fake edit: Going back to all Vault mentions so far.
Thin Ice: Nardole brings up the oath again. Nardole seems surprised by the knocking. Mentions "What do you think you know? What has he told you? Because, yeah, he may have a little friend now and, yeah, he may be a little bit distracted but I tell you something, I'm still here, and as long as I'm still here you're going nowhere."
Smile: Nardole mentions the oath, the Doctor isn't supposed to go off world unless it's an emergency. Doctor: "I've got a vault to guard".
The Pilot: Okay, this is a stretch but only just occurred to me. Happens when Bill stumbles upon the Doctor and Nardole at the Vault.
Nardole: So you're tutoring her then?
Doctor: Yes, I am.
N: Why?
D: Why not?
N: You're not supposed to get involved. What are you teaching her anyway?
D: Everything.
N: Well how can you teach anyone everything?
D: Because everything rhymes.
We assume they're talking about Bill here, but potentially they're talking about whoever's in the Vault?
Anyway, later in the episode:
Bill: Why, what's inside it?
Doctor: Something I don't want anyone being too curious about.
Later, when he's about to mind wipe Bill:
Doctor: I have no choice. I'm here for a reason, I'm in disguise. I have promises to keep. No-one can know about me.
...
*Looks at pictures of Susan and River, tells them to shut up*. I can't do that anymore, I promised.
______________________________________________________________
Anyway, supposedly we'll know soon enough and it won't be stretched out over the course of the series, but fun to speculate nonetheless.
Hmm...
if that is so then this could in fact be a red herring and that maybe someone else is in the vault. Possible doctor one but many do they sure make it seem like the Master is in there with the teases. I guess I don't know then. Could yet be surprised by the end of all this.
I'd rather it's Clara!
aHebrewMenagerie
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Kinda of me hopes that it's someone new, or maybe the Valeyard, because if it's anyone like The Master, I feel like it's just gonna be really disappointing.
I can't think of any realistic possibilities that wouldn't be disappointing, especially since my gut is telling me that it's missy, which would be really disappointing.
I can't think of any realistic possibilities that wouldn't be disappointing, especially since my gut is telling me that it's missy, which would be really disappointing.
Maybe it's Bill's mom? That would be interesting from a character perspective.
AND she is Susan !
lastplayed
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Colin Baker is in the vault. Not six though, just Colin Baker.
He's still trying to develop his Doctor into a really likeable guy, and he comes stumbling out of a pile of Big Finish audios.
"Make them real, I tell you! Make them canon!"
IdreamofHIME
Member
It's clearly Russel T Davies in there. The shows going full meta.
Excuse me, fellow, I do believe you mean Russel The Davies
Quel dommage, Davros!
acheron_xl
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The new season of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here is something else.
ClivePwned
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In the Vault
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Holy shit, Peter Moore is in there, isn't he?
DeviantBoi
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What was the song that was playing on the piano?
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