JonathanEx
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Green Scar said:
This disc, with Vincent through to Big Bang...
I would argue is the greatest DVD of Who episodes.
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This disc, with Vincent through to Big Bang...
I would argue is the greatest DVD of Who episodes.
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PhoncipleBone said:
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit are my favourite post-Moffat stories by a good stretch. The themes dealt with there feel like worlds apart from the rest of RTD's run. It's as scary and gripping as Moffat's best, IMO. Although it does owe a hell of a lot to Alien, especially the scene in the air vents.
I liked Season 2's Cybermen episode as well, which means it's the only series so far where I liked both non-finale two-parters, ha.
Mama Robotnik
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JonathanEx said:
But its got The Lodger on it.
Subliminal
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JonathanEx said:
AND you get some tom trumps cards to top it off!
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marrec said:
Probably the second worst episode after Love and Monsters but different tastes, etc.
PhoncipleBone
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The Lodger seems to be the most divisive episode of New Who. I for one loved it. It was a nice, fun lil hour. Nothing too serious, but good for a (mostly intentional) laugh.
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Mama Robotnik said:
Rotmeister!
JonathanEx
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Mama Robotnik said:
My girlfriend would argue the "it's got naked Matt Smith" point in it, but I'll stick to... it was a fun, lighthearted episode which balanced the tone of the series well - and it played hilariously off Matt's charactisation really well as someone who is brilliantly bonkers. The love story bit is a bit cheesy but it manages a comedy episode much more successfully than pavement blowjobs.
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I enjoyed The Lodger, but I don't live in the UK where apparently that guy is everywhere. I had no exposure to him, so i enjoyed it quite a bit.
Fixed for science.
BatDan said:
Fixed for science.
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DrForester said:
I can't stand James Corden at all- except in The Lodger, where he actually does put in quite a charming performance as this normal bloke trodden upon by The Doctor. I think Corden is normally a bit of an attention seeker, always determined to be the biggest guy in whatever studio he's in, but The Lodger has him playing the opposite of that, and it works.
And yes- for the most part, he really is everywhere.
King of the Potato People
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I thought Craig and Sophie were really boring characters. As for the best Doctor Who DVD, I'll just choose the whole box set for Season 5. I enjoyed the style of a dark fairytale. Although Season 3 did indeed have several classic episodes: "I am the Master!" as spoken by Sir Derek Jacobi. The most bad ass moment in the whole series.JonathanEx said:
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PhoncipleBone said:
Really? What was dark about those?
They were atmospheric, but I would be really interested in what they made them 'dark'. I could kind of see The Empty Child with the way that kids were affected by war, but I fail to see anything particularly dark about either of the Angel stories.
I will give a lot of credit to Silence in the Library, though. The scene where Donna fails to see her husband and concludes that she must have made him up breaks my heart. But that's one scene.
OMG Aero said:
Ugh, yeah. Moffat's obsession on the Doctor winning with his reputation is already getting extremely old.
BatDan said:
The Hungry Earth two parter was amazing. That and The Big Bang were the highlights of Series 5 for me.
Victory of the Daleks and and Vincent and the Doctor were the low points.
Worthintendo
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I've been reading the Dr Who threads on NeoGaf for as long as I can remember, before I got my account approved and I've always seen people talking about how bad some episodes where and they make me think I must be a really bad person and like crap cause I don't think there is an episode of New Doctor Who I didn't enjoy when I first saw it.
Heck I even enjoyed Fear Her to a degree and that seems to be one of the most despised episodes in New Who. I'll agree it was the best moment of New Who, but I did enjoy it. Same with Love & Monsters, I liked it being a different take on things then what we are used to.
I will admit in hindsight looking back the ending to series 3 does annoy me now, but I swear I didn't mind it at the time.
As for the most recent episode, enjoyed the hell out of it as usual. I do wish it had been a little drawn out more, like an extra 10 mins just to flesh some stuff out, same could of be said for the previous episode I guess. It does give you alot of stuff to digest really quickly. Was left saying what the hell at the ending, really can't wait to see where that leads. And I really want to know whats the deal with the eyepatch lady.
On a side note after I watched the episode I was left wanting more Doctor Who so I got around to watching some Sylvester Mccoy with Remembrance of the Daleks, really enjoyed it, I like Sylvester's take on the Doctor, its a shame he didn't get another year or 2 to go where he wanted to with the role. Also I'm in love with Ace, my god was she amazingly cute.
Out of interest does anyone know what the public reception at the time was to Sylvester taking on the role, I read that part of the Dr Who fandom where against the idea of him being cast, but looking at him in the role he really was perfect for it. Its a shame the series was where it was at the time in the 80's, would of loved to have seen some more well written stories behind him. Def going to have to watch Happiness Patrol next, and can't wait to get to Greatest Show in the Galaxy, I have vague recollections of watching that as a kid just as Doctor Who was ending, apparently its a pretty good ep so looking forward to it muchly.
Heck I even enjoyed Fear Her to a degree and that seems to be one of the most despised episodes in New Who. I'll agree it was the best moment of New Who, but I did enjoy it. Same with Love & Monsters, I liked it being a different take on things then what we are used to.
I will admit in hindsight looking back the ending to series 3 does annoy me now, but I swear I didn't mind it at the time.
As for the most recent episode, enjoyed the hell out of it as usual. I do wish it had been a little drawn out more, like an extra 10 mins just to flesh some stuff out, same could of be said for the previous episode I guess. It does give you alot of stuff to digest really quickly. Was left saying what the hell at the ending, really can't wait to see where that leads. And I really want to know whats the deal with the eyepatch lady.
On a side note after I watched the episode I was left wanting more Doctor Who so I got around to watching some Sylvester Mccoy with Remembrance of the Daleks, really enjoyed it, I like Sylvester's take on the Doctor, its a shame he didn't get another year or 2 to go where he wanted to with the role. Also I'm in love with Ace, my god was she amazingly cute.
Out of interest does anyone know what the public reception at the time was to Sylvester taking on the role, I read that part of the Dr Who fandom where against the idea of him being cast, but looking at him in the role he really was perfect for it. Its a shame the series was where it was at the time in the 80's, would of loved to have seen some more well written stories behind him. Def going to have to watch Happiness Patrol next, and can't wait to get to Greatest Show in the Galaxy, I have vague recollections of watching that as a kid just as Doctor Who was ending, apparently its a pretty good ep so looking forward to it muchly.
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King of the Potato People said:
That got a great chuckle out of me.
I appreciate RTD bring Who back, but he wasn't a good storyteller. His idea of an arc was "Oh, we should put Bad Wolf on the wall somewhere." That'd be fine if they actually played into the episodes, but they served no purpose other than to say, "SEE! We planned all of this!" When in reality there was absolutely zero cohesion at all when it came to that. Nothing as binding as the cracks in reality in series 5 were. Sure, they showed up in some episodes as a breadcrumb, but there was actual payoff that ended up running through it all.
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bengraven said:
Truth. I tried getting into Doctor Who a couple of years ago and turned off Rose halfway through. I had a friend sit down and more or less force me to watch Eleventh Hour, which is what hooked me on the series. I'm starting to go back and re-watch previous episodes.
So far, I've hooked four other people into watching the show by starting them with Eleventh Hour. I really think the way Moffat did that episode is a perfect introduction.
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Furret said:
I'm sure you have at some point.
I love The Hungry Earth, because unlike the vast majority of the rest of Series 5, it actually attempts to be about something and provide commentary. It's also one of the few Series 5 stories that actually has a well-rounded guest cast who are fleshed out as characters. It's hardly perfect, but it's one of the few stories in Moffat's era that actually feels like what Doctor Who is meant to be.
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Teh Hamburglar said:
I wish I could...
infiniteloop
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Furret said:
I lol'd.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
How are you sure about what I've read before? Just look through last season's thread for everyone's ranking of episodes.
Anyway, personally I despised those two episodes. Not only where they a dull, predictable mishmash of every previous Silurian story to date but the mother character was absolutely reprehensible and yet was let off of murder and attempted genocide with no consequences whatsoever.
I don't know how anyone could argue that Meera Syal wasn't objectively the worst guest actor in the season either.
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I thought it was funny how Ace armed herself with a baseball bat and a rocket launcher. The producers desperately tried to make 80s who cool.Worthintendo said:
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DrForester said:I enjoyed The Lodger, but I don't live in the UK where apparently that guy is everywhere. I had no exposure to him, so i enjoyed it quite a bit.
Fixed for science.
I hate that guy I dont find him funny in anyway, all I see him do is "I'm a normal bloke, I like football, I'am fat" I dont see why everyone like him I dont know how he find works.
Slightly confused about something from the last two episodes. Why did Amy shoot the astronaut? Just because she thought it was coming for them and didn't realise that the girl was inside? Or was she aiming at a Silence? They kinda jumped forward to the 3 months later thing unless i missed something?
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neojubei said:
This is the appropriate reaction. :lol I don't think I've seen anyone respond differently to that scene. So exciting.
PhoncipleBone
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KuwabaraTheMan said:
Opinions and all, but I am filing you under "joke character on GAF" after that. Oh, well.
Reading your posts about all of Who, it just feels like you are trying to be contrarian to many on here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but how passionately you defend some horrible stuff on Who and rip apart some of the best stuff (while liking and disliking some correct stuff along the way) makes me think of you as the Armond White of WhoGAF.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
It does seem that your tastes in Who run completely contrary to mine, but thats the best part about Who. In every episode there will be something that someone loves. I, personally, thought The Hungry Earth was the low point of Series 5, and Vincent and The Doctor was the best.
Even though The Hungry Earth wasn't that great to me, I still enjoyed the hell out of it.
Rustymonke
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This. Hungry Earth was the worst thing I watched in a long long time. You seem to thrive on shoddy, ham-fisted and extremely inconsistent, nonsensical "social-commentary" of some sort / any sort. Armond White indeed.Furret said:
As for dark, I thought the orphanage scenes in the latest episode is the scariest DW has been since Empty Child.
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PhoncipleBone said:
I'm not trying to be contrary. I just happen to feel differently to many people on here about Doctor Who, clearly. I love the Doctor Who that gave me Genesis of the Daleks and The Seeds of Doom and The Waters of Mars and Doctor Who and the Silurians, and I just find Vincent and the Doctor to be frustrating. I thought the last 15 minutes of that episode was one of the most obnoxious and self-indulgent things I had ever seen in my life. If that was cut out and the story just ended before all that happened, I think it would have been fine.
wwwoooooooowwwww....I don't even know what to think about that last episode. I loved it. I don't think Moffat can answer all of the questions in this two-parter if he's planning on using the ideas for the season finale. He has to leave some questions open. With that being said, I can understand the frustration with having more questions and answers. Feeling like LOST a little bit there. But I still really enjoyed it. Silents=scary as hell. Amy/Rory=awesome. River=awesome and then very tragic.
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I completely agree with you on this. Looking back on episodes, I've found the annoyances in some and I've started to hate some. But on first viewing, I genuinely like each episode. Maybe I'm a bit too easy to please
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Worthintendo said:
I completely agree with you on this. Looking back on episodes, I've found the annoyances in some and I've started to hate some. But on first viewing, I genuinely like each episode. Maybe I'm a bit too easy to please
KuwabaraTheMan said:
You seem to be all about the larger and deeper meanings of episodes, which I can understand, but Vincent and the Doctor largely dealt with the trouble and despair that depression brings. I thought it was moving how he stills kills himself despite seeing how popular and loved he will be because that's what bouts of depression does to a person. That's a deep meaning and social commentary in my book. I didn't think it was obnoxious or self-indulgent at all.
Ivan A Nguyen
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I think I'm forgetting something, because I don't remember how they explained away the fact that everyone forgot about the season 4 finally. Was it done in a throw away line?
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JonnyBrad said:
Yup
JonathanEx
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Cracks in time. The Doctor asked Amy about aliens and stuff and she forgot.Anslon said:
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TheGorlok said:
Oh, that part is fine. The issue I have is how they take him in the future in the first place, show him the museum exhibit about him, have the dude come over and start talking about how Van Gogh is the greatest person who ever lived (not even artist, person), all while there's this obnoxious pop song playing.
It felt like Richard Curtis was shaking me by the shoulders and screaming "feel something, dammit" into my ear. It was so obviously manipulative and it felt completely out of place. It's all about the execution.
electroshockwave
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Does anyone know what song was playing when the girl regenerated? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVwcTFZHtps
Has it appeared in the series before?
Has it appeared in the series before?
Napoleonthechimp
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Do you think the Silence were trying to use that girl (with her time lord physiology) as a pilot for their tardis? Perhaps they found it and tried to work out a way to use it.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
I'm with you on the Vincent episode. It was more filler than anything. I really don't like the episodes where they meet famous people from the past. (With Nixon now being the exclusion, as he has such a small part, but plays it so well)
electroshockwave said:
It sounds like something from Ten's era, but I'm pretty sure it's a new theme. (Just taking cues from Ten's era)
We'll probably be seeing Ten's TARDIS as well at some point, going from that preview we've gotten, so maybe she'll tie into a past doctor, or maybe she's Rose's kid or something /shrug
JoshuaJSlone said:
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm pretty sure it's not presented as perfect reverse order, though that's how it seems on first viewing. What River actually says is "his firsts are my last," ie the really key major moments (the firsts) along their timelines are set in stone but everything else might fall slightly out of sequence.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
You want to see more maturity from Moffat's run and yet you consider Vincent and the Doctor to be a low point? Baffling.
It gives the impression at first of being a schmaltzy feel good ending where a man who is deeply troubled is told, "Everything will be okay, it will all work out in the end," and yet the reality is that isn't enough. There is no feel good happy ending for him; he still struggles with his own mind and he loses. Nothing will ever change that.
If that isn't dark or a comment on human nature, I'm going to have to assume this is an issue of semantics.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
So when it comes to farting monsters and concrete blow jobs we need to look at the dark and deep meaning and subtext rather than the cartoonish execution but when it comes to Vincent it's all about the music throwing you off. Okay.
Edit: Not trying to be a dick, I just genuinely don't understand. As I said before, though, it must just be a matter of preference for a particular style.
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stupei said:
Where have I actually defended those stories? I specifically said that Aliens in London was let down by poor direction, and I've never tried to defend Love and Monsters from anyone. I fully acknowledge that they're not very good (and I would say Vincent is better than either one), I just also pointed out that they had solid ideas behind them.
The music wasn't even the biggest issue I had with that scene. It's the way it's so emotionally manipulative, complete with some museum employee talking about Van Gogh must have been the greatest human being to ever live. It's over the top and comes across as silly.
I would have preferred a more nuanced look at depression that didn't feel the need to hit us over the top with sentiment. Vincent and the Doctor doesn't fail because of a lack of maturity, it fails because the execution is garbage and it feels the need to scream in my ear what I'm supposed to be feeling.
KuwabaraTheMan said:
I think you're going to have to provide some proof that you're not a joke character.
If a story about a character that commits suicide after being told he's one of the greatest people that ever lived (that isn't silly, it's a basic fact if you're talking about influential artists) isn't nuanced narrative then what is?
What is this thick vein of subtle, nuanced storytelling from the RTD era that has passed so many of us by?
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Is that the equivalent of Superboy Prime punching reality?JonathanEx said:
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Anslon said:
No, because that was DC editors going "WE NEED TO RESET EVERYTHING TO GET NEW READERS" and DC writers farting out some bullshit. The cracks in time were planned from the get-go. They played into the storyline at large. It was just handy that allowed Amy to be reintroduced to aliens and such.
I imagine if the Doctor asked her now, she'd be like 'Oh yeah! I totally remembered the Earth getting stolen."
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