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Doctor Who Series 9 |OT| Let Zygons Be Zygons

Apart from Kill the Moon, Forest of the Shite, and Sleep No More, I've pretty much enjoyed every Capaldi episode.

I look forward to when they announce Paul Higgins as the next companion and complete the circle.

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Vibranium

Banned
I like the design of the new sonic, some people are complaining about the lights as usual but it's fine by me. The finale was pretty messy, but I guess we've moved past Clara now.

Capaldi wants a female companion still apparently, even though I'd like a Rory/Amy style combo (without a relationship) I think they should honour his wishes. Ideally she would be closer to his age, in my opinion early 40's would be cool. Don't do a young 20 something again.
 

Vibranium

Banned
Rigsy would be cool as hell, have another female companion to make Peter happy and we can do the 3 person TARDIS team again.

I hope he wears the red velvet jacket in a ton of episodes, given how awesome it is.
 
Shona from last years xmas special was cool. They should bring her back.

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A bit too goofball-ish for a companion but she was the highlight of that episode. I'd take a episode with her over more Osgood.
 

Quick

Banned
Shona from last years xmas special was cool. They should bring her back.

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A bit too goofball-ish for a companion but she was the highlight of that episode. I'd take a episode with her over more Osgood.

I'm going to predict that the next female companion we get will have an episode where she wears a nightie. It is canon now.

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Mariolee

Member
Shona from last years xmas special was cool. They should bring her back.

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A bit too goofball-ish for a companion but she was the highlight of that episode. I'd take a episode with her over more Osgood.

I actually really didn't like Shona at all. Far too annoying.

To be perfectly honest I really want a male Marty McFly-type companion to Capaldi's Doc Brown thing that he's doing.
 

liquidtmd

Banned
I don't think there is anyone that doubts his skills and talents, especially after Heavent Sent and Hell Bent. The problem has always been the scripts he has been saddled with.

I think that applies to virtually 80% of all actors who have ever played the Doctor

Eccleston - Tenant - Smith - Capaldi - McCoy - McGann - Hartnell et al....all very capable and talented actors, that could all do pathos and humour in equal measure. A measure of a good Doctor is as much making the terrible scripts and plot palatable as it is making the good scipts and plots shine, far more so than any other acting gig
 

thefil

Member
Finished BF's "Time of the Daleks". The most "meh" Eighth Doctor story so far, it hardly deserves comment. It's not notably bad or good.

However, Neverland is certainly getting off to a great start. Lots happened in just the first part (which was super long! Over an hour for just that part, I think?). It's very lore-heavy, which has the potential to turn me off if they keep it up, but right now the appearance of
Time Lords, Romana, Zagreus and RASSILON!?!
has been handled in a way that feels quite justified.

I really like the idea regarding Time Lord society and the Eye of Harmony described in Neverland. Basically, the universe existed in a kind of 4D chaos until Rassilon created the Eye of Harmony which acts as an anchor to nail down one "true" timeline. All the timey-wimeyness and arbitrary rules of time manipulation can be thought of more like technical details of the Eye's service manual and less like inalienable laws of the universe. I find this more believable, and also has rooms for exceptions as the modern Time Lords don't seem to really understand how the Eye works anymore.
 

MrBadger

Member
On the topic of defending the worst episodes, I always feel like I'm in the minority for liking Daleks in Manhattan and Evolution of the Daleks. I thought it was a good look at just why it is that the Daleks always lose. They start to get some self awareness about their position, and Dalek Sec could have saved their species, but eventually the Dalek way of killing anything that's different to them takes over and dooms them to near-extinction again. And I really liked the part at the end when the Doctor confronts Dalek Caan about it.

I think it does a good job at personifying the near-extinct Daleks desperate on survival, but all that stuff's overlooked because of the pig men, the awful American accents and how silly Dalek Sec looks. And about the criticism that Daleks would never merge with humans because it's out of character for them, I just think that's the entire point of the episode and why they eventually lose.
 

Dalek

Member
Doctor Who star Peter Capaldi visits sick teenage fan in hospital . . . in character

Doctor Who star Peter Capaldi arrived to visit a young fan in hospital and declared: "There is a new doctor on the ward - and it's me."

The 57-year-old actor has added to his army of fans after the touching gesture, a video of which has been shared on social media.

According to reports, 14-year-old Daniel missed out on a recent opportunity to attend the Doctor Who festival in London last month.

He was visited earlier in the week by Silk star Frances Barber and - after word spread of his troubles on Twitter courtesy of the hashtag #drwhodaniel - Daniel's screen idol appeared on the ward.

And veteran Scots actor Capaldi was only too happy to entertain his teenage fan by appearing in character.

Video at that link
also, here is the boy meeting Madame Kovarian:

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http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/08/peter...as-the-doctor-to-surprise-a-sick-fan-5552682/
14-year old Daniel loves the show and like many other fans was due to attend the Doctor Who Festival in London last month. Sadly, Daniel’s poor health meant he couldn’t attend.
Daniel suffers from Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) (a genetic condition which affects the connective tissue in the body) and Postural tachycardia syndrome (POTS) (a condition which affects his heart rate).
He is bed bound in a London hospital, and is fed via IV.
Thanks to a wonderful online campaign launched by genre sites and podcasters, Geek Syndicate and Bad Wilf using the hashtag #drwhodaniel, interest spread quickly within the online Doctor Who community.
The simple request was to get a Doctor Who actor (or even THE Doctor) to come and visit Daniel and make this young boy’s Christmas a real treat during a bad time.
Last week, actress Frances Barber, who played Madame Kovarian during Doctor Who Series 6, alongside Matt Smith visited Daniel. And showrunner Steven Moffat also recorded a video message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAu4LHOff1g

Yes, Peter Capaldi, the Twelfth Doctor, stopped by for a visit to meet Daniel, in character, and claiming he was a graduate from Glasgow University, the Time Lord took out his Sonic Shades for authenticity bringing a huge smile to Daniel’s face.

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I like the design of the new sonic, some people are complaining about the lights as usual but it's fine by me. The finale was pretty messy, but I guess we've moved past Clara now.

Capaldi wants a female companion still apparently, even though I'd like a Rory/Amy style combo (without a relationship) I think they should honour his wishes. Ideally she would be closer to his age, in my opinion early 40's would be cool. Don't do a young 20 something again.

If Big Finish have proven one thing it's that an older companion can work.
 
I have a confession..


... I don't totally hate Fear me....

I didn't even realise I was supposed to hate it. Is it the low budget and thin plot?

I think there are probably people who love the episodes I dislike. This is a well founded belief.

It really isn't the quality of the writing. Maybe it's the quality of the discussion.
 
I think it does a good job at personifying the near-extinct Daleks desperate on survival, but all that stuff's overlooked because of the pig men, the awful American accents and how silly Dalek Sec looks.

It hasn't aged very well. The Art Deco dalek style still works well and the Hooverville sequences invoke the socialist idealism of Tom Joad while in the city the daleks exploit a more familiar, more sinister brand of American ideal. A nod to Busby Berkeley dance and the odd location shot go a long way, but the makeup is a let down.

Oddly the cat makeup and the CGI of Gridlock, the previous episode, work very well. SF drama conventions are easier than historical drama.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Just caught up with it. Fantastic episode. First half was good, but once he gets Clara it just becomes almost this fantastic two hander - just the two of them and it was so nicely written and acted (and paced)

Also had me on a bit of an emotional roller coaster. Initially thinking 'oh no, he's retconning Clara's death, what a cop out'. Then it was 'oh it's a goodbye scene and she'll die again, could be ok'. Then 'oh he's going to Donna her? Odd to do the same thing twice'. Then 'oh you clever boy'. Love the idea that she got to remember. Also helped by how with the diner setup and how their dialog is phrased you're assuming the Doctor knows, and Clara is the one that doesn't, and he's just coming by for a last goodbye.

Also liked the idea that the hybrid was the two of them, and the insinuation (if I understood correctly) that Missy was at least partly to blame by getting them together?

Great end to a strong series.
 

tomtom94

Member
On the topic of defending the worst episodes, I always feel like I'm in the minority for liking Daleks in Manhattan and Evolution of the Daleks. I thought it was a good look at just why it is that the Daleks always lose. They start to get some self awareness about their position, and Dalek Sec could have saved their species, but eventually the Dalek way of killing anything that's different to them takes over and dooms them to near-extinction again. And I really liked the part at the end when the Doctor confronts Dalek Caan about it.

I think it does a good job at personifying the near-extinct Daleks desperate on survival, but all that stuff's overlooked because of the pig men, the awful American accents and how silly Dalek Sec looks. And about the criticism that Daleks would never merge with humans because it's out of character for them, I just think that's the entire point of the episode and why they eventually lose.

I was kind of a fan of this one as well. It helps that the human Dalek thing ties into the overall thematic arc of series 3 (which, incidentally, is also something I like about series 9), though I understand why people dislike it, especially some of the make-up.

Fear Her, on the other hand... rewatched that one recently and mother of god it's the cheesiest episode of all time. And it doesn't hide its low budget as well as I remembered.
 
On the topic of defending the worst episodes, I always feel like I'm in the minority for liking Daleks in Manhattan and Evolution of the Daleks. I thought it was a good look at just why it is that the Daleks always lose. They start to get some self awareness about their position, and Dalek Sec could have saved their species, but eventually the Dalek way of killing anything that's different to them takes over and dooms them to near-extinction again. And I really liked the part at the end when the Doctor confronts Dalek Caan about it.

I think it does a good job at personifying the near-extinct Daleks desperate on survival, but all that stuff's overlooked because of the pig men, the awful American accents and how silly Dalek Sec looks. And about the criticism that Daleks would never merge with humans because it's out of character for them, I just think that's the entire point of the episode and why they eventually lose.

I'm a great fan of these two, to be honest. The pig men are shit and unnecessary and the guest starts are poor, but it's the most interesting Dalek episode of the new series thematically, and actually one of the richest and most developmental for them as a species in the entire history of the show. The scenes where Thay and Jast are down in the sewers, huddling together as they begin to plot to turn on Sec and the ensuing internal conflict are genuinely brilliant.

One wonders how this episode would've turned out if RTD hadn't been mega sick at this point during Series 3 production and not doing his usual level of rewriting, or how the episode would've turned out if Moffat had stuck with it -- he was meant to do these two, but backed out at the last minute and took Blink instead, because he was doing Jekyll and realized he wouldn't have time to do a two-parter - even Blink came in mega hot/late, and went straight from second draft to filming, which is basically unheard of on this show.
 

GSR

Member
Overall thoughts on Series 9:

Magician/Witch: I've never been a huge Dalek fan, so the basis of these eps didn't do a ton for me. It also feels like it's filling time with random crisis fairly often (Clara in the Dalek felt a bit contrived). That said, Capaldi, Gomez, and Bleach knock it out of the park (and Coleman does what she can with the material.)

Lake/Flood: I both acknowledge that these were bog-standard Who stories and love them unapologetically. I'm a sucker for base-under-siege monster stories and fun with time travel, so these scratched that itch pretty much as well as they could.

Girl/Woman: On the whole I wasn't super-invested in The Girl who Died, but the humor and the explanation for Twelve's face make up for that. (The face explanation in particular I really do love; it's a fantastic character moment for the Doctor, and its connection to the greater arc being just the thematic irony that breaking the rules and 'saving one person' leads to him losing Clara down the road, rather than being some huge plot revelation, is a relief.) The Woman who Lived was pretty much an excuse to get Peter Capaldi and Maisie Williams bantering back and forth for fifty minutes, and you know what? I'll take that, shoehorned villain aside.

Invasion/Inversion: A pretty low point for the series. While I enjoyed Osgood getting her character developed, and I'll never say no to Kate Stewart (seriously, she's about as good a new series UNIT standby as you could hope for), the majority of the eps are just a not-particularly-interesting invasion story which thinks it's making a deeper point than it is. That said, the climax of the second episode is really something - the idea of war being reduced to two boxes, and Twelve's speech, are so well executed that they almost redeem the rest of the episodes. Props also to Coleman for selling Bonnie as a separate character so well.

Sleep No More: Swing and a miss. Potentially could have been cool, but nothing about the execution landed. Monsters that felt like the bottom of the barrel in "what if ORDINARY THING that you DON'T NOTICE is actually EVIL", secondary characters were half-baked at best, plot was just muddled. I actually don't mind the final twist/ending without the Doctor figuring everything out, but nothing in the ep really earns that.

Face the Raven: A solid ep with a long-overdue return to giving Clara actual character to work with. Agreed with the sentiment that it felt like it should have come right after series 8, and it had to do some straining to remind us of Clara's arc back then. But Coleman and Capaldi absolutely nailed the goodbye, and seeing Ashildr and Rigsy again was fun.

Heaven Sent: Fantastic. A gorgeous setting, superb directing, a great script and plot concept, and of course Capaldi firing on all cylinders. It feels a little out of place in a finale, but I'm certainly not about to ask that we take it away.

Hell Bent: Occasionally rough but ultimately worth it. It was actually pretty well done how they misdirected with Clara in the diner (is she a fragment? Is she amnesiac?), and again Coleman and Capaldi are at the top of their game. The actual business of Gallifrey was fairly throwaway (Saturday Morning Rassilon was particularly odd), but that felt more like them laying the groundwork for future appearances. That said, they could have done more to show why Clara being removed from her timestream was catastrophic; instead they just relied on everyone going on about how terrible it was and how the Doctor was breaking his rules. And let's be real: "if we fly far away enough from Gallifrey, you'll be alive again" is weak reasoning that, even if we're meant to assume the Doctor was knowingly deluding himself, doesn't really make any intuitive sense. But the final stretch ultimately fell back on what this series did best: get Capaldi, Coleman, and Williams talking and get out of the way.

Overall: A bit of an uneven season. I think the two-parter format hurt more than it helped, and the feeling I get for most of the episodes is "there's a few great moments here but not enough that I'd want to rewatch the whole episode." And it seemed like the cast was doing a lot more heavy lifting than usual - and while I loved seeing everyone step up to the challenge, I wish the rest of the show would step up with them. (The arc of the hybrid/confession dial was particularly muddy.)

And Clara. Clara, Clara, Clara. It hurt to see her go; her total tenure clocked in at just under three years straight, which means she's been a contiguous New Who companion longer than anyone else. I also get the feeling that, unless Capaldi sticks along for a good while longer than anyone anticipates, she's going to be the 'definitive' companion of his era. (And speaking personally, the end of 2012/start of 2013 was an impactful time in my life, so I guess I'm a little more nostalgic than most about her introduction.)

But they really had no idea what to do with her until the last three eps, huh? It's frustrating, because her series 8 arc was legitimately well-done, and Coleman's performance has just gotten better and better with time.

Capaldi meanwhile acted the hell out of what he had, but there were oddities here and there with Twelve's characterization this go-around. (I agree with the sentiment that he occasionally slipped towards being Eleven-light at times.)

Still, my ultimate response is: onwards and upwards. Hopefully after what looks like one more "let the actors handle it" at Christmas, series 10 will refocus the writing with a fresh companion.
 

thefil

Member
Finished "Neverland", the penultimate drama of Eight's first series on BF. I thought the first part was splendid and I enjoyed the lore dump more than usual. However, the conclusion was very Moffat-y, in that a large reveal is made (
Rassilon
) and then the rest of the episode undermines it with a very perfunctory "actually, it was a simple evil plot all a long" and some threatening time physics mumbo-jumbo. I'm glad it resolved Charley's state in the universe, as the mystery of it has been getting a bit long in the tooth for me.

Well into Zagreus (with my new longer commute to work, I'm burning through these like crazy). I like it because I always like episodes that are silly excuses to put a bunch of stuff into a box and shake it. In this case: 5-8th Doctors, Brigadier, tons of time travel, and Alice in Wonderland. Don't think this one can disappoint me because it's so nonsense.

The habit of this series has really been excellent first halves with second parts that can't quite deliver.
 
I've been thinking, and I'm amazed I'm about to say this, but...

I hope River stays at the end of Christmas.

We've got this big long air time gap coming, and it'll be a perfect slot for a bunch of 12/River Big Finish stories down the line, but also I think the three-hander opening stories worked incredibly well this time, and she could be the Missy of next year's Premiere, playing matchmaker between the Doctor and the new girl before leaving the TARDIS again. It'd be good; and I think finding him a new sidekick would be exactly what River would be inclined to do.
 
I've been thinking, and I'm amazed I'm about to say this, but...

I hope River stays at the end of Christmas.

We've got this big long air time gap coming, and it'll be a perfect slot for a bunch of 12/River Big Finish stories down the line, but also I think the three-hander opening stories worked incredibly well this time, and she could be the Missy of next year's Premiere, playing matchmaker between the Doctor and the new girl before leaving the TARDIS again. It'd be good; and I think finding him a new sidekick would be exactly what River would be inclined to do.

She still can't be with The Doctor for extended periods of time. Especially nearing the end of her timeline.

Reckon this might be the one that ends with him handing over the Screwdriver. Especially if this is Moffat's last.
 
She still can't be with The Doctor for extended periods of time. Especially nearing the end of her timeline.

Reckon this might be the one that ends with him handing over the Screwdriver. Especially if this is Moffat's last.

Isn't there a DVD scene where one 11 is going on like, a first proper date with her, and he passes another 11 who's getting ready for the last time, so presumably the screwdriver then? Or something.
 
Hi guys, not sure if this is the best place to ask this or not. I'm only on Season 6 of Doctor Who atm, so I won't be reading any posts in this thread except for ones that quote me.

I kind of want to watch just a couple of classic Doctor Who episodes, to see what it's like. Any good pics?

Ideally, I think it would be cool to see something that ties into the new series in some way. I'm also very bothered by bad special effects (season 1 and 2 in the new series bothered me greatly for this reason), so it would be better to see a storyline that uses less effects in the first place.
 
Hi guys, not sure if this is the best place to ask this or not. I'm only on Season 6 of Doctor Who atm, so I won't be reading any posts in this thread except for ones that quote me.

I kind of want to watch just a couple of class Doctor Who episodes, to see what it's like. Any good pics?

Ideally, I think it would be cool to see something that ties into the new series in some way. I'm also very bothered by bad special effects (season 1 and 2 in the new series bothered me greatly for this reason), so it would be better to see a storyline that uses less effects in the first place.

You aint gonna like it then, though it depends if you include tiny crappy sets as bad special effects.
Where are you in the world? would be good to know what streaming services are available to you.

Genesis of the Daleks or The Caves of Androzani might be good ones for you.
 

Vibranium

Banned

Ganhyun

Member
watched the finale.

Felt like a good episode, but I felt they pushed Clara's not dying too much.

The regeneration is another sign of a female Doctor coming at some point.

Personally, I think they should hold off on that for a few years and have the Doctor regenerate into Clara's face once Jenna Coleman is available again. She has the ability to do the Doctor's witty speeches and such.

Not sure how I feel about River being back.
 
Finished "Neverland", the penultimate drama of Eight's first series on BF. I thought the first part was splendid and I enjoyed the lore dump more than usual. However, the conclusion was very Moffat-y, in that a large reveal is made (
Rassilon
) and then the rest of the episode undermines it with a very perfunctory "actually, it was a simple evil plot all a long" and some threatening time physics mumbo-jumbo. I'm glad it resolved Charley's state in the universe, as the mystery of it has been getting a bit long in the tooth for me.

Well into Zagreus (with my new longer commute to work, I'm burning through these like crazy). I like it because I always like episodes that are silly excuses to put a bunch of stuff into a box and shake it. In this case: 5-8th Doctors, Brigadier, tons of time travel, and Alice in Wonderland. Don't think this one can disappoint me because it's so nonsense.

The habit of this series has really been excellent first halves with second parts that can't quite deliver.

At least you didn't have the 18 month wait (or whatever it was at the time) between Neverland and Zagreus.
 
Hi guys, not sure if this is the best place to ask this or not. I'm only on Season 6 of Doctor Who atm, so I won't be reading any posts in this thread except for ones that quote me.

I kind of want to watch just a couple of class Doctor Who episodes, to see what it's like. Any good pics?

Ideally, I think it would be cool to see something that ties into the new series in some way. I'm also very bothered by bad special effects (season 1 and 2 in the new series bothered me greatly for this reason), so it would be better to see a storyline that uses less effects in the first place.

If you're talking about the classic series specifically, I think City of Death is pretty much made for this. It has some of the naff old effects, but it's mostly real locations rather than sets (whereas the rest of old Who is 90% shit tiny sound stage sets) and in that regard resembles new Doctor Who greatly. Also feat. very snappy writing by one Douglas Adams.


She still can't be with The Doctor for extended periods of time. Especially nearing the end of her timeline.

Reckon this might be the one that ends with him handing over the Screwdriver. Especially if this is Moffat's last.

We've seen the final trip as detailed by her to Tennant's Doctor; it's on the Series 6 DVDs as an extra mini episode and it's the Eleventh Doctor who shows up with a new haircut and a suit and all that. We're never going to see the screwdriver moment because it's already out there in the lore. We never see the actual moment because it's a mini episode just set in the TARDIS, but we see the component parts: a reference to the haircut, him in a new suit, mentioning the place River described them visiting by name and in detail, and then after River dashes out of the TARDIS, the Doctor almost crying as he goes to follow her - so, we've seen it. From the Doctor's perspective this takes place well before even he loses Amy and Rory.

Moffat has said Christmas this year takes place pretty much immediately after The Angels Take Manhattan for River, and that's there's some symmetry for her in that she goes from seeing the Eleventh Doctor in a post-companion slump to meeting the twelfth in a post-companion slump. We know bugger all about River's timeline in real terms, and we have no idea how much time there actually is between whatever he final pre-Library appearance in the show ends up being (as of December 25th, her last appearance will be that episode, discounting the DVD episode for a sec) so really there's scope for as much as people want. There's no actual stated in-universe reason that can't be broken (just 'one psychopath per TARDIS') that she couldn't stay for a bit; mainly it's down to Alex Kingston's schedule and all that. All I'm saying is they should sign her up for one or two next year, have her stay at the end of this, then write her out again at the start of the next series once the companion arrives.
 
reading the script of Heaven Sent, and that last line "...is Me." does have Me capitalized, so I'm assuming that was supposed to be Ashildr as far as the doctor was concerned (which the finale of course presented, but in the episode it could either one).

Also nice to see how you write a montage sequence. Didn't know that one yet.
(I don't do screenwriting or anything, but I like to see how that works, particularly as a 'style' of writing if you will. Obviously a novel would have to present that very differently.)
 
Where are you in the world? would be good to know what streaming services are available to you.

Genesis of the Daleks or The Caves of Androzani might be good ones for you.
United States, but I have a VPN, so I'm fairly confident I can find whatever I want.

If you're talking about the classic series specifically, I think City of Death is pretty much made for this. It has some of the naff old effects, but it's mostly real locations rather than sets (whereas the rest of old Who is 90% shit tiny sound stage sets) and in that regard resembles new Doctor Who greatly. Also feat. very snappy writing by one Douglas Adams.

Thank you! I'll give that a watch when I get a chance.
 

Vibranium

Banned
If you're talking about the classic series specifically, I think City of Death is pretty much made for this. It has some of the naff old effects, but it's mostly real locations rather than sets (whereas the rest of old Who is 90% shit tiny sound stage sets) and in that regard resembles new Doctor Who greatly. Also feat. very snappy writing by one Douglas Adams.

Yeah, City of Death does keep the cheap effects to a fairly low minimum, they're still there of course, but it is well designed and the location shooting paid off immensely. It's no surprise it's one of Moffat's favourite stories.
 
I liked Hell Bent, forget y'all. :p

I found it enjoyable the whole way through and liked the "twist." The ending that Clara and Ashildr get is probably the most positive thing to happen to a companion since Rose and I dug it.

Spin em off in audio, I say.
 

Dalek

Member
I got caught up finally. I think that Heaven Sent may be my favorite episode of all time-I was completely blown away. It gives me chills to think about and that montage at the end was awe-inspriing.

Hell Bent was a mixed bag for me. I do like how Clara cheated death, essentially, and the mechanics involved with that. However, I think this whole "Hybrid" nonsense really went nowhere and made zero sense. They have to erase their memories...because of reasons. It really made no sense at all. So like typical Doctor Who it's the good with the bad for me.

Hell Bent had a few good moments, like the Doctor eating his soup. Drawing a line in the sand, shooting the military officer knowing he would regenerate. The Matrix seemed like a cool idea, but again makes little sense. Why would the Time Lords ever put something that dangerous in their own city?

I liked Hell Bent, forget y'all. :p

I found it enjoyable the whole way through and liked the "twist." The ending that Clara and Ashildr get is probably the most positive thing to happen to a companion since Rose and I dug it.

Spin em off in audio, I say.

I do really like what happened with Clara and Ashildr. That was nice to see and it was cool seeing another TARDIS!
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
The Matrix seemed like a cool idea, but again makes little sense. Why would the Time Lords ever put something that dangerous in their own city?

The Matrix is a long-established piece of Who lore, going back to the Fourth Doctor.

As for why?

The Time Lords are assholes who are really smart, but who think they're even smarter than they actually are. That's why.
 
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