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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Yeah the sexual tension is what bothers me the most. Its annoying when every companion pines for the Doctor.

At least the modern doctors are somewhat young, decent looking dudes. It would be really weird if they still cast middle-aged schlubs in the role. Can you imagine Amy getting all kissy-gropy over McCoy or Hartnell?
 

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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Yeah the sexual tension is what bothers me the most. Its annoying when every companion pines for the Doctor.

I dunno, it kind of makes sense, provided the gender match is appropriate to the individual's sexual orientation. The Doctor is basically a perfect guy; impeccable sound judgment, kind, caring, protective, a hero, respectful of others, great sense of humour, always doing something interesting, never really snaps, no financial concerns... and the companions are invariably picked because they need something more out of the life that they have... something that he gives to them. And so far at least, they've all been pretty handsome dudes in their own kind of distinction looking ways... I mean, not hunks or anything, but certainly not blobs or slobs.

I mean, you know how people go to like... conferences or summer camps and get a crush on someone because there's an instant personality connection? And it doesn't really mean anything for real life because who knows how they deal with stress or other people or finances or chores or... Well life with the Doctor is basically the summer camp.

I mean, why did Wendy fall for Peter Pan? The great fairy-tale romances always work like this.
 
Besides, Moffat gave a pretty good reason for Amy to be obsessed with the Doctor, and then he even had an entire episode where she needed to confront her feelings.
 
I've actually been pleasantly surprised about how relatively spoiler-free this episode has remained, particularly compared to ones like The Impossible Astronaut. People have taken Moffat's requests to heart, by and large.

Certainly, the Gallifrey Base spoiler section is driving itself absolutely daft.
 

GDGF

Soothsayer
You mean the start of season 7 is going to be the first episode you watch?

You're probably going to be pretty lost.

I know :)

Plan on catching up via Netflix or whatever once I get the chance.

Also they showed a pretty sweet primer on BBC last night!
 
I've actually been pleasantly surprised about how relatively spoiler-free this episode has remained, particularly compared to ones like The Impossible Astronaut. People have taken Moffat's requests to heart, by and large.

Certainly, the Gallifrey Base spoiler section is driving itself absolutely daft.

With good reason.
 
With good reason.

One chap on GB has become utterly convinced that there is a conspiracy to stop the spoilers from leaking, replete with threats and coercion from a few to stop the majority who desperately want to tell the world.

Amusingly, I am part of this conspiracy, despite not having seen the episode or having any personal spoiler information.
 
One chap on GB has become utterly convinced that there is a conspiracy to stop the spoilers from leaking, replete with threats and coercion from a few to stop the majority who desperately want to tell the world.

Amusingly, I am part of this conspiracy, despite not having seen the episode or having any personal spoiler information.

There are the NDAs but I don't consider those threats. They are pretty much standard issue for any sort of screening like this. Nope. It's a code of silence amongst who fans who trust in Moffat's vision. His video plea was really convincing. He almost seemed desperate to keep WHO fans from spoiling this episode.
 
I've caught a whiff of things just based on suggestions I've made/seen made and peoples reactions. Not really engaging with spoilers atm, their fun when nothing is airing, but not a week before the return of the Ponds and the beginning of the end.

[The Doctor is technically a member of the Ponds atm]

I do hate people who directly ignore things their told, just so they can giggle their the first person to pass on the information. They get to see the episode first and then slap the production team in the face. Its not exactly the location spotters, these are people who've been directly asked NOT to say anything.


Anyway DoctorWho, did they show a trailer for the rest of the series after the episode? I heard they did in the UK one, kind of 'every episode' one by one.
 
I've caught a whiff of things just based on suggestions I've made/seen made and peoples reactions. Not really engaging with spoilers atm, their fun when nothing is airing, but not a week before the return of the Ponds and the beginning of the end.

[The Doctor is technically a member of the Ponds atm]

I do hate people who directly ignore things their told, just so they can giggle their the first person to pass on the information. They get to see the episode first and then slap the production team in the face. Its not exactly the location spotters, these are people who've been directly asked NOT to say anything.


Anyway DoctorWho, did they show a trailer for the rest of the series after the episode? I heard they did in the UK one, kind of 'every episode' one by one.

Yeah, they showed a NEXT TIME trailer at the end of the episode plus a trailer for the next four episodes. They all look great except for (episode 4 title)
The Power of Three
but I still don't know much about that one.
 
I was reading the DW Tumblr, and someone reblogged a post with this message attached:

I miss my cult. Watching Doctor Who no longer means you’re a weird, anti-social fanatic. You can’t meet a Doctor Who fan anymore and assume you have anything else in common with them. As pretty and shiny as New Who is, I feel like it’s slipping further and further from its roots and becoming this glossy, commercialized, Twilight-y thing. I met someone with a Matt Smith poster hanging next to an Edward Cullen poster. This was previously an impossibility and now it’s *everywhere*.

I’m going to go watch some 4th Doctor and eat ice cream and cry.

Does anyone else feel this way?
 

Gregorn

Member
I know :)

Plan on catching up via Netflix or whatever once I get the chance.

Also they showed a pretty sweet primer on BBC last night!

Don't bother catching up from the very start, just watch season 5 since it's an introduction to all of the current characters and the 11th Doctor.
 
Hell no. It just means that they've gotten better at selling the show. The show is definitely more sell-able now, too, but I say that's simply because of better production values.

Also, well, it's a better show now.
 
I was reading the DW Tumblr, and someone reblogged a post with this message attached:



Does anyone else feel this way?

I could mayyyybe get that if you were a massive fan in the hiatus years, or a fan from outside the UK who struggled to find episodes on vhs or something, but Doctor Who has always been massive in the UK. Not a cult show in the slightest. So it comes across as very hipstery.
 
Personally speaking, I think it's a good thing that something as thoughtful and measured as Doctor Who can be a Twilight-style icon. Speaks well of people.

Let's face it, people don't hang up Matt Smith posters for his rugged good looks.

How much of the production crew left during the move to Moffat/Matt's era? Series 5/6 actually look much better shot than RTD's and with a smaller budget, too!

A lot of the writing staff is shared, and Series 5 was half produced by the same producer as the end of the Tennant years, but the directing and photography staff was totally different, and, obviously, the executive producer line-up changed (and is still changing; Caro Skinner began with The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe).

Other elements, such as the music and the VFX, have continued to be done by the same staff.

I think it's largely down to the emphasis of the executives changing; whereas RTD went for comic book colours and visual themes, Moffat tends to go more for gothic richness, meaning more ornate sets and less primary colours.

Also, Michael Pickwoad, the current production designer, is a godlike genius. One of the best creatives ever to work on the show.
 

ThatObviousUser

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Hell no. It just means that they've gotten better at selling the show. The show is definitely more sell-able now, too, but I say that's simply because of better production values.

Also, well, it's a better show now.

Yup.
 
Hell no. It just means that they've gotten better at selling the show. The show is definitely more sell-able now, too, but I say that's simply because of better production values.

Also, well, it's a better show now.

Yeah. I mean, I love old Who a hell of a lot, but New Who is unreservedly better in quite a few ways.

I'd rather have the show be a big mainstream success than be some dusty old novelty, remembered for jokes about wobbly sets and plungers and absolutely nothing else.
 
I don't like her insinuating that it's somehow a bad thing that the show's becoming popular in America. I really hate that thinking about anything.

The show has only ever really been a "cult" in the US. In the UK, it's massive.
 

CleverGirl

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I dunno, it kind of makes sense, provided the gender match is appropriate to the individual's sexual orientation. The Doctor is basically a perfect guy; impeccable sound judgment, kind, caring, protective, a hero, respectful of others, great sense of humour, always doing something interesting, never really snaps, no financial concerns... and the companions are invariably picked because they need something more out of the life that they have... something that he gives to them. And so far at least, they've all been pretty handsome dudes in their own kind of distinction looking ways... I mean, not hunks or anything, but certainly not blobs or slobs.

I mean, you know how people go to like... conferences or summer camps and get a crush on someone because there's an instant personality connection? And it doesn't really mean anything for real life because who knows how they deal with stress or other people or finances or chores or... Well life with the Doctor is basically the summer camp.

I mean, why did Wendy fall for Peter Pan? The great fairy-tale romances always work like this.

I get why a companion would go for the Doctor. The new ones have been dreamy, and I know what its like to have a crush on a teacher. This is basically how I think of the Doctor. It just feels stale to have practically every companion get the same crush. Even after Amy decided on Rory, she still flirts with the Doctor. So much so that Rory is insecure about her love.
 

gabbo

Member
I dunno, it kind of makes sense, provided the gender match is appropriate to the individual's sexual orientation. The Doctor is basically a perfect guy; impeccable sound judgment, kind, caring, protective, a hero, respectful of others, great sense of humour, always doing something interesting, never really snaps, no financial concerns... and the companions are invariably picked because they need something more out of the life that they have... something that he gives to them. And so far at least, they've all been pretty handsome dudes in their own kind of distinction looking ways... I mean, not hunks or anything, but certainly not blobs or slobs.

I mean, you know how people go to like... conferences or summer camps and get a crush on someone because there's an instant personality connection? And it doesn't really mean anything for real life because who knows how they deal with stress or other people or finances or chores or... Well life with the Doctor is basically the summer camp.

I've always liked that the Doctor can be all of these things, but at the drop of a hat be anything but those things. It's kind of why I want the 12th or 13th Doctors to be older, not Hartnell or Pertwee old, but middle aged, just to see a more varied display in how he (or she, Gods willing) interacts with companions.


I was reading the DW Tumblr, and someone reblogged a post with this message attached:

Does anyone else feel this way?
Aside from having much better production values and less serialized plots, it's not all that different. Still a guy in a suit frolicking around an England with a disproportionate number of alien encounters/explosions. He just happens to a guy in his late 20's now and not your grandpa.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I've always liked that the Doctor can be all of these things, but at the drop of a hat be anything but those things. It's kind of why I want the 12th or 13th Doctors to be older, not Hartnell or Pertwee old, but middle aged, just to see a more varied display in how he (or she, Gods willing) interacts with companions.

I definitely would like an older Doctor for 12. And I actually wouldn't mind someone in his 60s or 70s

Personally speaking, I think it's a good thing that something as thoughtful and measured as Doctor Who can be a Twilight-style icon. Speaks well of people.
That...is not how I would describe his character. At all. None of the new-Who Doctors have been that way really, based on what I've seen I'd probably only describe 1 and 4 that way (although I've never seen anything of 2 or 3)
 
I definitely would like an older Doctor for 12. And I actually wouldn't mind someone in his 60s or 70s

Hartnell was 56 when the show started, and he couldn't keep up with it for long. I can't imagine an actor in their 60s or 70s would be able to work in the show. Too long a filming schedule, and too much action required.
 

EuroMIX

Member
I still think that Rita was the biggest missed opportunity as a potential companion. especially since she and 11 seemed to have such great chemistry in the limited scenes we saw them interact.

Also I need to admit that I don't really like Rory and I haven't really liked Amy since Series 5 either. Sorry. :(

I wish that one day we could have a male companion who isn't some tag-along boyfriend that isn't Jack.
 
I still think that Rita was the biggest missed opportunity as a potential companion. especially since she and 11 seemed to have such great chemistry in the limited scenes we saw them interact.

Also I need to admit that I don't really like Rory and I haven't really liked Amy since Series 5 either. Sorry. :(

I wish that one day we could have a male companion who isn't some tag-along boyfriend that isn't Jack.

That entire episode my friend and I were talking about how they were setting up Rita to come back....

And to continue on my neverending rant.... Yes, Amy is horribly overrated.
 

Jintor

Member
I still think that Rita was the biggest missed opportunity as a potential companion. especially since she and 11 seemed to have such great chemistry in the limited scenes we saw them interact.

Also I need to admit that I don't really like Rory and I haven't really liked Amy since Series 5 either. Sorry. :(

I wish that one day we could have a male companion who isn't some tag-along boyfriend that isn't Jack.

She was really awesome. :<

ya'll get out on your amy and rory hate though
 

mclem

Member
Weevils were in The Pandorica Opens. Autons showed up in the very first episode of Nu Who.

Sean!, or anyone else going through the older series, do not read this. I mean it.

Autons are also in The Pandorica Opens - and, it has to be said, used *extremely* well

Not heavy on the fairy tale but it felt like Moffat doing a Dalek episode, not RTD. There's a noticabely different tone to this Dalek episode compared to the others. Very smart script. Honestly, as Moffat's first proper Dalek episode, I think he nailed it.

Moffat plays with a few very interesting concepts here that end up working really well.

Edit: There are some very dark elements to this story mixed in with all the awesome fun.

I have a *suspicion* about this episode - not based on any real knowledge. I'll be very interested to find out if I'm right on Saturday!

There are the NDAs but I don't consider those threats. They are pretty much standard issue for any sort of screening like this. Nope. It's a code of silence amongst who fans who trust in Moffat's vision. His video plea was really convincing. He almost seemed desperate to keep WHO fans from spoiling this episode.
#savethesurprise all over again!
 

Mariolee

Member
I still think that Rita was the biggest missed opportunity as a potential companion. especially since she and 11 seemed to have such great chemistry in the limited scenes we saw them interact.

Also I need to admit that I don't really like Rory and I haven't really liked Amy since Series 5 either. Sorry. :(

I wish that one day we could have a male companion who isn't some tag-along boyfriend that isn't Jack.

I honestly thought Rita was set up to be the Doctor's surprise new companion since this was also the episode confirmed to have the Ponds departing and I was like, "Whoa, the Doctor's gonna have a Muslim doctor person be his companion? How progressive! :D" Then she got killed, and I think that may have been the most I've ever been upset at a side character of Doctor Who, if only because along with her body's death was the death of her potential. :(
 
Hartnell was 56 when the show started, and he couldn't keep up with it for long. I can't imagine an actor in their 60s or 70s would be able to work in the show. Too long a filming schedule, and too much action required.

You're also talking about a dude who was a frail 50-something in 1963. Thanks to nutrition and medicine, today's 50-somethings are much more robust.


That...is not how I would describe his character. At all. None of the new-Who Doctors have been that way really, based on what I've seen I'd probably only describe 1 and 4 that way (although I've never seen anything of 2 or 3)

I don't think there's a Doctor that you could hang 'thoughtful and measured' on more than the 5th. It's probably why he's one of my least favorites. That and his ugly beige constume.
 
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