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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Hot Coldman
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They don't look overly pleased with him.
Exterminieren
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Eleven certainly gets a lot of women throwing themselves at him.
JonathanEx
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I was expecting 5 minute bits each day so it got to about half an hour total. I must have misread something that it's 5 minutes total. Maybe not worth splitting it up at that size.
Still, enjoyed it!
Still, enjoyed it!
grimshawish
Banned
I do like how underplayed 'Eleven's Women' are though; its like the nude painting in TIA; its half on screen and a lot of half off screen stuff. Its done similarly to RTD's Casanova homour wise but with the dirty bits cut out 
Quite short, but I did like surfing to escape the Sontarans, I half wish that were in an episode!
No stupid Chibnall dialogue so am hopeful for his episodes
Quite short, but I did like surfing to escape the Sontarans, I half wish that were in an episode!
No stupid Chibnall dialogue so am hopeful for his episodes
There is a little bit of a shock to the system the first time you discover that the actor playing the Doctor is younger than you, though!
To be fair, it was immediately after the seventies. Everything looked beige in the seventies.
Nope, nothing has really changed, DW might have been a cult tv show but lots of people watched it back then like lots of people watch it now, it was part of the pop culture of the time and has always been a show aimed for family watching. I know people from older generations who would have had a DW poster next to a poster of whoever was a big star at the time or some band.
Huh, that happened. Entertaining little minute of the Doctor.
Now to see the purists complain about him standing at a DJ table.
Exterminieren
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Surprisingly high production values, too; CGI and stuntwork for the Sontaran bit.
ScreenSplitter
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Will once again be ignoring my partner from 7-8 every Saturday. Hopefully he won't turn out to be a
this time.
shrunk down version of himself inside a life sized robot suit version of himself
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
That's not a very high standard.
Hot Coldman
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Thinks lowly of S5, doesn't pay attention to broadcast dates... you're not too hot at this "being a DW fan" lark, are you?
ScreenSplitter
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I wouldn't call that a good arc, especially with all the Rory fuckery and lack of conclusion.
Do we know why the Silence blew up the TARDIS yet?
Ventilaator
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Why go from crap to terrible if you could make something decent instead?
Exterminieren
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I hope for a return to a Series 4 style arc; barely an arc at all, and never in a way that intrudes upon the individual episodes.
ScreenSplitter
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Blaidd Drwg man. Blaidd Drwg. Subtle, threatening, and enigmatic. And you didn't need a big
"LOOK HERE, A HOLE IN TIME!"
mightynine
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Huh. NOT blocked in the U.S. How nice.
Exterminieren
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I'd argue Series 4. Had a deeper understanding of what an arc is than the repeated words that RTD used elsewhere, was integrated subtly and satisfyingly (missing planets, Rose in The Poison Sky) and had an exciting payoff. Moffat's arcs interfere with the individual episodes too much for me (see Flesh and Stone as a prime example).
ScreenSplitter
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Don't forget the bees. That was a nice touch. I think my main problem with Moffat's arcs stems with the fact that the conclusions are very rarely satisfying.
Regulus Tera
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The Keeper of Traken > Logopolis > Castrovalva
the true answer is that Doctor Who is a show that doesn't benefit that much from having season long arcs and instead shines during stand alone stories.
Moffat was cooler when he wasn't a showrunner.Thinks lowly of S5, doesn't pay attention to broadcast dates... you're not too hot at this "being a DW fan" lark, are you?
Urgh, the stone cold face of truth! You bastard!
I really love Traken>Logopolis>Castrovalva though
ScreenSplitter said:
Okay, I was for sure disappointed in s6, and there are things to nitpick with s5 I guess.
Exterminieren
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I can appreciate this, although I do really enjoy the twists in the arc Moffat throws in halfway through the series (OH SHIT the TARDIS caused the cracks! OH SHIT Amy is kidnapped and heavily pregnant!).
The Pandorica Opens is a cracking two-parter though.
ScreenSplitter
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Does anyone else find it extremely weird that
The Doctor deprived them of raising their child (her growing up alongside you is not a substitute), and that's apparently all fine? By all rights Amy should hate his Time Lord guts.
Exterminieren
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I would be extremely unsurprised if this were addressed in the next 5 episodes.
infiniteloop
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Best season ever.
ScreenSplitter
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Maybe the events of this could slip out, and be the reason for the Ponds to leave?
It would be nice for Moffatt to acknowledge a time where he didn't run the show outside a few hologram cameos
infiniteloop
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Let's Kill Hitler: "You got to raise me after all."
Shitty raising.
I really think they wasted the character of Mel there. If she had been seeded in the series earlier, or if she had stuck around longer, that reveal would have been so much more powerful.
I of course mean that specific incarnation, not just River as a whole
ScreenSplitter
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Ask any mother whether she would rather have raised her child as an adult, where she could appreciate the maternal bond and nuances of childhood from an adult perspective, or have them grow up beside them when their understanding was restricted to that of a child. They may have spent a considerable amount of time together, but Amy/Rory had no idea of the significance of Mel, and their relationship will never be a normal mother/daughter one. They will definitely take issue with The Doctor over this.
ScreenSplitter
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6, give or take.
infiniteloop
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Oh, I don't disagree, I just think that whole plot point of "raising" Mel is Moffat's way of getting round that.
Ventilaator
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Yup.
All I want the arc to do is to set up some stuff so a more messed up problem could appear in the finale. You Are Not Alone, also you can store memories in a watch, and hey look here's this old professor with the same kind of watch. As horribly as it ended, the set up there was all the arc I want out of this show. What I don't want is the S6 thing of putting the messed up thing in front of you from the first episode and diminishing the value of the individual stories by doing so.
S5 going "Pandorica will open, Silence will fall" in the first episode was perfect. Messed up stuff is coming, but we don't know what those words means so let's go kick a Dalek or something. The cracks then appearing everywhere ruined all that by making it clear that the overall problem is way more important than whatever else they're doing. That makes the single stories feel utterly pointless. What use is kicking a Dalek if all of the universes are infinitely exploding over there?
grimshawish
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I hate how people say this. Well a very small minority of people. Moffat is bringing the show to a new era cause sticking to the past is boring. He'd have had Jack in AGMGTW but Torchwood was filming - Jack is pretty much the only RTD era character he could bring into the show again.
Meanwhile, Sontarans; Cybermen; and a number of RTD stories are referenced (including Liz 1).
Its a non-point based on sheer ignorance. Its a meme. No facts involved.
/rant
Tbf time never said anything about The Doctor getting killed, just everyone reacting like he was and River shooting The Doctor. Its still a pants though - but thats not what happened in the episode.
ScreenSplitter
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What really bugged me was the Doctor circumventing the whole "fixed point in time" thing with a robot suit. Apparently time doesn't mind if you're a robot. Also, way too much to squeeze into one episode. Could have easily got rid of some fluff episodes to make it a two parter.
Also the fact that River not killing him messed up the fixed point in time, even though if she was always not going to kill him then that should've been what got set as the fixed point. Or something like that.
He always got killed in the robot suit. The fixed point in time was that he got killed in the robot suit [rather, the robot suit got killed] and everybody thought he was dead. That's what happened in the first episode but nobody knew the context except River. But I agree, rushed as shit, underutilised Silence, etc, etc.
And I never got why River suddenly found the power to alter the timeline. Goddamn inexplicable time lords.
ScreenSplitter
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Yeah. It would seem Moffatt is fascinated with the concept of time being "wibbly wobbly", but not altogether certain of which direction it should wibble and wobble.
As others have said, he didn't circumvent it because it was always the robot in the Doctors form, the fixed point was that others see him get killed and that he was there which is what happened from the beginning.
PhoncipleBone
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The Doctor was actually in the suit at the time though, so whatever detectors the Silents or whomever had, probably thought it was the Doctor as well. It wasn't like The Doctor was off on the other side of the lake, chilling while it happened.
I will agree that the episode was a bit bloated, or at least tried to do too much in such little time. An extremely rushed resolution.
And now for Pond life: short, sweet, fun. If a little too short. I was expecting it to be at least a couple of minutes or so, not 50 seconds.
I will agree that the episode was a bit bloated, or at least tried to do too much in such little time. An extremely rushed resolution.
And now for Pond life: short, sweet, fun. If a little too short. I was expecting it to be at least a couple of minutes or so, not 50 seconds.
But if River was capable of making the choice to not kill him and the only reason she didn't make that choice was so that it wouldn't mess up the timestream then there never would've been an original occurrence where everyone saw him get killed so it wouldn't be fixed liked that ever so she wouldn't have a compelling reason to "kill" him.
I guess it is about as equally nonsensical as the Doctor being able to save himself from the Pandorica. But that was just one episode instead of an entire season's plotline.
I guess it is about as equally nonsensical as the Doctor being able to save himself from the Pandorica. But that was just one episode instead of an entire season's plotline.
I honestly have no idea where River got the power to subvert the fixed point from either. You can kind of Timey-wimey it out because Doctor Who has never really been good with fixed points in time ever, but it's a bit of a mystery to me how River gains either the knowledge or the inclination to drain the battery instead of kill the Doctor.
Hot Coldman
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Time can be rewritten- but most of the time, it probably shouldn't?
smarties00
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Pond life is great. Hopefully series 7 is more akin to this and is more about the adventure and fun of travelling in time and space and not bogged down in a nonsensical arc .
What really dosent make sense about last years arc is why the silence wasted their time creating the perfect timelord assassin and then just stick her in a suit to kill the doctor? Seems a bit of a waste dosen't it?
Counting down the days till Saturday! Cannot wait.
What really dosent make sense about last years arc is why the silence wasted their time creating the perfect timelord assassin and then just stick her in a suit to kill the doctor? Seems a bit of a waste dosen't it?
Counting down the days till Saturday! Cannot wait.
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