Hot Coldman
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oh yeah the Rani
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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peanutbutterlatte
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Eugh I can see it now, hat slightly covering her face and all.
"HI GUYS I ARE RELEVANT AGAIN!"
Guys, it's clearly Omega.
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ZombieFred
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Omega is really the last big foe that needs to make an appearance yet but considering his time lord origins I'd assume it will not happen as Moffat hates all about the time lord race outside the Doctor, hence no master anymore, or am I being wrong?
King of the Potato People
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Yeah I remember the Detective one with Riversong.
Also interesting if the Great Intelligence is going to be the series' Big Bad. Watching it, I thought they were going to bring that villain from the Power of 3, Shakri, whoever that was.
Exterminieren
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So, the four ongoing mysteries and plots as I see them...
1) Clara. Who is she? Why does she repeat throughout history? Why do elements of her life repeat with her (Nina, her job)? What is the relevance of the leaf? Why are the years when she's 16 and 23 omitted in her tally of years she's had the leaf?
2) The Doctor. Doctor Who? What's his big secret? How does he tie in to the Silence? What are the Fields of Trenzalore?
3) The Great Intelligence. What's its overall goal? Is it related to the Silence? To Clara? Has it got a long game concerning the Doctor?
4) The girl in the shop. Who was she? How did she know the Doctor's number, a number that we know from The Empty Child can never possibly be used? I find it difficult to think that Clara would call River a "girl".
1) Clara. Who is she? Why does she repeat throughout history? Why do elements of her life repeat with her (Nina, her job)? What is the relevance of the leaf? Why are the years when she's 16 and 23 omitted in her tally of years she's had the leaf?
2) The Doctor. Doctor Who? What's his big secret? How does he tie in to the Silence? What are the Fields of Trenzalore?
3) The Great Intelligence. What's its overall goal? Is it related to the Silence? To Clara? Has it got a long game concerning the Doctor?
4) The girl in the shop. Who was she? How did she know the Doctor's number, a number that we know from The Empty Child can never possibly be used? I find it difficult to think that Clara would call River a "girl".
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ZombieFred
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True but his origins and the episodes he was based in (one being a anniversary multi doctor special for example) made him a big impact on the Who universe considering the consequences of his actions that affected multiple things (Omegas hand for example). To me he's pretty big in that regards, more than Rassilon ever was.
peanutbutterlatte
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I was intending to piss-take, since as far as I can remember, people have been insisting Omega would be the big bad from like... Series 5? All I've seen of him is he looks like a Sci-Fi KKK.
1) She's The Rani in Chameleon Circuit
2) "Doctor Who" is a question that can never be answered until Mofatt and his scriptwriters beat that joke to a cold bloody death.
3) I don't know, but I hope it involves Ian McKellen somehow.
4) It's going to be River. Or, if he's really serious about linking the 50th together, Rose maybe.
Laughed at this way more than I should have.
King of the Potato People
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Clara could be a plant/tree alien.
Some plants look like theyre dying in the Winter (in her last two stories it was snowing) but she got to grow again in the spring like a plant. She often wears red, plant pots are usually red.
... oh that's a cheesy theory. No I really don't know who she is.
Hot Coldman
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To be fair, the "Doctor who?" moment tonight was really funny.
APZonerunner
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Moffat has said that he hasn't done the Master and doesn't see himself doing him because he thought RTD had told all the story there was to tell, which is code for him hating him as a villain, I think. He also said he thinks his existence as a character weakens the Doctor. Never say never, though... RTD said the same thing about Davros (that he weakened the Daleks) and still bought him back, albeit with the very deliberate caveat of him being the Daleks' slave.
peanutbutterlatte
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Totally weird.
Code for "RTD turned the character into a pantomime villain and my Area 52 rejects are much better anyway"
Mmmmm it might have been had Moffatt not shoehorned it into every episode since Dorian said it. And even then it was slightly hamfisted.
Quick Mustard
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"I invented the quadricycle!"
APZonerunner
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Well, Moffat is on the record as hating the Master back in the Virgin New Adventures days in the 90s (also lampooning him around the time he did The Curse of Fatal Death), so all this is no real surprise... He is a bit of a crap villain, really. Who's rogues gallery has always been a bit iffy.
peanutbutterlatte
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Eh, he toyed with the idea with the Dream Lord I think. We'll see, I never thought Moffatt would bring back Tennant (though I think in this case he's probably been strong-armed by BBC execs)
APZonerunner
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I think if he'd wanted rid of him that badly, he wouldn't have pitched Series 5 to him to see if he'd stay.
Plus, the Moffat/Tennant/Davison families are close enough that they all have regular dinners round Moffat's house together (Tennant is married to Peter Davison's daughter, so they have a real Doctor Who heavy family) - and Moffat used to proudly tweet photos of several generations of Doctor Who alumni sitting around his dinner table several times a year before closing his account - I'd say Tennant was pretty much always a shoe-in for the anniversary. He's probably closer as a friend to Tennant than Smith!
Plus, the Moffat/Tennant/Davison families are close enough that they all have regular dinners round Moffat's house together (Tennant is married to Peter Davison's daughter, so they have a real Doctor Who heavy family) - and Moffat used to proudly tweet photos of several generations of Doctor Who alumni sitting around his dinner table several times a year before closing his account - I'd say Tennant was pretty much always a shoe-in for the anniversary. He's probably closer as a friend to Tennant than Smith!
Episode was pretty good- nowhere near as awesome as Asylum of the Daleks, maybe a little too safe? Suffered the same problem as the Xmas special basically, trying to present season narrative and episode/week story at the same time, and then not gelling.
Liked a lot of the one liners though, the Easter eggs like Amelia and The Great Intelligence as a recurring nasty.
Liked a lot of the one liners though, the Easter eggs like Amelia and The Great Intelligence as a recurring nasty.
peanutbutterlatte
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Ah that's true! Well, Eccleston did say that Moffatt's S1 episodes were his favourites, so... nah, clutching at straws.
APZonerunner
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I think Eccleston not doing it is no longer related to the problems he had during series 1, as Who is now a (mostly) well-oiled filming machine, it's clear... I think he just doesn't want to go back. He views stepping back into a role like that as a really bad thing to do. It's a shame, but Eccleston is one of these really deep, devoted, very method actors, and I think he equates going back with selling out a bit.
He's running from the role for reasons not dissimilar to Tom Baker distancing himself from it after leaving, really. He eventually came around, hopefully Eccleston does too. One day we'll hopefully get a lovely suite of 9th Doctor/Rose/Jack Big Finish audio adventures. Eccleston has expressed a love for radio plays, so that may well help mellow him, too. Get Big Finish the new series license, at least up to the end of the Tennant era!
Yeah - I felt like this was struggling to pick up that momentum from Christmas a bit. Once it got its steam up (the moment he lands at Clara's house, really) it really got a motor on it in the best possible way. Just took a bit of time to get there.
peanutbutterlatte
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Kudos to Moffatt for not having The Doctor be an emotional wreck. Post-Rose Tennant was unbearable at times.
R_thanatos
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Just finished the ep....
I missed this show
Was this episode full of hacking whoompy wholly ?
I missed this show
Was this episode full of hacking whoompy wholly ?
Wasn't it Martha who had the cell phone that could call the Doc anywhere? Rose had to hop around looking for Ten, so I doubt she could call him up like that.
I really hope it is Susan and that it is somehow going to tie into the 50th but it probably is going to end up being Rose.
Yes. Luckily that phase was mostly but not entirely off-screen in the Christmas special.
APZonerunner
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Reminded me of School Reunion. Was expecting a return of the dramatic typing music. (I love that episode, but that and this both are proof that people 'typing at each other' in jump cuts is never all that thrilling, even if whatever they're typing spells the end of the world.
The Elite
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The text and code flashing all over the screen during the first ten minutes was equally ridiculous. The episode was at its best when Jenna and Matt were just enjoying each others company. The scene after she woke up in bed and leant out the window joined him on the street was lovely.
To those who mock RTDs sillyness, I present you continual typing battles, about half the episode RUNNING AND MANICALLY SHOUTING and again a stupidly loud score. It really was distracting for me.
The 50th special is just going to be four Doctors shouting "Doctor WHO" at each other for 60minutes at this rate.
To those who mock RTDs sillyness, I present you continual typing battles, about half the episode RUNNING AND MANICALLY SHOUTING and again a stupidly loud score. It really was distracting for me.
The 50th special is just going to be four Doctors shouting "Doctor WHO" at each other for 60minutes at this rate.
infiniteloop
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Solid episode, nothing special. Really reminded me of the RTD era.
Boring villains, and too badeither.we didn't even get to see the real villain
But all in all a very solid opening. Can't, as always, wait for next week
Wasn't the person behind this all
The Great Intelligence from the christmas episode who is still alive?
obin_gam
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This
years christmas' episode
Napoleonthechimp
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Yes. It is also an established villain from the old series.
Also, seeing the Doctor
riding up the side of the shard
Anyone want to buy a book?
http://merchandise.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/doctor-who-summer-falls/
(Could well be an April Fools' gag, but it's just the sort of thing I could see them doing)
In somewhat related news, while reading up on that, I discovered this:
http://forbiddenplanet.com/99937-do...g-tardis-limited-edition/#product-description
I think I must own it.
http://merchandise.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/doctor-who-summer-falls/
(Could well be an April Fools' gag, but it's just the sort of thing I could see them doing)
In somewhat related news, while reading up on that, I discovered this:
http://forbiddenplanet.com/99937-do...g-tardis-limited-edition/#product-description
I think I must own it.
I couldn't stop smiling when the guy asked, "He can do that? He can really do that!?"
Also, you guys don't need to spoiler it. Once the show has aired, you don't spoiler as it confuses people as to whether the spoiler is from the episode they already watched or from a future one.
Exterminieren
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They seem to have been doing quite a few of these tie-in mini books. They published The Angel's Kiss, a book based around River as Melody Malone, as well as a Holmes-style Paternoster Gang Adventure.
I have a T-Shirt with that on it.
APZonerunner
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Incidentally - episode description indicates the second Gaitiss episode with Strax, Jenny and Vastra is the 'Doctor Light' episode - it'll be link Blink/Love and Monsters/Turn Left/The Girl Who Waited, and be largely about them with very little of the Doctor, it seems.
Doctor Light episode... or pilot?
infiniteloop
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Wonder what the ratings will be, have been pretty consistent so far:
BARB Series Averages:
7.94m - Series 1: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.71m - Series 2: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.55m - Series 3: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
8.05m - Series 4: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.73m - Series 5: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.52m - Series 6: Final BARB rating average (13 episodes)
7.96m - Series 7: Final BARB rating average (5 episodes)
PhoncipleBone
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Solid and fun episode, but not amazing. Love the set up with the Great Intelligence though.
EleventhDoctor
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Don't be a monk. Monks are not cool.
PhoncipleBone
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Shaolin monks are.
EleventhDoctor
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Two hearts, Twenty Seven brains.
Quick Mustard
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I have a T-Shirt with that on it.
I have it like this
Had it up on the wall for ages now, love it!
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