infiniteloop
Member
I thoroughly enjoy Moffat's work but the dude comes off as egoistical and controlling, so I could definitely believe that.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
- Thread starter Mr. Sam
- Start date
- Status
APZonerunner
Member
Yeah, it's fairly well-established. He's a bit of a shit. That doesn't make him satan, mind... and most of the best artists are. I bet Shakespeare was a right arse, etc etc. That Laurence Miles post about Moffat and the 'power pat' is hilarious.
I find the (finale/50th)
Omega stuff hard to believe purely because of how Moffat hates the Time Lords, really.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The thing about 2) that annoys me is that I was thinking about rumors/spec going on regarding the 50th, and I was thinking "yunno, if one of those details was true -
edit: has the 50th anniversary thread been updated w/ the post above? I think a lot of the conversation we're having here would probably fit better over there.
he kinda pulled the same sorta shit on Coupling."
I mean, it was much more outrageous on Coupling, but it was done as a bit of a "fuck you" as well.
I mean, it was much more outrageous on Coupling, but it was done as a bit of a "fuck you" as well.
edit: has the 50th anniversary thread been updated w/ the post above? I think a lot of the conversation we're having here would probably fit better over there.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
If that stuff is true, it really does not reflect well on Moffat (to a level even I wouldn't have thought possible). Very interesting if the BBC are really trying to figure out a way to get him off the show.
#2 really pisses me off. Very classy.
#2 really pisses me off. Very classy.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I find myself hoping these rumors aren't true. Moffat always used to have his writing, but I'm not so sure that's really that good anymore. The idea of him being a leech that's obsessively clinging to the show in a stubborn way (if true) is a really irritating idea.
Didn't he write out a character in a really petty way because they quit?
Didn't he write out a character in a really petty way because they quit?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The Coupling similarity I saw is basically this:
The last season of Coupling was done without one of the core actors, who just up and left between seasons. Didn't want to be typecast, was sick of the other actors - who knows. Never really explained it. Just bailed out. This really pissed off Moffatt, and he admitted as such later. They replaced the character with a similar-ish but different one for the remainder of the season, and just pretended the original character wasn't there.
Then, for the finale, they brought back that character. They brought him back in a dream, re-cast him as a woman, for the purposes of making the character a completely ridiculous transgendered joke.
So when I heard that Eccleston declined, and then images of John Hurt started popping up online, I began thinking "I wonder if he's pulling the same sort of shit again." Reading #2 makes me think that's a little more possible.
Then, for the finale, they brought back that character. They brought him back in a dream, re-cast him as a woman, for the purposes of making the character a completely ridiculous transgendered joke.
So when I heard that Eccleston declined, and then images of John Hurt started popping up online, I began thinking "I wonder if he's pulling the same sort of shit again." Reading #2 makes me think that's a little more possible.
Damn right.
The more I read about Moffat's attitude and behind-the-scenes issues, the more my stock on him drops.
It's funny, in a way, how he reflects the Doctor. You have his wonderful side that everyone sees and loves, and he likes to obviously show that side, but the Doctor can be an absolute asshole to others.
All this behind-the-scenes rumours and scandalous information on a television show. Not just any kind of show, mind you, but these conflicts and alleged extramarital affair are pretty ridiculous.
Damn.... That would have been nice.
Thanks for the info. I've been avoiding the spoiler thread because I don't want any plot spoilers (I don't mind cast spoilers though).
Exterminieren
Banned
I really don't feel comfortable speculating about whether the showrunner was having sex with the executive producer or whatever, to be honest. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but this is a guy with kids and a family. I think that we could all do without the fannish inquisition on this one.
And, yeah, Moffat seems to be a bit of a dick. It's not all that uncommon.
And, yeah, Moffat seems to be a bit of a dick. It's not all that uncommon.
APZonerunner
Member
They're all ugly underneath. That's writers! Moffat is egotistical, vindictive and controlling, and if you know where to look that fact is pretty well established. RTD used to temper tantrum and spiral into self-hating depression, lashing out in the process - but the difference was in Gardner he had someone who was just this insane shield that stopped any of it from reaching anything or anyone else; every time he went off on one she would just sponge up all his hatred until he calmed down and apologized. Moffat's never had anyone so dedicated in his time on Who, sadly.
Exterminieren
Banned
RTD was fortunate in that the first time that most of his foibles became known to wider fandom was when The Writer's Tale came out, and it was all in his own words. He was widely lauded for his honesty and commitment. By contrast, the Moffat administration's clamming up means that if character impressions leak out, they aren't favourable.
Commenting a bit more on the Whistleblower blog:
It's quite interesting how they're going to weave in Series 7 with the 50th, and Series 8 afterwards.
They're all obviously getting prepared for Series 8, and there's already things they intend to do. Intending to do and actually doing are two different things, so it should be interesting to see how this pans out.
Today's blog post looks pretty legit, but giving it more thought, could be nothing at all.
I won't link the blog to save everybody from their own curiosity, but a quick Google search led me to it. Alternatively, I could PM the link to anybody interested.
It's quite interesting how they're going to weave in Series 7 with the 50th, and Series 8 afterwards.
They're all obviously getting prepared for Series 8, and there's already things they intend to do. Intending to do and actually doing are two different things, so it should be interesting to see how this pans out.
Today's blog post looks pretty legit, but giving it more thought, could be nothing at all.
I won't link the blog to save everybody from their own curiosity, but a quick Google search led me to it. Alternatively, I could PM the link to anybody interested.
APZonerunner
Member
RTD was fortunate in that the people closest to him and privy to absolutely all events respected him enough to not leak anything. He had public outbursts, for instance, like when he was mobbed by fans at the Exhibition because the BBC failed to provide an out, or when he exploded into a torrent of swearing and ranting about everything being shit in a script meeting, but that never got out at the time - it was only later - and yes, in his own words - that it came out. Nobody slipped it to private eye, or tweeted it, or whacked it on outpost gallifrey. It's hard to say why that is, but I'd lay a lot of that at Gardner's feet. She really was something else.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yeah, it's not difficult to find. There's a few things I take issue with;
POSSIBLE SERIES 8 SPOILERS;
Can't see Davros coming back
Everyone has outbursts and moments at work, but for some reason it's all the more shocking when it happens to someone who's usually in the public eye appearing so pleasant and affable.
I mean... can you imagine Matt Smith in a tantrum? Eeep.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Did Gardner actually get anywhere with her US exploits post-Who? Wish she'd come back to Who: she always sounded like a really important cog in the works.
APZonerunner
Member
She's still in LA for BBC Worldwide alongside Jane Tranter, who is the often-missed-out "third man" behind Who's revival after RTD & Gardner - Tranter was the BBC One commissioner who actually gave the show a full series budget without even a pilot and gave RTD carte blanche and stuff. They both sound like they're doing well. RTD only left America because his long-term boyfriend was diagnosed with cancer, else he'd still be with them, I guess.
As far as the inner-workings of this era go, I'm sure there'll be an amazing tell-all book one day.
infiniteloop
Member
The Life and Scandalous Times of Steven Moffat
peanutbutterlatte
Member
"Time and Space: Time and Time Again or The Wrath of Moffatt" documentary for the 100th maybe.
APZonerunner
Member
If people are really going down this rabbit hole, they should read Lawrence Miles' blog posts about Moffat & RTD. He has an axe to grind against them - Miles wrote Who novels during the hiatus, but he and RTD didn't get on - when RTD took control of the series, he ensured Miles wasn't on the 'approved list' of writers for novels. Moffat got deeply upset at the criticisms of The Unquiet Dead and The Empty Child and got into a tittle-tattle email fight with Miles, and they stopped talking. When he took over the show, he then upheld RTD's book ban on him. Miles hates the pair of them, and New Who in general. He posts scathingly critical but often quite thought-provoking stuff.
That said, he is absolutely a complete nutter... but it's still fascinating if you're interested in the figures behind the show and want a bit of an insight into the cogs behind the scenes. I don't agree with him, but it is a fascinating read. Here's the Moffat post - just use the broadcast dates to go digging for the rest - he used to blog every week during Series 1/2: http://beasthouse-lm2.blogspot.co.uk/2008/05/week-eight-my-life-with-new-god-king.html
I seem to remember his write up on Last of the Time Lords being an absolute riot.
That said, he is absolutely a complete nutter... but it's still fascinating if you're interested in the figures behind the show and want a bit of an insight into the cogs behind the scenes. I don't agree with him, but it is a fascinating read. Here's the Moffat post - just use the broadcast dates to go digging for the rest - he used to blog every week during Series 1/2: http://beasthouse-lm2.blogspot.co.uk/2008/05/week-eight-my-life-with-new-god-king.html
I seem to remember his write up on Last of the Time Lords being an absolute riot.
Anyone?
The Elite
BOSS
I'd love a Writer's Tale follow-up with Moffat. Doubt it will happen.
Writer's Tale was absolutely brilliant.
I barely watched Sarah Jane but I think I know who you are talking about.
Writer's Tale was absolutely brilliant.
I barely watched Sarah Jane but I think I know who you are talking about.
infiniteloop
Member
Yeah that's the guy. Is it possible that they could be connected or related?The Trickster
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The Trickster and The Great Intelligence could be working together I guess. I sort of doubt it though.
Maybe not the Trickster but others from his species.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I'm pretty sure that the Trickster is supposed to be an agent for the Black Guardian, actually.
grimshawish
Banned
It should be pointed out Miles was friendly with Moffat and Moffat was a MASSIVE fan of his work (seriously); but...and this is important...Miles fell out with Moffat...because...*drum roll*...Moffat clapped him on the back.
Like patting someone on the back? Yeah....
Miles is a nutter who hates criticism and doesn't understand why people get annoyed when he criticises them.
Like patting someone on the back? Yeah....
Miles is a nutter who hates criticism and doesn't understand why people get annoyed when he criticises them.
APZonerunner
Member
Miles is mental, yeah. But his blog is still fascinating. There was a bit more to it than the 'power pat' (laughing at the term alone) - it stemmed from some of the posts Miles made during series 1, which supposedly caused something of a fracas.
grimshawish
Banned
Yeah I think people 'put up with him' and it was more Miles disliking everyone else - but he was uhm...quite evocative in his attack on Gatiss that he even took it down. Not to mention he unceremoniously sits attacking Moffat for anything and everything. Its interesting as I find them incredibly similar in a lot of ways.
His blog can be funny as well as equally disturbing
Team Filler
Member
That #2 piece of speculation, I fucking swear if that's true...
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Oh wow-the Whistleblower just updated with a post regarding all these tiny images that have been hidden throughout Moffet's run. I've caught some of them, but if this is true....
WOW!
WOW!
Link?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Link pls
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Send me a PM for the link if you want it.
The Elite
BOSS
Go wild, but be warned, there are many potential spoilers.
Exterminieren
Banned
Most of those are representative of the logo for the same organisation, though. And the name of the computer is meaningless.
This BS was being handed round Gallifrey Base 3 years ago. I'm far less inclined to believe the whistleblower if that's what he's showing off.
This BS was being handed round Gallifrey Base 3 years ago. I'm far less inclined to believe the whistleblower if that's what he's showing off.
I just said I wouldn't link it to save people, but you went ahead and did it anyway.
You're erased from Doctor Who OT!
EleventhDoctor
Banned
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The Elite
BOSS
Don't worry about it. If people click on the link they only have themselves to blame.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
GUYS
What if the Whistleblower isThe Rani Steven Moffatt?!
What if the Whistleblower is
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
"However, certain HIGH PROFILE WHO WRITERS and at least TWO DIRECTORS, one from the CLASSIC SERIES, will NOT work with Moffat again."
That would explain why we haven't seen Graeme Harper direct anything since RTD left. Disappointing since he's easily the best director to ever work on the show.
I wonder who the other director or the writers would be if that was true. Rob Shearman, perhaps? I think Cornell is pretty good friends with Moffat, so I doubt he's one, but I'm not sure what other high profile Who writers there are who haven't worked on the show recently (aside from RTD, who gets along pretty well with Moffat)
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Like, for S7 finale, 50th, S8 and possibly even beyond.
just wanted to post that GIF again.
infiniteloop
Member
Yeah, it's nothing new. Even the John Hurt stuff has been recycled from someone else.
Yeah, I was initially excited about it, but realized that they were technically the same organization anyway.
- Status