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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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NTom64

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I've been extremely critical of the last couple of seasons, but I really enjoyed this ep.

Oh, and yes. Him as the Doctor...I like it. I like it a LOT.
 
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Mr. Sam

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John Hurt is one of my favourite actors ever. Obviously, this Doctor ages backwards and dies when he decides to join a crew of space truckers.
 
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Stuart444

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Calmed down... best episode of the season though for me. (well this half defo).

I didn't think he could be the one who pulled the trigger though, but it does sound like that now. Would all make sense.
 
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APZonerunner

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Avixph said:
Can someone explain to me what just happened?
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It's all unclear until the 50th, but to me it very much appears that John Hurt is a Doctor between 8 and 9 - but because he committed double genocide and did some very cold/potentially evil things in the war, he has been rejected by subsequent Doctors because what he did wasn't befitting of the name.

That's what I take from it, anyway.

"I did what I did in the name of peace and sanity." Double genocide isn't something a Doctor would do, though, is it?
 
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Robin64

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So that's The Doctor that pressed the kill switch in the Time War, eh? No longer deserving of the name he chose.

Just amazing. Wonderful. Wow!
 
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AngryMoth

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This run of episodes has been a total miss for me but I really enjoyed that finale. It would have been much better though if it had ended with Clara dying instead of going all timey wimey to bring her back, but maybe I'm just saying that because I think she's a boring character. Excited for the 50th anniversary now, I like the concept behind John Hurt's 'doctor'.
 
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APZonerunner

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Mariolee said:
I'm guessing that the whole "in-between Doctor" was written in after Eccleston pulled out.
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I don't think so, really - it's clearly integral after this episode, not an add-on. While Eccleston could've turned around there, it would have been a completely different scene tonally; that is clearly an 'evil' Doctor, one who went too far. Eccleston was never portrayed as that.

It would make sense if the 50th had been the three post-war Doctors battling the one who crossed the line during the war, though, thus them asking Eccleston.

I really wonder how much RTD knows, how much he was consulted etc, considering he said he had most of the Time War mapped out in his head and said he might one day do a novel.

It might not be the war at all, but I really think it must be - this series the war has been name checked more times than in Series 5 and 6, as if it's becoming more important again...
 
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Sadist

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CorrisD said:
This is seemingly the 9th Doctor, or at least the Doctor that took part in the time war, maybe he doesn't count as the 9th because he himself doesn't, maybe the Time Lords had something to do with it like they brought back the Master for the Time War, but this one is seemingly the one who ended the Time War and sealed it away.
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So he's the main antagonist then, sweet.

He always was his own worst nightmare
 
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Avixph

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APZonerunner said:
It's all unclear until the 50th, but to me it very much appears that John Hurt is a Doctor between 8 and 9 - but because he committed double genocide and did some very cold/potentially evil things in the war, he has been rejected by subsequent Doctors because what he did wasn't befitting of the name.

That's what I take from it, anyway.

"I did what I did in the name of peace and sanity." Double genocide isn't something a Doctor would do, though, is it?
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CorrisD said:
This is seemingly the 9th Doctor, or at least the Doctor that took part in the time war, maybe he doesn't count as the 9th because he himself doesn't, maybe the Time Lords had something to do with it like they brought back the Master for the Time War, but this one is seemingly the one who ended the Time War and sealed it away.
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Oh okay thanks.
 
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FillerB

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CorrisD said:
This is seemingly the 9th Doctor, or at least the Doctor that took part in the time war, maybe he doesn't count as the 9th because of the Time Lords like they brought back The Master, but this one is seemingly the one who ended the Time War.
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I'm thinking he's more an elderly 8th Doctor. Was it ever revealed when he regenerated into the 9th? Was it before, during or after the Time War.
 
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CorrisD said:
This is seemingly the 9th Doctor, or at least the Doctor that took part in the time war, maybe he doesn't count as the 9th because he himself doesn't, maybe the Time Lords had something to do with it like they brought back the Master for the Time War, but this one is seemingly the one who ended the Time War and sealed it away.
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that's pretty fucking cool

i thought the image of him standing with his back turned was pretty creepy and effective. as someone who hasn't enjoyed this season much, they really got me
 
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APZonerunner

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Commander Jameson said:
Ah. Does this explain that strange gap in the Time Lord regen montage gif?
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There was no strange gap; they just showed a clip of the 10 to 11 regeneration, you can actually lay over the shot from The End of Time if you want; people are seeing conspiracies where there isn't one there.

This is a missing Doctor, though, most likely between 8 and 9.
 
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Boem

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Hooooly shit. SO glad I avoided spoilers. Really didn't like series 7 so far, but loved 5 and 6. This is probably the most epic the show has been in years. So happy to see that Moffat hasn't lost it. Bloody great television, awesome to see live.

I wonder what's going to happen for the 50th. I guess it'll be mostly David, Smith and Hurt. Even with the somewhat dodgy effect, seeing those classic Doctors running around today was awesome. Kept hoping for a longer dialogue scene though.

By the way, did anyone see Paul McGann anywhere? I don't think he was in any of the shots, but that's probably because they haven't got the rights to the movie. Felt odd for him to be the only one missing though. Curious to see if Hurt is supposed to be an older version of him, or a seperate regeneration (Clara did stress the fact that Smith was 11 though. Could be 12 or the Valeyard).

And dear God, I wish we could have gotten Eccleston for the 50th. If it's going to be so Time War-centric it'd be awesome to see McGann/Hurt regenerate into him.
 
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googleplex

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Ok.....ok.....so..


Since Time lords, more then anyat race are what they Do. The man that burned the time lords, the Daleks, The nightmare child, the Could have been king, The Sakro Degradations and ended the time war was the Doctor? But not really the Doctor because he had to become something other the the "Healer" to do what was necessary. That man was the Man we saw at the end of this episode?

So that also means that Even though this is the Eleventh "Doctor" this is actually this 12th incarnation
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CorrisD

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Shahadan said:
So Smith is really the twelfth ?
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Smith is the 11th Doctor, Hurt isn't supposed to be "The Doctor" as such, he is a regeneration but not "The Doctor". As he said in the episode The Doctor is the name he chose to take to represent himself, someone who went round and saved people and worlds through time.
 
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mightynine

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Mariolee said:
I suppose, but it would seem unnecessary if Eccleston was involved. I would enjoy if the 50th was basically all of the Doctors dealing with Eccleston's Doctor and trying to deal with what he did.

I CAN'T WAIT TIL THE 50TH.
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But 9th was never played liked that, and it would cheapen his stories. 9 plays a lot better when you think of him as after 8 and a Half, especially that scene in Dalek.
 
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Mr. Sam

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Mariolee said:
I suppose, but it would seem unnecessary if Eccleston was involved. I would enjoy if the 50th was basically all of the Doctors dealing with Eccleston's Doctor and trying to deal with what he did.

I CAN'T WAIT TIL THE 50TH.
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But Eccleston's Doctor wasn't the one who ended the Time War - he regenerated from the one who did; the one who, until now, we presumed was McGann's.
 
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