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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Cloudy

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If I want to start watching the most recent Dr Who, where do I start? I see a ton of eps on Netflix but the 2 eps I watched was a different Dr. and it was kind of shitty actually lol (lame special effects and what not)

Where did the Sherlock guy come in? That's where I want to start
 
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gabbo

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Quick said:
Got a little giddy seeing Skaro decimated like Gallifrey, too. No particular reason why.

Oswin, also feels sad man. Jenna-Louise Coleman, goddamn.

Oswin deleting the Doctor on the Dalek's database...genius stuff. Leaves a clean slate for Moffat to write more Dalek stories without having to rely too much on past events.

I'm wondering if Oswin is just a "distant relative" like Adeolah and Martha, or if there's something more. Is "Clara" actually her confirmed name as a companion?
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-I also enjoyed that, it's nice to see them do more than make reference to that planet now and again like it's just an unimportant planet.
-It was also a nice trick on Moffatt's part, though a little eye-roll educing if he couldn't find another way to achieve that end.
-I can't believe
Amy still tries to belittle Rory waiting 2 thousand years for her in the Pandorica, as if it's somehow even close to whatever problem of the week she's gotten into.
Though it was almost touching/heart-breaking the explanation for the
divorce papers

-My initial thought was
that at some point in the next few episodes he'd come across the Alaska before it departs and saves her. Which would create such a massive paradox, but that will be swept under the carpet until such time as it's convenient.
I mean she could go by Clara, even if that's not her name. He goes by "The Doctor" after all (the intergalactic scamp that he is). Oh, and she can burn a soufflé for me any day.

Or

They're going to continue the weird trend of having different characters played by the same actor, and in this case Oswin is related to Clara somehow.
 
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hardcastlemccormick

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Cloudy said:
If I want to start watching the most recent Dr Who, where do I start? I see a ton of eps on Netflix but the 2 eps I watched was a different Dr. and it was kind of shitty actually lol (lame special effects and what not)

Where did the Sherlock guy come in? That's where I want to start
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Series 5 is a pretty okay place to start (first episode: The Eleventh Hour), but you'd be better served putting up with the "lame special effects" and starting at Series 1.

I started with Series 5, went back, and wish I had started from the beginning.
 
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xKilltheMx

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HolyCheck said:
Then I apologise. I understand your position now :) I just am slightly fed up with people coming in here and expecting spoiler tags for a week.. as it always happens.
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Well that seems ridiculous. I can see why you guys would hate that.

The_Technomancer said:
Oh, also, I was glad they mentioned the whole 2000 year wait thing. That was what bugged me about the idea of them getting divorced: you don't just divorce someone you waited 2000 years for.
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This. I was so pissed when she kept repeating "We aren't married."
All i could think was "Biznatch he waited 2000 years for you outside of a box and that shit dies in 2 years? GTFO!"
 
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Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
I have only watched NuWho but is there really a planet named Vulcan in the Whoniverse? Or was that just a nod to Star Trek?
 
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Sober

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DoctorWho said:
I'm still going with Dalek/Human Oswin avatar and making her back into a real girl will be part of the plotline.
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I would prefer it that it was just a coincidence that the character she will be playing is just the same as Oswin from this episode. Dunno but I might be getting tired of the same things Moffat is doing if they want to run her like a River-but-not-really companion where you know she dies. Hopefully just two different characters, just written the same for the hell of it, as if her being in this episode is just an in-joke for everyone who was expecting her from the Christmas episode onwards.

The_Technomancer said:
Normally I am annoyed by that type of character (don't like River, not a huge fan of 11, although he's getting better) but for some reason Oswin works for me. At least what we've seen so far. If she becomes infatuated with the Doctor then we might have a problem.
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You read my fucking mind. Love her sass though.
 
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Mariolee

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xKilltheMx said:
This. I was so pissed when she kept repeating "We aren't married."
All i could think was "Biznatch he waited 2000 years for you outside of a box and that shit dies in 2 years? GTFO!"
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I dunno, he waited 2000 years for a romantic idea of Amy, maybe he didn't know what the actual Amy was like to be married to.

Diablos54 said:
The budget's actually lower now than it was for Season 1-4. How they make it look so good I'll never know.
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Actually good direction.
 
The Elite

The Elite

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I'm glad the people who saw it early kept Moffat's secret. One of the biggest surprises to come out of this episode was that Jenna's reveal wasn't spoiled even though there were three advance screenings prior to airtime. I wish you guys could have seen the video he recorded for the Toronto/NY screenings. It really hit me hard how much he wanted everyone to keep this a secret. Really glad it worked out for the best.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
If this Oswin really is the companion then it has to be the Doctor going back in time and preventing her from ending up in the asylum. Otherwise if they were going to pull another Library why wouldn't she remember the Doctor?
 
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Mariolee

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Error said:
I have only watched NuWho but is there really a planet named Vulcan in the Whoniverse? Or was that just a nod to Star Trek?
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I have a feeling you're gonna wanna read this.

doctor-who-star-trek-the-next-generation-crossover-assimilation-2-by-idw-header.jpg
 
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gabbo

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Sober said:
I would prefer it that it was just a coincidence that the character she will be playing is just the same as Oswin from this episode. Dunno but I might be getting tired of the same things Moffat is doing if they want to run her like a River-but-not-really companion where you know she dies. Hopefully just two different characters, just written the same for the hell of it, as if her being in this episode is just an in-joke for everyone who was expecting her from the Christmas episode onwards.


You read my fucking mind. Love her sass though.
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He'll go back in time, save the Alaska, and then they can frolic around the universe Dalek-free for a bit. That's my theory... or she's Clara's cousin

The_Technomancer said:
If this Oswin really is the companion then it has to be the Doctor going back in time and preventing her from ending up in the asylum. Otherwise if they were going to pull another Library why wouldn't she remember the Doctor?
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Would they address the huge, universe destroying paradox this creates?
 
The Elite

The Elite

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Sober said:
I would prefer it that it was just a coincidence that the character she will be playing is just the same as Oswin from this episode. Dunno but I might be getting tired of the same things Moffat is doing if they want to run her like a River-but-not-really companion where you know she dies. Hopefully just two different characters, just written the same for the hell of it, as if her being in this episode is just an in-joke for everyone who was expecting her from the Christmas episode onwards.


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From The Guardian:

"Who she's playing, how the Doctor meets her, and even where he finds her are all part of one of the biggest mysteries the Time Lord ever encounters," Moffat said. "Even by the Doctor's standards, this isn't your usual boy meets girl."
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Get the impression that isn't the case though.
 
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Beaniedude

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I enjoyed Oswin and was hyped for a Dalek to join the Doctor's team, why can't he ever have an enemy join his team to get a fresh perspective?
Oh and "Remember"?
I don't suppose she uploaded herself to the Dalek hive mind to be wibbly wobblied back into existance.
I AM. A HUMAN. DALEK!
 
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hardcastlemccormick

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Mariolee said:
Actually good direction.
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Yeah, looking back on the Davies run, the set design is much, much worse and basic things like cinematography, lighting and overall art style make a difference. The new stuff is much more cohesive in that regard. Improvements in the industry's "mid-level" CGI also helps.

The script writing might also play a factor, and the sharing of money within a season. Some episodes cost more than others, surely.

EDIT: On that comic book cover, Matt Smith looks like Nathan Fillion.
 
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The Elite

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The_Technomancer said:
If this Oswin really is the companion then it has to be the Doctor going back in time and preventing her from ending up in the asylum. Otherwise if they were going to pull another Library why wouldn't she remember the Doctor?
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I don't think that's the case at all. I think we will get post "Asylum" Oswin. There's too much potential fun to have a Dalek/human companion.
 
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Beaniedude said:
I enjoyed Oswin and was hyped for a Dalek to join the Doctor's team, why can't he ever have an enemy join his team to get a fresh perspective?
Oh and "Remember"?
I don't suppose she uploaded herself to the Dalek hive mind to be wibbly wobblied back into existance.
I AM. A HUMAN. DALEK!
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I think that's the case. Or she uploaded herself to the TARDIS.

The alternate 9th Doctor story that you could watch on the BBC website had a robotic Master as his companion. Very odd.
 
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Diablos54

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I can't see The Doctor going back and taking Oswin with him before the Asylum, it wouldn't make much sense. How would she not know who he was? Plus she said it was her first time "seeing the stars" when the ship crashed. Plus, the potential with a Dalek companion is endless. It has to be after, I can't see it happening any other way.
 
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Lissar said:
Going back and saving her would be too boring. I know they can do better than that.
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Yup. Also, we've already had a companion whose fate we ultimately know in River. We saw her "end" before seeing most of her adventures. Doing that with Oswin would be the same thing.

Give me Dalek/Human Clara Oswin!
 
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LuffyZoro

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The ep was great, but I'm not sure about Oswald. Other than
being a Dalek
, she just seemed too perfect and Mary Sue-ish.
 
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mightynine

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I've watched this thing 3 times today. Love how on the second time, you're watching for all the little hints you know were there, but didn't make sense until the reveal, like at the beginning, her view screen is looking out to her room/prison.
 
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That was so fucking brilliant.

Really like the new girl, but she's almost a bit too perfect. The dimples, the eyes, the body, the cute attitude...dammit, don't make me forget about Amy.
 
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Incendiary

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LuffyZoro said:
The ep was great, but I'm not sure about Oswald. Other than
being a Dalek
, she just seemed too perfect and Mary Sue-ish.
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I think what you spoilered is what's going to make her character interesting. As long as they go post-Asylum with her character, I think having that kind of relationship with the Doctor would be amazing. Plus, I like the idea of a companion that is brilliant on their own, instead of always having the Doctor be the brilliant one and save the day.

Plus, she can't get any more Mary Sue than River Song.
 
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acheron_xl

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After the last Xmas special and Pond Life, I was worried that the tone would be too light, but this was spot on.

And JLC has potential. She's like the offspring of River and Adric. That she didn't have any scenes with any of the other actors didn't go unnoticed by me. The better to keep the secret. I wonder if the cast even knew?
 
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gabbo

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DoctorWho said:
Yup. Also, we've already had a companion whose fate we ultimately know in River. We saw her "end" before seeing most of her adventures. Doing that with Oswin would be the same thing.

Give me Dalek/Human Clara Oswin!
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Saving Oswin would lead to her never ending up on the planet, so it wouldn't be like River at all. It'd be more like Rose's dad.
 
The Elite

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gabbo said:
Saving Oswin would lead to her never ending up on the planet, so it wouldn't be like River at all. It'd be more like Rose's dad.
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It would be both situations.

You either have Doctor and Oswin going on adventures and then Oswin being returned to the Alaska to fulfill what happened in Asylum. It would be like River because we would have seen her "end" first.

You can't have her not become a Dalek or it creates a paradox like with Rose's Dad though.

If she never ends up on the planet, Amy and Rory and The Doctor never have this adventure. It messes up the timeline and the fanbase will be crying about it for years. I think Moffat will avoid that.

There's no way Moffat's going that route at all though. Dalek Oswin is too good to pass up.
 
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ultron87

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I thought the ultimate reveal of her as a Dalek was extremely effective. Knowing that she was going to eventually be a companion just made me assume that she would be fine the entire episode. So it came as a total shock when the eventual reveal came.
 
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Jintor

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Eggs...

This was probably the first time since Dalek I've been proper scared of the Daleks. Those veterans were freaky-deaky.
 
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PhoncipleBone

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Diablos54 said:
Speaking of that, who's ready for next week with... Wait for it... RORY'S DAD!
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I am so down for Rory's dad. Cmon, he is play by
Mr. Weasley
! They've crossed the streams! My wife and I are so excited.

Anyways, short thoughts on the episode:

Called it early that she was a Dalek.

Props to introducing the new companion in the episode. Did NOT see that one coming.

Double props for getting Rory and Amy together again. I was pissed knowing about the divorce papers, but my boy Rory still wins in the end.

Love the fact that we have a reset on the Daleks. Allows a lot of possibilities without being beholden to the past.

Overall: great episode, but not as much fun as Impossible Astronaut or Eleventh Hour. Eleventh Hour is still the perfect opening episode for me. But this was damn good. Damn good.
 
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piratepwnsninja

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Jintor said:
Eggs...

This was probably the first time since Dalek I've been proper scared of the Daleks. Those veterans were freaky-deaky.
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My daughter goes, "Why did they have to make it SCARY?!!?"

Excellent episode, great opener. I'm really excited to see what they do with Oswin. I doubt it'll be the same person playing a different character. And Moffat won't just leave a plot hole as big as "rescued therefore things couldn't happen." I could actually see it being dark in he does save her but has to like, put her back and make her forget him somehow, which would then tie into her making the Daleks forget him eventually, etc.
 
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hardcastlemccormick

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PhoncipleBone said:
I am so down for Rory's dad. Cmon, he is play by
Mr. Weasley
! They've crossed the streams! My wife and I are so excited.
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An amazing casting job there.

PhoncipleBone said:
Love the fact that we have a reset on the Daleks. Allows a lot of possibilities without being beholden to the past.
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I have friends that are going to be livid when they see that part, but I thought it was kind of cool and might actually change up the Doctor-Dalek dynamic for once.
 
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infiniteloop

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Error said:
I have only watched NuWho but is there really a planet named Vulcan in the Whoniverse? Or was that just a nod to Star Trek?
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http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Vulcan_(The_Power_of_the_Daleks)

Star Trek only just beat Doctor Who in introducing the concept of an alien world called Vulcan by a few weeks, as it debuted not quite two months before Power of the Daleks aired. The two shows seem to have selected the name independently.
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Power of the Daleks first aired 5 November 1966.
 
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PhoncipleBone

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hardcastlemccormick said:
An amazing casting job there.



I have friends that are going to be livid when they see that part, but I thought it was kind of cool and might actually change up the Doctor-Dalek dynamic for once.
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Well, who else could spawn a badass like Rory? No one! I was excited for Dinosaurs on a Spaceship before (c'mon. It's dinosaurs. On a spaceship!) but the trailer and the casting have me more hyped.
 
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Slime

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Very good episode. I've always loved the standalone adventures more than the arcing ones, and after all the timey-wimey drama last season that didn't really lead to anything, an opener of that kind was refreshing.

But, even so, I'm not terribly convinced this wasn't an arc-y episode. The whole "Doctor Who?" thing last season seemed to be setting up a potentially cringe-worthy Moffat retcon of the Doctor's past, but the conclusion of this episode and the theme of "memory" has me convinced something is amiss. The Doctor seems pretty happy that the Daleks don't remember him, but I have a strong feeling that will be his undoing. So perhaps the answer to the question won't end up being about history, but of lost identity. Maybe what brings about the "fall of the Eleventh" is the fact that even the Doctor has forgotten who he is.

As for Oswin, I'm not entirely convinced she was forthcoming about herself here, or that she's really dead. Reeks of Moffat weirdness. I have a feeling some genius plan of hers is afoot.
 
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