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[APZonerunner]

Is it 100% made by them? I knew they bought Bedder 6 but thought that was a brand rights thing - but didn't know if that included the actual production of the TV show.

The way I read it when they did the buy-out was that from then on they were handling production entirely. Might be wrong, though, I didn't look into it too much. Worldwide definitely holds a lot of creative control over Top Gear, though. If not all of it.

When the hell did you go to December? Did we fucking time travel?

Hurt was in Name of the Doctor, Tennant is in the 50th with him, and Capaldi will appear at Christmas (if not in the 50th!), so, yeah, we've seen the last episode where Matt Smith is the only actor credited as the Doctor.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

I'm almost positive that The Twelfth Doctor is going to be at the end of the Anniversary Special. It makes too much sense not to. If they get the Eighth Doctor regenerating into John Hurt, then have Tennant and Smith running around, then have the last scene be Matt regenerating-you'll have "five" Doctors in the Anniversary special-if not it's a missed Opportunity. Isn't the Christmas Special called "Twelfth Night" anyways? To me that indicates the story is about Twelve, and not just a cameo at the end.

Unless the Christmas special has Twelve show up randomly at the beginning of the episode to help Eleven....who then regenerates into Twelve at the end of the episode-wibbly wobbly timey wimey

 

[wetflame]

I'm almost positive that The Twelfth Doctor is going to be at the end of the Anniversary Special. It makes too much sense not to. If they get the Eighth Doctor regenerating into John Hurt, then have Tennant and Smith running around, then have the last scene be Matt regenerating-you'll have "five" Doctors in the Anniversary special-if not it's a missed Opportunity. Isn't the Christmas Special called "Twelfth Night" anyways? To me that indicates the story is about Twelve, and not just a cameo at the end.

Unless the Christmas special has Twelve show up randomly at the beginning of the episode to help Eleven....who then regenerates into Twelve at the end of the episode-wibbly wobbly timey wimey

Can't wait for the credits on that episode then:

THE DOCTOR
Paul McGann

THE DOCTOR
John Hurt

THE DOCTOR
David Tennant

THE DOCTOR
Matt Smith

THE DOCTOR
Peter Capaldi

 

[twobear]

I'm almost positive that The Twelfth Doctor is going to be at the end of the Anniversary Special. It makes too much sense not to. If they get the Eighth Doctor regenerating into John Hurt, then have Tennant and Smith running around, then have the last scene be Matt regenerating-you'll have "five" Doctors in the Anniversary special-if not it's a missed Opportunity. Isn't the Christmas Special called "Twelfth Night" anyways? To me that indicates the story is about Twelve, and not just a cameo at the end.

Unless the Christmas special has Twelve show up randomly at the beginning of the episode to help Eleven....who then regenerates into Twelve at the end of the episode-wibbly wobbly timey wimey

I don't think so. 'Twelfth Night' because the twelfth doctor shows up, yes, but also because Twelfth Night is the end of Christmas, and it will be the end of the eleventh Doctor.

 

[Blader]

Isn't "Twelfth Night" just the name that everyone but Moffat has lobbed around? I don't think that's official (yet).

 

[odiin]

When the hell did you go to December? Did we fucking time travel?

Hurt was in the finale, and even if he technically doesn't count there was also bits with the older Doctors including new footage using body doubles, Tennant will be in the 50th and Capaldi at Christmas. Last time Matt got to ride solo was Nightmare in Silver.

 

[Ventilaator]

Hurt was in the finale, and even if he technically doesn't count there was also bits with the older Doctors including new footage using body doubles, Tennant will be in the 50th and Capaldi at Christmas. Last time Matt got to ride solo was Nightmare in Silver.

There were two Matts in Nightmare in Silver, so...

 

[APZonerunner]

The "Twelfth Night" title for the Christmas Special was dropped in a (I believe largely correct) larger cache of spoilers, so it may have been something Moffat said to someone in passing that then got spread around.

 

[Hot Coldman]

If Twelfth Night ISN'T the title, though, someone fucked up.

 

[Mindwipe]

Is it 100% made by them? I knew they bought Bedder 6 but thought that was a brand rights thing - but didn't know if that included the actual production of the TV show.

The way I read it when they did the buy-out was that from then on they were handling production entirely. Might be wrong, though, I didn't look into it too much. Worldwide definitely holds a lot of creative control over Top Gear, though. If not all of it.

No, Bedder 6 was nothing more than a shell company that owned Clarkson and Wildman's 50% stake in the Top Gear format rights. It doesn't have any employees to make anything (other than those two and an accountant...). I imagine it will be dissolved as an entity by the end of the financial year now it has no assets.

Top Gear is entirely made by BBC Factual in-house production. Worldwide provide a bunch of pre-production financing, and will get a bunch of say into it as a result (as would any financier of that level), but the Top Gear production staff are BBC public service staff, not BBC Worldwide, and the PS BBC would have final editorial control.

The situation with Doctor Who is not dissimilar. But the format is ultimately PS BBC owned, and BBCWW just invest in it and gain licences in the rights to sell as a result. If (if) a film does happen it will almost certainly be driven by the BBC's in-house Drama department, the US wing of such that Jane Tranter went off to set up, BBC Films and whichever film company is created to run it. And any other co-production film financing and foreign distributors. BBCW might not have anything to do with it at all (maybe they'd resell the merchandising rights or something).

 

[StalkerUKCG]

So its looks like the DW timeline goes like this based on the common fan theory

Events of Doctor Who The Television Movie (Paul Mcgann)
Events of Doc 8's life (Paul McGann web series?)
First Days of the Time War (Paul Mcgann web series?)
Later/Last days of the Time War Doc 10 and 11 go back to stop Doc 8 (john hurt) (50th)
Doc 8 Regerates into Doc 9 (off screen)
Doc 9/10/11 fun times
Doc 10 and 11 go back to the time war to stop Doc 8 from genocide
Matt Smith turns into Capaldi


Imagine if we got 2 regenrations in the 50th. Surprise CE cameo as John hurt regens into him and then Smith into Capaldii

 

[The Elite]

So its looks like the DW timeline goes like this based on the common fan theory

Events of Doctor Who The Television Movie (Paul Mcgann)
Events of Doc 8's life (Paul McGann web series?)
First Days of the Time War (Paul Mcgann web series?)
Later/Last days of the Time War Doc 10 and 11 go back to stop Doc 8 (john hurt) (50th)
Doc 8 Regerates into Doc 9 (off screen)
Doc 9/10/11 fun times
Doc 10 and 11 go back to the time war to stop Doc 8 from genocide
Matt Smith turns into Capaldi


Imagine if we got 2 regenrations in the 50th. Surprise CE cameo as John hurt regens into him and then Smith into Capaldii

No.

 

[maharg]

I think we're far more likely to see McGann regenerate into Hurt than Hurt into Eccleston. Like, several orders of magnitude more likely.

 

[Fuu]

I think it's a fair assumption that Hurt's character wouldn't even exist if Eccleston wanted to do the part to begin with. Pretty sure we'll never see him in anything Who ever again.

 

[DrForester]

Can't wait for the credits on that episode then:

THE DOCTOR
Paul McGann

THE DOCTOR
John Hurt

THE DOCTOR
Christopher Eccleston

THE DOCTOR
David Tennant

THE DOCTOR
Matt Smith

THE DOCTOR
Peter Capaldi

Fixed, you faithless asshole.

 

[infiniteloop]

Fixed, you faithless asshole.

 

[The Elite]

I think it's a fair assumption that Hurt's character wouldn't even exist if Eccleston wanted to do the part to begin with. Pretty sure we'll never see him in anything Who ever again.

They went out and got a pretty big name for the part and I imagine that was always the plan for the 50th. Maybe they always intended to have Eccleston simply appear for the regeneration and that could be the reason he declined to be in the 50th.

 

[blizzardjesus]

The companion will continue to be Jenna, right? I really hope they totally remove the affection/kissing/love angle from that relationship, then. Fucking tired of that shit with his companions.

I want it to go the opposite way, the creepier the better.

 

[Quick]

...EVERYONE'S THE DOCTOR!

 

[maharg]

They went out and got a pretty big name for the part and I imagine that was always the plan for the 50th. Maybe they always intended to have Eccleston simply appear for the regeneration and that could be the reason he declined to be in the 50th.

This seems likely to me. It's not like the premise they've staked out for The Hurt Doctor would fit Eccleston.

 

[APZonerunner]

Ecclseton's feelings on the show are difficult to read. He talks about how much he loved and appreciated it, and how magical the show's connection with kids is, but then he also very famously screamed "at least I don't have to watch this shit" during an on-set row with a Series 1 director. Likewise, he talks about how much he loves Moffat's two episodes he did, but Moffat also has exactly the kind of lightly snidey personality that'd probably drive him mental, even unintentionally.

I don't think he'll ever come back, really. The last possible chance is 2015, for the ten year of New Who. If he doesn't then, he never, ever will.

 

[maharg]

Eh. I don't think he'll come back any time soon, certainly not by 2015, but old age is mellowing and he's still pretty young. Wait 'til he's in his 60s and he's gotten some perspective on the fact that he was in GI Joe, but it's Doctor Who he resents.

 

[APZonerunner]

I'm amazed anyone in Hollywood, especially high profile people like Marvel, give him work now. He's talked very clearly about how he considers the Hollywood stuff shit, and only does it to pay the bills. Was amazed they gave him such a massive role in Thor 2 when those comments were out there.

 

[Locke_211]

The infamous comments he made on set were during the very first recording block, though ("Rose", "Aliens of London" and "World War Three") when they were going really badly wrong. So he could have softened a lot over the rest of the season.

And surely "Twelfth Night" should be the first episode of Season 8. Or Christmas, if Capaldi does appear at the end of the special. But it should be the first full episode fronted only by Capaldi, not the one when he appears at the end as Matt goes!

 

[Kuraudo]

The problem with calling the first episode of series 8 Twelfth Night is that it won't air at Christmas. The Eleventh Hour worked as an episode title because it was both Eleven's first episode and the plot revolved around him working to a time limit where he saved the day at the figurative eleventh hour. If they call an episode Twelfth Night it needs to make sense from a plot perspective and not just be because it's Twelve's first adventure. The easiest way to do that is to set it at Christmas and, preferrably, have it borrow from the play of the same name (would love to see another take on Who and Shakespeare after the awful Shakespeare Code).

 

[Hot Coldman]

I'm amazed anyone in Hollywood, especially high profile people like Marvel, give him work now. He's talked very clearly about how he considers the Hollywood stuff shit, and only does it to pay the bills. Was amazed they gave him such a massive role in Thor 2 when those comments were out there.

Mads Mikkelsen had quit Thor 2 and they needed a replacement, just to put that move in context.

 

[mclem]

The problem with calling the first episode of series 8 Twelfth Night is that it won't air at Christmas. The Eleventh Hour worked as an episode title because it was both Eleven's first episode and the plot revolved around him working to a time limit where he saved the day at the figurative eleventh hour.

Also, with *slightly* creative accounting, it was the eleventh episode that ran for an hour or longer (the creativeness comes from the fact that you have to round Last of the Time Lords up a bit - it's longer than a normal episode, but falls just short of an hour)

The Christmas Invasion: 60 minutes
The Runaway Bride: 60 minutes
Last of the Time Lords: 52 minutes
Voyage of the Damned : 72 minutes
Journey's End: 65 minutes
The Next Doctor: 60 minutes
Planet of the Dead: 60 minutes
The Waters of Mars: 60 minutes
The End of Time, Part 1 : 60 minutes
The End of Time, Part 2 : 75 minutes
The Eleventh Hour: 65 minutes

 

[Axiom]

I had not seen this before and while it's from a Youtube video, it did make me smile. I hope it does the same for some of you.

 

[infiniteloop]

It's from a documentary on Davison's era on Resurrection of the Daleks DVD.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I think the 50th was the last chance for Eccleston to come back. I doubt they'll do another multi-Doctor story as soon as 2015 (though Eccleston solely re-appearing would make more sense), and I don't think he'll be any more interested then than he is now. There were negotiations (it's rumored they didn't go well, but still), and they went without fruition.

I think the rumored appearance of McGann in the 50th will be a big barometer for whether they'll even be interested in having Eccleston back any later, since at least he had a fairly good series instead of a very questionable TV film.

 

[CorrisD]

I think the 50th was the last chance for Eccleston to come back. I doubt they'll do another multi-Doctor story as soon as 2015 (though Eccleston solely re-appearing would make more sense), and I don't think he'll be any more interested then than he is now. There were negotiations (it's rumored they didn't go well, but still), and they went without fruition.

Indeed, by the time the next big anniversary rolls around, that being the 60th if DW is still around we will have a good bunch of NuWho Doctors to come together. Tennant and Smith seem pretty happy with their roles on the show so I imagine they would be happy to come back in the future for any sort of special, and as there will be a bunch more Eccleston wont be much of a problem.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Two Doctors in the 50th would be disappointing if it wasn't for Hurt being in. I mean, wow. And yeah, be very surprised if Tennant/Smith don't return for the potential 60th/whatever the next multi-Doctor thing is. Smith particularly, I actually thought he looked close to tears when he was wishing Capaldi well.

 

[Exterminieren]

Series 7 soundtrack track listing.

DISC ONE

1 They Are Everywhere
2 Save Us
3 Dalek Parliament
4 Oswin Oswald
5 Towards The Asylum
6 A Probe In The Snow
7 Amy And Rory Together
8 The Terrible Truth
9 Dinosaurs On A Spaceship / Pterodactyls
10 Brian
11 Take A Ride On Tricey
12 Make Peace
13 Welcome To Mercy
14 Out West
15 Gunslingers
16 The Salvation Of Kahler Jex
17 Our Little Town’s Prosecutor
18 Cubes
19 While We Waited
20 Brian’s Log
21 New York New York
22 I Am You
23 Melody Malone
24 Little Angels
25 My Husband’s Home
26 Hide The Damage
27 Almost The End
28 Together Or Not At All - The Song Of Amy And Rory
29 Goodbye Pond
30 Cumbria 1207
31 Monking About
32 Spoonheads
33 Clara?
34 A Turbulent Flight
35 Bah Bah Biker
36 Up The Shard
37 I Might Change My Mind

DISC TWO

1 The Leaf
2 Something Awesome
3 Market Day
4 Merry Gejelh
5 God of Akhaten
6 The Speeder
7 Never Wake
8 The Long Song
9 Infinite Potential
10 Always You, Never A Replacement
11 Cold War
12 Skaldak
13 I Am A Ghost
14 A Machine That Makes Machines
15 Crimson Horror
16 Sweetville
17 Thomas Thomas
18 Hedgewick's World
19 Tiberian Spiral Galaxy
20 Upgrade In Progress
21 The Dream Of Cyberia
22 What A Brain
23 Can’t Win
24 Your Orders Come From Me
25 Other Good News
26 The Impossible Girl
27 Cyber Amy
28 The Emperor’s Wife
29 Some Wednesday
30 To Save The Doctor
31 A Letter To Clara
32 What Is His Name?
33 A Secret He Will Take To His Grave
34 Trenzalore
35 I Am Information
36 Pain Everlasting
37 Remember Me

38 Glasgow [Bonus track for iTunes]
39 Whisper Men [Bonus track for iTunes]

Out September 9th.

 

[Trike]

I think the 50th was the last chance for Eccleston to come back. I doubt they'll do another multi-Doctor story as soon as 2015 (though Eccleston solely re-appearing would make more sense), and I don't think he'll be any more interested then than he is now. There were negotiations (it's rumored they didn't go well, but still), and they went without fruition.

I think the rumored appearance of McGann in the 50th will be a big barometer for whether they'll even be interested in having Eccleston back any later, since at least he had a fairly good series instead of a very questionable TV film.

McGann actually had more stories than any other Doctor in the audio plays and books. But I wish the rumored 8th Doctor TV series from a few years back was real.

Here is my 50th Anniversary guesses:

It will feature the 10th, 11th, and John Hurt. But will still contain the 8th and 9th Doctor, effectively making another "The Five Doctors" story. I know it has been said that Eccleston wasn't returning, but if it was supposed to be a secret, why would he straight up say it? It could just be a very small part that could be filmed with a skeleton crew if it was to be kept under wraps.

Plus Moffat has been lying for months by his own admission about the 50th Anniversary.

 

[Team Filler]

It will feature the 10th, 11th, and John Hurt. But will still contain the 8th and 9th Doctor, effectively making another "The Five Doctors" story. I know it has been said that Eccleston wasn't returning, but if it was supposed to be a secret, why would he straight up say it? It could just be a very small part that could be filmed with a skeleton crew if it was to be kept under wraps.

I want to Believe :|

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

A secret Eccleston appearance is exactly the kind of thing they would lie about/keep a secret. Nobody really expected him to come back. If they hadn't confirmed Tennant yet, hype would be at an all time low and fans would be clamoring for Moffat's blood (well... moreso).

Even if it's literally Hurt regenerating into him and that's it I'd be pleased.

 

[The Elite]

There's always the possibility that Eccleston and McGann making cameos in the 50th are well-guarded secrets.

I want to believe.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

We know nothing of what was filmed in studios. We've probably seen... 10% of the locations in the Anniversary special. Now, most likely, Eccleston said no and they haven't asked McGann because life is cruel and those sort of things happen. But they can really do whatever they like behind closed doors as long as they keep a lid on it, as they've done pretty well so far.

 

[Hot Coldman]

There's always the possibility that Eccleston and McGann making cameos in the 50th are well-guarded secrets.

I want to believe.

McGann ---> Hurt in first 10 minutes, Hurt ---> Eccleston in last 10 minutes.

Also, Smith ---> Capaldi in last 10 minutes.

Willing to make an avatar bet on the last one if anyone has anything particularly humiliating they can come up with.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Willing to make an avatar bet on the last one if anyone has anything particularly humiliating they can come up with.

Risky! Maybe one of Sonic's more... 21st Century friends?

For the record, I would quite like Matt's exit to be a little more of a solo affair. But I'm suspicious... they're going back to Trenzalore? Isn't that a little redundant?

 

[V_Arnold]

Risky! Maybe one of Sonic's more... 21st Century friends?

For the record, I would quite like Matt's exit to be a little more of a solo affair. But I'm suspicious... they're going back to Trenzalore? Isn't that a little redundant?

What makes you think they even left Trenzalore? For all we know (nothing, cause I do not read any spoilers from the 50th ), the whole 50th special could take place inside the Doctor's timestream.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

[/B]

What makes you think they even left Trenzalore? For all we know (nothing, cause I do not read any spoilers from the 50th ), the whole 50th special could take place inside the Doctor's timestream.

Err... I'm saying nothing to spoil your experience.

 

[V_Arnold]

Err... I'm saying nothing to spoil your experience.

Oh. So you imply that I am wrong, so YOU SPOILED ME!!!!4

 

[Perspicacity]

I watched all of Eccleston and Tennant's run but none of Smith's, I'm sort of interested in hopping back on with Capaldi so what would you sort of consider "essential viewing" from 11's run?

 

[V_Arnold]

I watched all of Eccleston and Tennant's run but none of Smith's, I'm sort of interested in hopping back on with Capaldi so what would you sort of consider "essential viewing" from 11's run?

Hm....
Season 5: Eleventh Hour, Beast Below, Doctor and Vincent, The Lodger
Season 6: Episode 1-2, The Wife of the Doctor, God Complex, Rebel Flesh/Almost People, A Good Man Goes to War, optional: (if you like River) Let us Kill Hitler/Season Finale.
Season 7: Asylum of the Daleks, A Town Called Mercy, Snowmen, Bells of St. John, Rings of Akhaten, Hide, if you like Jenny, then Crimson Horror. Finally, Name of the Doctor.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I watched all of Eccleston and Tennant's run but none of Smith's, I'm sort of interested in hopping back on with Capaldi so what would you sort of consider "essential viewing" from 11's run?

Most of Series 5 (it was an excellent first Season), half of Series 6 (avoid the Curse of the Black Spot and Night Terrors. If you want really essential, watch the "plot specific" which is Episodes 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 12, and 13), and a selection from Series 7.

Series 7 is easily the weakest because there's a companion switch halfway through, but there's still some good eps in there.

^To the person above, I did not spoil you. Your suggestion is actually a good way they can put both Tennant and Piper in without worrying where they come, I guess...

Season 5: Eleventh Hour, Beast Below, Doctor and Vincent, The Lodger

What the fuck haha that James Corden abomination but not the finale episodes? Or Amy's Choice? Or anything to do with Rory at all? For shame! He won't know what the hell is going on in S6 1-2 if he hasn't watched a good chunk of S5.

 

[V_Arnold]

^To the person above, I did not spoil you. Your suggestion is actually a good way they can put both Tennant and Piper in without worrying where they come, I guess...
.

Well, on that part, you can spoiler it. Use tags. Are they

Spoiler

from the paralell dimension? Clone/Human Doctor plus regular Rose?

What the fuck haha that James Corden abomination but not the finale episodes? Or Amy's Choice? Or anything to do with Rory at all? For shame! He won't know what the hell is going on in S6 1-2 if he hasn't watched a good chunk of S5.

Flexibility! If he likes the Amy-Rory dynamic, he can opt in for more.

 

[Hot Coldman]

The Lodger is a great episode. I hate Corden but he's given the perfect role for his sensibilities there.

Closing Time, ehhhhhh.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Well, on that part, you can spoiler it. Use tags. Are they

Spoiler

from the paralell dimension? Clone/Human Doctor plus regular Rose?

Flexibility! If he likes the Amy-Rory dynamic, he can opt in for more.

Spoiler

We have no idea what time period Tennant or Piper are from

The Amy-Rory dynamic is fucking awesome!

 

[Petrichor]

Hm....
Season 5: Eleventh Hour, Beast Below, Doctor and Vincent, The Lodger
Season 6: Episode 1-2, The Wife of the Doctor, God Complex, Rebel Flesh/Almost People, A Good Man Goes to War, optional: (if you like River) Let us Kill Hitler/Season Finale.
Season 7: Asylum of the Daleks, A Town Called Mercy, Snowmen, Bells of St. John, Rings of Akhaten, Hide, if you like Jenny, then Crimson Horror. Finally, Name of the Doctor.

I have to question any list that contains the rebel flesh / the almost people and not the time of angels / flesh and stone or amy's choice!