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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Fair's fair, that's exactly what it sounds like with the Anniversary Special. Commissioned and budgeted for an hour, but it'll turn out as feature length.

I'd be far from surprised to learn that that was down to Faith Penhale's influence.
They're probably in trouble next series, now the Mill, who did the CG from 2005 through until now, has shut. The Mill was very cheap, and did them a lot of favours as they had deep, long-standing BBC connections. I'm expecting the number of CGI shots and/or the quality to drop, to be honest, because they're probably going to be paying more.
Hasn't Milk risen from the ashes with mostly Mill people? IIRC, it's going to be different in name only.
 
Fair's fair, that's exactly what it sounds like with the Anniversary Special. Commissioned and budgeted for an hour, but it'll turn out as feature length.

I'd be far from surprised to learn that that was down to Faith Penhale's influence.

Probably is her, yeah. Though the fact they're doing a cinema release suggests they had ambitions beyond a simple one hour special, and the budget probably accounted for at least part of that. Worldwide must have given them an extra packet to make the cinema release viable, cost wise. Things like that aren't allowed to impact on the budget of the show - which it would have, as there are different considerations for a cinema screen - unless they're subsidised. I imagine some of that money found its way back into extending the length.

Either way, I'm glad they've finally managed to make it happen again.

Regarding Milk: Yeah, but who knows if they'll actually be working on the next series or if BBC bureaucracy BS will force it elsewhere.
 

mclem

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Fair's fair, that's exactly what it sounds like with the Anniversary Special. Commissioned and budgeted for an hour, but it'll turn out as feature length.

I'd be far from surprised to learn that that was down to Faith Penhale's influence.

Hasn't Milk risen from the ashes with mostly Mill people? IIRC, it's going to be different in name only.

If that happens five more times, there might be some problems with the resulting name.
 

The Technomancer

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Nightmare in Silver is very flawed but oddly enough it has the kind of flaws that I can, for the most part, forgive. I need to think a bit more on why that is when I'm so critical of so much else.

My one major problem is structural: there's not enough sense of progress and then everything wraps up incredibly quickly. For as good as the sequences versus Mr. Clever were I just don't feel there was enough actual advancement towards the Doctor's "victory" (or even some good back and forth) in them
 

bengraven

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Eleven really has to see Amy Pond one last time before he regenerates. She's his first and main companion after all - she literally started his adventure.
 
Eleven really has to see Amy Pond one last time before he regenerates. She's his first and main companion after all - she literally started his adventure.

And... your point? No thankyou. Russel T Davies doesn't run it anymore. The last thing Clara needs is the better companion coming back. Leave her where she is. "Dead".
 

Savitar

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I'm tired of the Doctors having any real proper goodbye, one aspect I liked of the old shows was how it seemed more often than not the Doctor was "killed" only to regenerate soon after. He seldom had a chance to say good bye or have some silly little sad moment.
 

maharg

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Eleven really has to see Amy Pond one last time before he regenerates. She's his first and main companion after all - she literally started his adventure.

No thank you. I was ok with pretty much ONLY the Rose callback at the end of the 10th, but only because it had been so long and it was a disjointed encounter.
 
No thank you. I was ok with pretty much ONLY the Rose callback at the end of the 10th, but only because it had been so long and it was a disjointed encounter.

So long since... the end of Season 4? Russel T Davies took the excellent ending of Doomsday and just smushed it. He plain smushed it.
 
The fill circle thing with Rose at the end was amazing, and perfect. She shouldn't have been in Series 4 at all. A big mistake.

Similarly big, really - I think Amy should've been ended in Series 6. If you imagine the end of that; she thinks he's dead, everything snaps back into place, the scene with River in the garden - I think it would've been wonderful if that'd been the end. If after all the events of that series, deeply personal ones, the Doctor decided one way or another he was going to stop seeing them for their own sake.

Or some contrived space-time reason why due to them witnessing his death and not being a direct part of events like River he couldn't see them ever again.

Point is, though, I think Clara would've benefited greatly from being in all of Series 7 and having a full series with Matt. It would've given a nice bit of breathing room for Amy, as well - and I think it would've been great if the time the Doctor went back and landed in her garden when she was a kid was when mortally wounded, ala Rose; going back to see her one more time, full circle, again. May've been a bit close to the Rose thing, though, I guess.
 
Point is, though, I think Clara would've benefited greatly from being in all of Series 7 and having a full series with Matt. It would've given a nice bit of breathing room for Amy, as well - and I think it would've been great if the time the Doctor went back and landed in her garden when she was a kid was when mortally wounded, ala Rose; going back to see her one more time, full circle, again. May've been a bit close to the Rose thing, though, I guess.

Definitely. We got 5 episodes with very little character development. I guess you could argue Clara Oswin/Oswin Oswald, but they weren't her really. That much is evident. Name of the Doctor was amazing, but imagine if Clara had been around for a full series, we'd have been so much more emotionally invested!
 
Definitely. We got 5 episodes with very little character development. I guess you could argue Clara Oswin/Oswin Oswald, but they weren't her really. That much is evident. Name of the Doctor was amazing, but imagine if Clara had been around for a full series, we'd have been so much more emotionally invested!

The thing is, the Oswin character in Asylum wasn't even scripted as Clara - her first appearance was due to be The Snowmen - but when Moffat realized Jenna was available earlier, he scoured through the 7a episodes for someone who'd fit as a Clara, and there was an obvious choice.

So that wasn't even really part of the 'plan', per se. The twist would've been her dying in The Snowmen, and all of us going "But how?! She's in more episodes in a few months!" in the same way.

When he added her to Asylum, then, he wanted to make the Victorian Clara the actual companion, with her home base being the two kids she was looking after there, rather than the kids we got now. And she would've been more deeply involved with Jenny/Strax/etc, because she'd be living near them when she wasn't with the Doctor... and then he got cold feet presumably about having a non-contemporary companion and went back to killing her in The Snowmen again.

It seems the plans were in flux quite a bit!
 

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Point is, though, I think Clara would've benefited greatly from being in all of Series 7 and having a full series with Matt. It would've given a nice bit of breathing room for Amy, as well - and I think it would've been great if the time the Doctor went back and landed in her garden when she was a kid was when mortally wounded, ala Rose; going back to see her one more time, full circle, again. May've been a bit close to the Rose thing, though, I guess.

I think I said it before in here, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they originally wanted to do, by the time Smith leaves we would have had him for 4 years but only 3 proper series due to the way they have ended up splitting the series.

Instead of leaving half way through the series and splitting it up as 7a and 7b, Amy would have left at the end instead making way for a full series of Clara that would have lead into the 50th.
 

The Technomancer

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When he added her to Asylum, then, he wanted to make the Victorian Clara the actual companion, with her home base being the two kids she was looking after there, rather than the kids we got now. And she would've been more deeply involved with Jenny/Strax/etc, because she'd be living near them when she wasn't with the Doctor... and then he got cold feet presumably about having a non-contemporary companion and went back to killing her in The Snowmen again.

It seems the plans were in flux quite a bit!

Auuuuuuugh
 
That's why The Crimson Horror was where it was, by the way - when it was first commissioned by Moffat for the series it was meant to be Clara's 'return home' episode, immediately followed by taking the kids on a trip...
 
Bump for some news updates...

Neil Cross, writer of The Rings of Akhaten, is to return for Series 8:
"I am going back," Cross said. "I have got story ideas tucked away, but if I told you about them I would have to kill you. There's a whole bunch of stuff I want to do. Steven is clearly very busy with the 50th anniversary special and Christmas special, but I have to find out from Steven what his intentions for the Doctor are and what sort of stories he wants me to write."

"I am really excited about writing for Peter Capaldi, and equally sad not to have the opportunity to write for Matt Smith again. I think Matt Smith has been the most outstanding Doctor to date."

"I am familiar with Peter Capaldi's work and I am looking forward to it. Peter has presence on the screen. I think he's an outstanding choice. There's something about his physicality, his image, his wit, that evokes the Doctor. There's something about him that evokes classic Doctor Who."

Also very likely writing for the series alongside Cross is Jack Lothian, who writes Shameless, who straight up listed an episode of Doctor Who on his writing credits on his website. It was listed as a Smith episode, but was obviously pushed out of Series 7 and will probably now be rewritten. He'll be a newcomer to the series. Chibnall said Moffat had pitched him a Series 8 story to do but he "hadn't decided" if he was taking it or not about six months ago.

Series 8 Casting: Website with a rocky but sometimes reliable track record is saying that the BBC has put out a casting call to agents looking for somebody to play
a young, attractive male companion and a love interest for Clara. They're describing the role as "semi" regular, ala Rory. This makes sense, as they can cast somebody young and pretty to satisfy that audience. It'll also provide a potential natural end for Clara when the time comes - she could just fall in love and leave to live that life.

Some scheduling stuff: They're starting to film Series 8 in January. So it sounds like Jenna's comments about there being a 'big gap' are going to ring true - it probably won't start to air until Autumn 2014 earliest.

Nick Briggs (Dalek voices) talking about the scale of the 50th. From a radio interview and certainly not spoilery info, but spoilered just in case for the sensitive:
"There were some big, big explosions. The biggest explosions I've ever seen on Doctor Who when they were shooting the bits with the Daleks. And I suddenly got a feeling of what it might be like to be in a warzone, because I'm talking about an explosion of that boat going past us on the Thames And yet when it goes off you actually feel the percussion of hitting you and the warmth ... heat on your face... that is terrifying. .... The setups with the Daleks are the most spectacular, ambitious setups I've ever worked on on Doctor Who.. it's just like being in a huge movie. It was enormous. There was rubble everywhere"

Jenna on series 8 - Clara might have some character in her after all: "I'm very excited ... that we can actually get the more human side. We couldn't get to know too much about her because she was a mystery last year. It's going to be nice just to have her as a human, as a girl. There's quite a lot to explore still, I think"
 
If Cross hones the clear Who-writing promise he showed in both his episodes last series, he could turn out something quite special. Pipe dream I know, but it'd be quite something if he could bring in a more family-friendly version of Luther's vibe.
 
I think more interesting than the writer news is that little piece of Series 8 casting stuff. Hope that story unfolds differently this time from the other times we've seen it in New Who.

Notice that the 9th, 10th and 11th Destiny of the Doctor stories have been announced.

9th: New Vegas, 23rd Century - a sprawling city huddling inside an artificial atmospheric bubble on a distant moon. Pleasure seekers flock there from every corner of the galaxy, to take in the shows and play the tables in the huge casinos. But beneath the glitz and the glitter, organised crime rules the streets. Whilst Rose Tyler works as a waitress in the Full Moon nightclub, Jack Harkness poses as a reporter for the Daily Galaxy. Meanwhile the Doctor is helping the police department with their investigation into The Whisper, a strange vigilante who has been terrorising the city's underworld. But the Doctor is also on a mission of his own - to save Police Chief McBain's life at all costs. Nicholas Briggs - the voice behind the Daleks - and John Schwab perform this original story by Cavan Scott and Mark Wright, with music and sound design.

10th and 11th haven't had synopsis text released, but they're being read by Catherine Tate (Donna) and Jenna Coleman (Clara) respectively. The Tenth Doctor's is called Death's Deal, and the 11th's is called The Time Machine.

9th story sounds lovely. The novels they put out of the period between The Doctor Dances and Boom Town where Jack, Rose and the Doctor are all together are some of the best extended universe stuff, as they're a great little crew together. Shame they didn't have more screen time.

These, along with the children's books this year, will be the first new 9th/10th Doctor stories since they retired from the role, as the BBC licensing forbids any extended universe new Who stuff for anyone but the current Doctor. Weird to think we've probably had the last of the Eleventh Doctor books, too.
 
Bump for some news updates...

Neil Cross, writer of The Rings of Akhaten, is to return for Series 8:




Nick Briggs (Dalek voices) talking about the scale of the 50th. From a radio interview and certainly not spoilery info, but spoilered just in case for the sensitive:
"There were some big, big explosions. The biggest explosions I've ever seen on Doctor Who when they were shooting the bits with the Daleks. And I suddenly got a feeling of what it might be like to be in a warzone, because I'm talking about an explosion of that boat going past us on the Thames And yet when it goes off you actually feel the percussion of hitting you and the warmth ... heat on your face... that is terrifying. .... The setups with the Daleks are the most spectacular, ambitious setups I've ever worked on on Doctor Who.. it's just like being in a huge movie. It was enormous. There was rubble everywhere"

This sounds really exciting. And Nick Briggs is awesome, I love so much the Daleks becuase of his voice and the nervous pitch they always have. The Spanish dub is really good for the main cast, but the Dalek voices are simply horrendous and I cant watch their episodes because of that, I wanted to watch the first series this time in spanish, becuase the 9th doctor, Jack and Rose have amazing voice actors, and I simply couldnt becuase of the monster voices, specially the Daleks. That and the translation being bad.
 

Axiom

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I wore a new suit to my sisters engagement party and covertly brought a sonic screwdriver with me.
It was a brown suit, I couldn't resist.

Her fiancé got a big kick out of it.
 

Petrichor

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Tom Macrae hinted heavily that he had written a story for series 7 before neil gaiman's episode was confirmed so its likely that that one will also have been bumped to series 8 rather than being shelved altogether.

Gatiss and Whithouse are probably a given at this juncture (Whithouse claimed that he had to know about clara for script writing purposes prior to her reveal so maybe he was writing an episode for series 7b that has now been delayed until season 8?

Hopefully chibnall is too busy...

Assuming Moffat only writes two episodes for season 8 (beyond indoldent but hardly unprecedented), that's still 6 writers left.
 
Despite being non-committal, I think Chibnall is a given.

Gatiss might actually miss out this time, depending on the timing of him being in Game of Thrones. He's a regular on that, so that + managing Sherlock Series 4 (where Moffat helps, but Gatiss is the one who does most of the Producery stuff because Moffat's on Who) might kick him away from Who from the year.
 
Despite being non-committal, I think Chibnall is a given.

Gatiss might actually miss out this time, depending on the timing of him being in Game of Thrones. He's a regular on that, so that + managing Sherlock Series 4 (where Moffat helps, but Gatiss is the one who does most of the Producery stuff because Moffat's on Who) might kick him away from Who from the year.

Won't Chibnall be busy with Broadchurch series two?
 
Won't Chibnall be busy with Broadchurch series two?

That was why he was non-committal in the interview - he said Moffat had asked him to do Series 8 but he hadn't decided if he was going to do it as he was very busy with Broadchurch Series 2, but I bet he will. He still did Who while he was 2nd in command on Torchwood and while basically running United and Law & Order UK. I think when push comes to shove he won't be able to say no.
 
Yeah you're right. It really sucks. I don't get it-it's a popular show, new episodes mean the opportunity for new merchandise....

It's very complicated politics, which I'm sure APZ could explain really well. I just want whoever was responsible for the season split shot. It's been nothing but bad news as far as the overall flow of the show is concerned.
 
It's very complicated politics, which I'm sure APZ could explain really well. I just want whoever was responsible for the season split shot. It's been nothing but bad news as far as the overall flow of the show is concerned.

This is really the problem overall-because it's not really a split season-even though that's how they're disguising it. It's their way to making 2 full seasons over the course of 3 calendar years. If they truly did a split season every year-6 in the spring, 6 in the fall-I'd be ok with that. But the splits are getting further apart-and then the time between actual "Series" are getting further apart.

Asylum of the Daleks aired September 1, 2013-nearly one year since the previous season ended on October 1, 2011.

now-not counting the specials-we're looking at a gap from The Name of the Doctor on May 18, 2013 to Fall 2014.

what the hell?
 
A lot of it comes down to production issues up top. It seems the current production company genuinely has a problem with the pace. Series 5 they managed it because they had an extended run-up due to the specials still rolling production at the same time.

There's a lot of stuff and scandal behind it all. None of it is absolutely confirmed, but enough smoke in a lot of cases that it seems there was fire to go along with it. Like, Beth Willis and Piers Wenger seemed to oversee on some budget disasters during Series 5 and Series 6 both.

Willis allegedly hired her boyfriend to the production team temporarily and took him out abroad for the filming of Vampires of Venice, then decided to stay out there after the BBC paid for the flights to have a little holiday! This, allegedly, is why she jumped before she was pushed, and went back to her previous job for an external production company. Wenger was allegedly a bit of an arsehole. Two of the lower-level producers left, supposedly due to Wenger/Willis treating them poorly during S5 filming. They were series stalwarts - one had been with the show since Eccleston, another since Series 3. Wenger and Willis left within a month of each other (telling!) and were at that point he only two top-flight Who production staff to not be massively promoted - Willis went back to her old Job and Wenger got shuffled sideways after series 6 was over.

While the official line is the split was a conscious decision to help the show internationally (and make kids have 'less of a wait' domestically) it's been widely reported it was due to a colossal budget fuck-up that forced the BBC to spread the cost of the series across multiple periods. Allegedly the series had to be rewritten and rejigged to accommodate this.

Then there were more producers, and it's been musical chairs ever since. Then Moffat allegedly had a row with the replacement of Wenger/Willis, Caroline Skinner, and threw her into a crack in time (Private Eye reported that at a BBC Worldwide party, the row became loud and noticeable, and Moffat stormed out after shouting "You are erased from Doctor Who!!" at her - the next week she resigned. She didn't appear in the post-titles credits in 7b despite working on it) - and she worked on everything up to and including the 50th, which she left midway through production. Some people claim the topic of those fights is linked to the reason Eccleston turned down the 50th after initially agreeing in a preliminary fashion.

So they're settling in with another all-new top-end team around Moffat now for Series 8, which supposedly isn't going to start filming 'til January. Settling all that is probably difficult, plus Moffat's commitments to Sherlock.

It is a bit weird, though, to think what we got before. Cast your mind back to the ancient year 2008, where we had:
  • 13 Episodes of Doctor Who
  • A Doctor Who Christmas Special
  • 13 Episodes of Torchwood
  • 12 Episodes of Sarah Jane Adventures
  • 14 Episodes of Doctor Who Confidential
  • A podcast commentary featuring cast & crew on the website immediately after every episode of Who/Torchwood, Plus a full 13 all-new commentaries on the DVD
and right now seems a bit pathetic/grim by comparison. The commentary thing in particular naffs me off, as a being a commentary/behind-the-scenes nerd it irritates me we've never had Smith commentate one of his performances, and his era DVD sets have commentary tracks for less than half the episodes. What happened?!
 

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All of Capaldi's quotes are very interesting.

Like, Smith -- when he was cast, he was cast because of what his take on the character was when he walked into the audition, really. Smith had a very strong idea of what he wanted the role to be when he took it. Indeed, his take-away quote from his first DWM bit was "I'm going to do it my way" - but Capaldi seems to have not been cast for a particular vision of the character, but for what he can bring overall. They're only now figuring out what his take on the character will be. Which is interesting, and different.
 
I'd never seen these before: 11th costume try outs.


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I like the top one, but it's a bit too Sherlock/Luther. The ones towards the end are a bit too Pete Doherty.
 

mjc

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Top one would have looked very sharp. I see why they went with the suspenders and graph-paper button up shirt, and that works, but he would have looked damn cool with that coat.
 
Damn those costumes are all terrible.

So just tried showing Who to my parents, starting with Rose... big mistake. It's aged like milk. I was almost embarrassed by the burping wheelie bin. It's also pretty funny how the first episode we got was essentially a Doctor-lite... making it boring for most involved. I remember actually not being interested in the show till Dalek. So I'm trying that next.
 
Damn those costumes are all terrible.

So just tried showing Who to my parents, starting with Rose... big mistake. It's aged like milk. I was almost embarrassed by the burping wheelie bin. It's also pretty funny how the first episode we got was essentially a Doctor-lite... making it boring for most involved. I remember actually not being interested in the show till Dalek. So I'm trying that next.

I recently showed my parents seasons 5 and 6. That worked well. We'll try looping back to Eccleston next. It helps that my mother watched it back in the Tom Baker days.
 

gabbo

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I recently showed my parents seasons 5 and 6. That worked well. We'll try looping back to Eccleston next. It helps that my mother watched it back in the Tom Baker days.
I tried getting my dad into it when I was on a rewatch of NuWho between season 6 and 7, and didn't really win him over like it thought it would. Which is odd given his love of shows like Ancient Aliens, where the stories are even goofier/stupider and meant to be taken seriously.

Maybe Capaldi being a bit older [, and hopefully a bit less whimsical and naive than Smith] could do the trick.
 
Damn those costumes are all terrible.

So just tried showing Who to my parents, starting with Rose... big mistake. It's aged like milk. I was almost embarrassed by the burping wheelie bin. It's also pretty funny how the first episode we got was essentially a Doctor-lite... making it boring for most involved. I remember actually not being interested in the show till Dalek. So I'm trying that next.

I've been telling people that. They remember Rose with "rose colored glasses" if you will. It's incredbily silly-and most people are off put by it. This isn't a knock against Eccelston-mind you. It's just not a particularly good starter episode for most people who have had their tastes honed through modern television in the past decade.
 
I've been telling people that. They remember Rose with "rose colored glasses" if you will. It's incredbily silly-and most people are off put by it. This isn't a knock against Eccelston-mind you. It's just not a particularly good starter episode for most people who have had their tastes honed through modern television in the past decade.

I'm really not surprised Eccleston reportedly raged against all the CBBC-esque shit, you can imagine how painful some of the shtick in S1E1 was for him to film as a classically trained actor.

I did consider starting with S5 but... then River Song, what the fuck do you do about her? And then just all the little playful references, and the few and far between excellent RTD led episodes... it's worth it. I don't know. I'll show them Eleventh Hour and see if their tune changes.
 
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