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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Alphahawk

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I just had a thought. With the pace of the episodes so far, I don't believe the Ponds will be gone after episode five. I'm almost positive they'll be back for 12 and/or 13. I know the next two seem very Pond-focused, and though something major will happen, I just think they're too involved with the Silence not to be there at the end of that story. Considering they were able to hide JLC's early appearance, it's conceivable that the "final scene" for Karen and Arthur hasn't quite been filmed yet.

I forgot where I saw it but some interview asked about Amy and Rory leaving and Moffat's response was like "The Pond's storyline is far from over." Of course within the context of the answer it made it sound like it was going to be a major focal point in these next few episodes. but I wonder...
 

HolyCheck

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ok so we have

title screen gets darker every week
dr is involved in some kind of classical music composition lots
people forgetting the doctor
electricity flickering

what else?
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
I don't remember this at all. At least I don't think. I might've just blocked it out of my memory because from what I'm reading that sounds really dumb.
It happens in Flesh and Stone when Amy has to get to the control room without opening her eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8rgLNHiGS8

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Christmas being bought up a few times I think as well

Yeah, the Christmas thing is jumping out at me, particularly as Jenna joins in the Christmas episode.

I watched The Vampires of Venice the other day, and what immediately jumped out at me was how much the scale of Moffat's version has been raised. I mean, in that episode, thousands of lives are threatened and Venice is on the verge of flooding, but it just doesn't feel like it matters. Ditto Victory of the Daleks; we're faced with the rise of a new Dalek Empire, and all they do is turn London's lights on and set up a ludicrously-easily defused bomb. By contrast, A Town Called Mercy swings around saving a small amount of lives, and most of the episode deals with one life, but the stakes feel much higher and the threat is way more tangible. Ditto Asylum.

Also, the CGI, having dipped significantly for most of Moffat's first year, is genuinely excellent by any comparison now. Compare the CGI of Asylum or Dinosaurs to that of the Doctor walking up the tower in Vampires; there's no comparison at all.
 
Terrible decision. the monster unseen is scarier.

I agree in principle, but the actual moment was exceptionally well done. I don't know if it was because of the performance of the actresses, the direction or the editing, but I found the Angels moving the creepiest thing in that episode.
 
ok so we have

title screen gets darker every week
dr is involved in some kind of classical music composition lots
people forgetting the doctor
electricity flickering

what else?

Is there a hidden arc I am unaware of? Please explain :p

Also, nice to have mention of The Master this week.
 

marrec

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Is there a hidden arc I am unaware of? Please explain :p

Also, nice to have mention of The Master this week.

Moffat has included something to do with the main antagonist/storyline in every episode of every series (Doctor Who anyway) he's worked on so far so we're trained to look for repeating themes/images.
 
It's the flickering lightbulbs that intrigue me. No way was all the lights shorting when the Doctor picked up Kahler-Jax's cable a coincidence.

Maybe the Doctor wasn't as immune to the Daleks' nanocloud as we thought? Might explain his more aggressive behaviour since, and the lightbulbs shorting.

The darker intro sequence is fascinating.

I'm torn as to whether that's a hint, or the production team being unable to leave it alone.

The title and writer credit in A Town Called Mercy was white, whereas it had been black previously.
 
It's the flickering lightbulbs that intrigue me. No way was all the lights shorting when the Doctor picked up Kahler-Jax's cable a coincidence.

Maybe the Doctor wasn't as immune to the Daleks' nanocloud as we thought? Might explain his more aggressive behaviour since, and the lightbulbs shorting.



I'm torn as to whether that's a hint, or the production team being unable to leave it alone.

The title and writer credit in A Town Called Mercy was white, whereas it had been black previously.

My god... DoctorDalek :|
 

marrec

Banned
I'm torn as to whether that's a hint, or the production team being unable to leave it alone.

The title and writer credit in A Town Called Mercy was white, whereas it had been black previously.

Ya, I'm not sure. In watching them all just now I don't even know if it is intentional or not. There's a lot of black in the orange during Asylum and Dinosaurs, but there certainly is more during Mercy.

I don't know if I'm looking for a pattern or not though.
 
Well I'm kind stupid. I just realized the Doctos unknown status in the bounty hunters catalog is the result of the first episode and the Doctor being creased from the Daleks memory.

Maybe, but maybe it's because the Doctor's now part-Dalek, and a half-Time Lord half-Dalek has never happened before?
 
I agree in principle, but the actual moment was exceptionally well done. I don't know if it was because of the performance of the actresses, the direction or the editing, but I found the Angels moving the creepiest thing in that episode.

It was creepy for me because it was out of nowhere. Just a nicely edited, tense scene. Then you get this:


And I was done. Turning to my wife going "Oooookay. That just amped up the creep factor!"
 

Jintor

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I'm wondering if I would be more accepting or less accepting of it if it was more strobe-lighty like normal. Eh, it worked out okay.
 

marrec

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I'm wondering if I would be more accepting or less accepting of it if it was more strobe-lighty like normal. Eh, it worked out okay.

In the moment during the episode it was waaay creepy.

Now, removed from the tension of the sequence, it's kind of silly.
 

Jintor

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Well, I didn't really feel it detracted during the episode, it's true. I still cling to my base principle here dearly though.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I think you guys are really reaching with some of this stuff. I'm pretty sure the electricity flickering when the Doctor picked up the wire was supposed to indicate that it was jury rigged and not that he is secretly a Dalek.
 
I think you guys are really reaching with some of this stuff. I'm pretty sure the electricity flickering when the Doctor picked up the wire was supposed to indicate that it was jury rigged and not because he is secretly a Dalek.

I was told I was really reaching when I picked up on the Doctor losing his jacket in Flesh and Stone. :p

You're probably right, but part of the fun of Moffat's Who is trying to fit together the clues.
 

marrec

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I think you guys are really reaching with some of this stuff. I'm pretty sure the electricity flickering when the Doctor picked up the wire was supposed to indicate that it was jury rigged and not because he is secretly a Dalek.

Monday mornings are when GAF is at it's most wild mass guessy.

I was told I was really reaching when I picked up on the Doctor losing his jacket in Flesh and Stone. :p

You're probably right, but part of the fun of Moffat's Who is trying to fit together the clues.

I remember pointing that out to my SO and her being all "It was a production error dude, calm yourself."

I WAS RIGHT GIRL!
 

bengraven

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Again, another week where I love the Ponds but I can't wait until they're gone.

It feels like when you know a breakup is inevitable and despite loving the other person, it's almost too much agony to keep going on, especially when you know you can't fix anything and they're going away anyway.

Next episode seems to basically be "we need to just tell the Doctor to fuck off because we like our new friends better".

Jesus Christ, enough of the divorce, just bring on Jenna.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I was told I was really reaching when I picked up on the Doctor losing his jacket in Flesh and Stone. :p

You're probably right, but part of the fun of Moffat's Who is trying to fit together the clues.

Flesh and Stone was a lot more obvious than that though; it was an entire wardrobe change that would have to be deliberate. Plus the staging was deliberately weird (we see the Doctor leave, and then two seconds later he has appeared again right next to Amy).

I remember thinking as soon as that section aired that something was different about it.
 

Clegg

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Dalek Doctor seems a bit farfetched to me.

I think there might be something to the flickering lights though.

And theres obviously something going on with all these mentions of Christmas.

Next episode seems to basically be "we need to just tell the Doctor to fuck off because we like our new friends better".
I think it'll be more along the lines of Amy and Rory relizing that they can't travel with the Doctor forever. And they can't keep having him barge in on their lives after being away for so long,.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I do think that there is something related to Dalek girl whose name I don't remember's saying 'Remember me' just before she dies. I think that was both a reference to the viewer and to the Doctor and I think it's going to be important later. But I don't know whether I buy that we have been clued in on what it could have meant yet.
 

The Technomancer

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I do think that there is something related to Dalek girl whose name I don't remember's saying 'Remember me' just before she dies. I think that was both a reference to the viewer and to the Doctor and I think it's going to be important later. But I don't know whether I buy that we have been clued in on what it could have meant yet.

Well we do know she's the later companion in some form or another
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
I hope Oswin's return doesn't come down to Christmas magic un-Daleking her. And if the Doctor meets her in a previous point in time I hope the Alaska crash isn't averted either as the Dalek-wide memory wipe she caused at the end was kind of a big deal.
 

ryan-ts

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And if the Doctor meets her in a previous point in time I hope the Alaska crash isn't averted either as the Dalek-wide memory wipe she caused at the end was kind of a big deal.

That would be the point though, Doctor Who would have to sacrifice his anonymity to save her life. Would he be willing to give up the memory wipe in order to prevent the crash?

I don't think it will happen but the groundwork would be there. Doctor Who keeps making questionable moral decisions so I could see a situation where he's given the chance to save Oswins life but decides to let her go. He believes having the edge on the Daleks is more important then her life. Rory and Amy then give the Doctor shit for his choice because Oswin already saved his life. After a moment of clarity he decides to change the future and the girl is saved.
 
That would be the point though, Doctor Who would have to sacrifice his anonymity to save her life. Would he be willing to give up the memory wipe in order to prevent the crash?

I don't think it will happen but the groundwork would be there. Doctor Who keeps making questionable moral decisions so I could see a situation where he's given the chance to save Oswins life but decides to let her go. He believes having the edge on the Daleks is more important then her life. Rory and Amy then give the Doctor shit for his choice because Oswin already saved his life. After a moment of clarity he decides to change the future and the girl is saved.

Which would also bring the Silence back into the picture.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
That would be the point though, Doctor Who would have to sacrifice his anonymity to save her life. Would he be willing to give up the memory wipe in order to prevent the crash?

I don't think it will happen but the groundwork would be there. Doctor Who keeps making questionable moral decisions so I could see a situation where he's given the chance to save Oswins life but decides to let her go. He believes having the edge on the Daleks is more important then her life. Rory and Amy then give the Doctor shit for his choice because Oswin already saved his life. After a moment of clarity he decides to change the future and the girl is saved.
Good points, I can see it happening along those lines. At a superficial level I wouldn't like what happened to Oswin in Asylum being simply prevented, but I'll be on board depending on the stakes and execution.

I have faith Moffat will come up with something that will leave me satisfied, I'm just a bit wary that since it looks like it will happen in the Christmas special the resolution may go a tad overboard on the schmalz, and even though I throughly enjoyed both previous Christmas specials it's sounding like this one will deal with more character-defining stuff. We'll see.

On the other hand, I just want JLC back on-screen as soon as possible. Lol.

Things I have noticed so far that are a running theme:

The opening credits are getting darker each episode.
Flickering lightbulbs
Amy telling the Doctor that he shouldn't be alone and then telling 'lulz never mind, take us home!' at the end of the episode.
No one knowing who the Doctor is, and people using the word Doctor as a man of medicine.

The thing that interests me most are th darker credits and the lightbulbs. Something super dark is going to happen?
Also, Christmas being mentioned in every episode so far. About the Amy thing, it may seem contradictory that she says he needs their company then just going lol bye, but I don't think she's proposing the Doctor to travel alone with those end of episode remarks. It's definitely leading to something though. Quoting myself:

Amy saying "oh, come pick us up after a few months" in Dinosaurs and Mercy isn't supposed to suggest the Doctor should travel by himself, just that he should drop them and immediately fast forward the TARDIS to sometime later to get them back again, so they have time to sort real life stuff. What she doesn't notice (for now) is that what's an off-hand comment to her is affecting the Doctor in a bigger way, and instead of doing it in 5 minutes like she expects he's probably going off by himself for a while when she says that.
 

gabbo

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Things I have noticed so far that are a running theme:
No one knowing who the Doctor is, and people using the word Doctor as a man of medicine.

Psst. Don't call him Doctor Who :p

But yeah, agree very much about questionable moral decisions. He's very much getting darker.

This isn't out of character with the Doctor, just the past couple of Doctors
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Fuu, you might be right about that, but the way it's being done makes it seem like we should pay attention. Also, I totally forgot to List the Christmas thing Gah.
Ah I agree. It's definitely affecting the Doctor in a way Amy and Rory aren't noticing, I'm looking forward to what it's building up to. It seems like the next episode will touch on that. I'm liking how thematic the connections between episodes are so far in this season.
 

hamchan

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Maybe the Doctor wasn't as immune to the Daleks' nanocloud as we thought? Might explain his more aggressive behaviour since, and the lightbulbs shorting.

Well this would blow my mind.

Anyways I haven't really be feeling these past two eps. Definitely feels weird compared to previous seasons, which is what they might be going for.

Oh I just realized a thing that made it feel kinda weird for me this season. There seems to not be much small talk or buildup to an adventure this season. Like, it just dumps us, the audience, straight into his adventure, feels weird. It made the season opener feel like a random standalone episode. Maybe they're trying to get us to feel what the Ponds are feeling now.

Also the title screen getting darker is extremely fascinating. Even if I don't like the individual episodes I feel that the little moments in it like the Doctor getting angry, forgetting things or just not being himself, could add up to something great.
 
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