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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
A damn scary Master. Like Jacobi would have been. We need a very strong, authoritative presence. to play The Master. Cmon, think about it. You know he is badass because of his name. The Doctor sounds cool and all, but when a man takes the name The Master, you know he means business!

It's in his original catchphrase. "I am the Master, and you will obey me." You will obey him, unless you can resist his hypnosis like Jo Grant managed to one episode.
 
We got our over the top, crazy Master with John Simm, and it worked on the first go round. Now I want my cold, deliberate, commanding Master. Hell, Jacobi nailed in the few moments he played it.
 

The Technomancer

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We got our over the top, crazy Master with John Simm, and it worked on the first go round. Now I want my cold, deliberate, commanding Master. Hell, Jacobi nailed in the few moments he played it.

Yeah, unlike some people I think Simm did a good job with the Master (at least in The Sound of Drums) at seeming both totally in control and absolutely insane, but I'd definitely want a more cold and deliberate character this time around.
 
Yeah, unlike some people I think Simm did a good job with the Master (at least in The Sound of Drums) at seeming both totally in control and absolutely insane, but I'd definitely want a more cold and deliberate character this time around.

He was fucking awesome in series 3. As you said, the perfect balance of control and insanity. But during the specials he was a joke. So horrible.
 

Mariolee

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Like I've said before, haven't seen much of Tennant's run, but it seems from what I've watched that the Master John Simm and RTD tried to pull off was what Moffat's Moriarty mastered. That whole calm, but can snap in a second type thing.
 
With the rumors for a bit that Cumberbatch was playing Khan in Star Trek, that is how I envision his Master being. Calm, focused on a singular purpose. But could snap at any second. But it is the one line that you can change to make it work for The Master:
"I have done worse than kill you, Doctor. I have hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you."
 

The Technomancer

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Like I've said before, haven't seen much of Tennant's run, but it seems from what I've watched that the Master John Simm and RTD tried to pull off was what Moffat's Moriarty mastered. That whole calm, but can snap in a second type thing.

They feel subtly different to me. Moffat's Moriarty felt like a psychopath and a sociopath, but he was in control of both his surroundings and himself. S3 Master felt like he genuinely had a screw loose: he was in complete control of everything around him, but he wasn't in control of himself, and he recognized it, and it scared him. I thought it was cool.
I'm not a fan of Moffat's Moriarty, but that's another story.
 
They feel subtly different to me. Moffat's Moriarty felt like a psychopath and a sociopath, but he was in control of both his surroundings and himself. S3 Master felt like he genuinely had a screw loose: he was in complete control of everything around him, but he wasn't in control of himself, and he recognized it, and it scared him. I thought it was cool.
I'm not a fan of Moffat's Moriarty, but that's another story.

I wasn't until Reichenbach Fall. But I am also not as completely in love as many others. I REALLY liked him in that, but not to the "OMFG!" level many others were.
 

The Technomancer

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I wasn't until Reichenbach Fall. But I am also not as completely in love as many others. I REALLY liked him in that, but not to the "OMFG!" level many others were.

I think he's a great character, but he's not really what I wanted from "Moriarty". I wanted more of a criminal kingpin, a true underworld king with a worldwide vision for crime.
 

Quick

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Moffat's Moriarty was pretty creepy, like Fiction said. Just an oddball type that seems ready to explode at any moment, but somehow maintains his composure through it all.
 
The Power of Three clip.

Also, the potential clash between The Angels Take Manhattan and The X Factor has been averted. ITV ran out of the way, putting The X Factor at 8, and fucking up their schedule for the night as a result.
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WanderingWind

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Caught up to the Western episode finally. I think I'm behind an episode from everybody else, but I just want to say that this season is off to a fantastic start. Didn't really like the Doctor wanting to use a gun all the sudden, but other than that the episodes have been fun and very, very entertaining.

Oh, and the little scare about Rory and Amy was crap, too. But they fixed that right up.
 

Quick

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Sounds like the Indiana Jones set I got yesterday. Discs are a pain in the ass to take out of their sleeves.

It's not overly difficult, but difficult nonetheless.

I do still like the packaging overall, though. MUCH better than the Jurassic Park and Back to the Future set packaging. The Avatar Extended Collector's Edition Blu-ray does it best, by keeping the book-style packaging, but having the discs on a sliding paper tray on each page for easy access.

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And I think it's a shame that The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Blu-rays are in a regular BD case inside such nice packaging.
 
Caught up to the Western episode finally. I think I'm behind an episode from everybody else, but I just want to say that this season is off to a fantastic start. Didn't really like the Doctor wanting to use a gun all the sudden, but other than that the episodes have been fun and very, very entertaining.

Oh, and the little scare about Rory and Amy was crap, too. But they fixed that right up.

Western episode is the last episode that aired.
 
Rewatching Human Nature/Family of Blood/Blink, and the scene where the Family "recruits" Father and Daughter makes me laugh. The music in that scene is just terribly silly.
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Western episode is the last episode that aired.

Ah. Pretty decent episode. Kinda feels like they liked the Stetson joke and decided to see how far they could stretch that. Doctor is acting a bit weird, but I'm guessing that is leading to something. Definitely a monster of the week type episode.
 

maharg

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Rewatching Human Nature/Family of Blood/Blink, and the scene where the Family "recruits" Father and Daughter makes me laugh. The music in that scene is just terribly silly.

I know Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.
 

Quick

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I know it's Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

In retrospect, Vale Decem was over dramatic and a bit ridiculous.

However, This Is Gallifrey remains one of his best pieces.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
I know it's Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

My only issue is that it can overtake the dialogue. Audio levels are your friends!
I really do like "I Am the Doctor" because it reminds me of prog and symphonic metal.

In retrospect, Vale Decem was over dramatic and a bit ridiculous.

However, This Is Gallifrey remains one of his best pieces.

Oh and Vale Decem was way too over the top. I'll agree to that. You could tell it was trying so hard to pull at heartstrings over the Doctor's "death" when everyone knew he was just going to regenerate. That little music sting at the end of Logopolis had more emotion to it.
 

maharg

idspispopd
My only issue is that it can overtake the dialogue. Audio levels are your friends!
I really do like "I Am the Doctor" because it reminds me of prog and symphonic metal..

I feel like this has always been a general problem with every British show I've watched in the last decade or so. I think it's enveloping (compressing the overall sound into a smaller waveform) of some kind rather than the discrete levels that produce it, though, because sometimes no matter how much you jack up the volume the dialogue is nearly inaudible.
 

gabbo

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I know Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

Then let me be the one to say I don't really care for it, and have really begun to dislike the title themes.
 

ThatObviousUser

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I know Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

Two words: Melody Pond.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
"I am the Doctor" is my crack, even if it plays over a montage of the Doctor making tea it's guaranteed I'll be losing my shit whenever it's used in an episode .
 
Series 7 so far has had great music and the mix is where things really matter.
Am pretty sure Murray Gold didn't always like the final mix (producers chose volume for example - often missing the fact its suppose to be a bit quieter).

Also I love the look of the titles on the Who site, looks cool for Power of Three; but is the formatting off for anyone - I see Doc- Doctor Who, like the same image over itself, then for videos the screen is all tiny.

EDIT: New scene:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00ys5z3

LOVE the music in that!
 
I know Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

I think it's mostly inoffensive. I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Murray, but I certainly don't mind his scores. I think for what the BBC believes Doctor Who is- the big Saturday night show- his music is rather effective. It's gotten better recently, I'd say. The bombast levels at the back end of Tennant's run were a little too high, and it always had a tendency to stick out a bit- Blink's weirdly digital score is the worst example of this, I think.
 
I know Murray Gold's scoring is considered sacrosanct in this thread for the most part, but I don't get why people go so apeshit over the music in modern Who. I think it's mostly ridiculously bombastic or saccharine filler.

I think the music so far this series is his best work on nu-Who.
 
I don't really keep up with fandom of this series though watch it pretty religously... but I guess I'm odd in hating Amy Pond and hoping for a new companion soon? I was ok with her at first but shes just become annoying and is just eye candy it feels like. Hell I would be cool with just Rori.
 

The Technomancer

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I don't really keep up with fandom of this series though watch it pretty religously... but I guess I'm odd in hating Amy Pond and hoping for a new companion soon? I was ok with her at first but shes just become annoying and is just eye candy it feels like. Hell I would be cool with just Rori.

Good news! The new companion is coming after the next couple episodes.
 

hamchan

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I don't really keep up with fandom of this series though watch it pretty religously... but I guess I'm odd in hating Amy Pond and hoping for a new companion soon? I was ok with her at first but shes just become annoying and is just eye candy it feels like. Hell I would be cool with just Rori.

I like Karen Gillan quite a lot but as a character Amy's development is pretty much done. Same with Rory too. It's a great time for them to leave the show.
 
I just recently got done watching Series 2 through to The End of Time again, and I just want to say that on the whole Tennant's entire era is fantastic. While there's a lot wrong with his episodes, too, I really do think Simm's Master is great. The way in which he's more restrained in Last of the Time Lords and is utterly insane and unhinged in The End of Time is a difference I didn't notice as much at the time, but rewatching it's really very profound and also makes a lot of sense.

There's some really brave stuff, too. I mean, god, Turn Left is fucking bleak. What a horrible vision of the world. I think it went over my head at the time because all I and most people could think about was the next two episodes, as we knew what was coming... but it's a really great, dark episode. Likewise, it's really brave how in The Stolen Earth the Doctor doesn't actually even reach the epicentre of the story where everything is going on until about 35 minutes in. Crazy structure.

I jumped straight into Series 5 afterwards, and what is clearer to me now more than then is how much better Moffat's run has become. Series 5 is defined, I think, by stand-out episodes that blow the latter half of RTD's era away, but it also has an overall average which was probably a bit lower than Series 3 and 4. 6 is so much better, and 7 so far is, too.

EDIT: Also, with regards to Karen - I love her as a person, she's funny and cute and hot, but I think Amy's a bit of a vapid bitch. Worst companion of new Who, IMO, even taking into account how 'bad ass' Rose in Series 4 sullies her earlier appearances. She's just an incredibly selfish character so much of the time; it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
 

phisheep

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She's just an incredibly selfish character so much of the time

See what you're saying, but that is kind of in tune with the rather weird childhood traumas she was subjected to. I don't find it at all incredible that she turned out the way she did (and all the more vulnerable for that).
 
I don't really keep up with fandom of this series though watch it pretty religously... but I guess I'm odd in hating Amy Pond and hoping for a new companion soon? I was ok with her at first but shes just become annoying and is just eye candy it feels like. Hell I would be cool with just Rori.

I agree. Amy is awful. Her personality just changes from episode to episode with little in the way of consistency.

Rory is great, though.
 
Well i have to say i'm not really the biggest doctor who fan, i started watching last year with matt smith, had never seen an episode with another doctor.

so i started watching the new run from the beginning. starting with series 1 with christopher eccleston. now if there was ever someone who just did not look the part it was him, but my god is he a way better doctor than matt smith. this is what the doctor should be like, smart, charming, witty, but also intimidating and brutal.

i'm almost finished with season 2 atm and i prefer eccleston's doctor to tennant so far, but this could change if season 3 and 4 are any better obviously. i feel like rose and tennant's doctor are too lovey dovey and light hearted, with eccleston's doctor, whenever rose would screw up, he would certainly let her know about it, called her a pathetic human so many times, just that sort of stuff that lets you know he means BUSINESS.

having said that i do really like tennant's doctor, and the impossible planet/satans pit double parter i just watched was probably the best episode of doctor who i've ever seen (i have yet to watch series 3,4 & 5 yet!).

theres something about these earlier episodes that are way more immersive and terrifying despite their low budgets compared to the new series. "the empty child" in series 1 is a prime example of this. shit effects, but still terrifying.

does anyone else feel the same?
 
Interestingly, speaking of Companion foibles - Episode 11 of Series One was originally an episode with Captain Jack as the lead, with the story about him discovering and dealing with the rather sinister fact that The Doctor had manipulated Rose's childhood in an attempt to make her the 'perfect' companion. This episode is foreshadowed a little in The Doctor joking about things (Who says I'm not, red bike when you were 12?), but the script was over budget and so we got the low-key Boom Town instead.
 
Interestingly, speaking of Companion foibles - Episode 11 of Series One was originally an episode with Captain Jack as the lead, with the story about him discovering and dealing with the rather sinister fact that The Doctor had manipulated Rose's childhood in an attempt to make her the 'perfect' companion. This episode is foreshadowed a little in The Doctor joking about things (Who says I'm not, red bike when you were 12?), but the script was over budget and so we got the low-key Boom Town instead.

That was due to be scripted by Paul Abbott.

What might have been, eh?

Glad they didn't do it, personally.
 

The Real Abed

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Interestingly, speaking of Companion foibles - Episode 11 of Series One was originally an episode with Captain Jack as the lead, with the story about him discovering and dealing with the rather sinister fact that The Doctor had manipulated Rose's childhood in an attempt to make her the 'perfect' companion. This episode is foreshadowed a little in The Doctor joking about things (Who says I'm not, red bike when you were 12?), but the script was over budget and so we got the low-key Boom Town instead.
That sounds like it would have been awesome.


On a subject that would be so awesome that if it happened it would cause messy pants everywhere, Peter Jackson wants to direct an episode of Doctor Who.
http://io9.com/5944751/peter-jackson-wants-to-direct-an-episode-of-doctor-who-make-it-happen-moffat
I'd still like to see J.K. Rowling do an episode. I mean what else is she up to?
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Interestingly, speaking of Companion foibles - Episode 11 of Series One was originally an episode with Captain Jack as the lead, with the story about him discovering and dealing with the rather sinister fact that The Doctor had manipulated Rose's childhood in an attempt to make her the 'perfect' companion. This episode is foreshadowed a little in The Doctor joking about things (Who says I'm not, red bike when you were 12?), but the script was over budget and so we got the low-key Boom Town instead.

That would have been...interesting. I think it would have been a bit darker then I would have liked the character.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
That would have been...interesting. I think it would have been a bit darker then I would have liked the character.
All the more reason for number Nine to die. I mean, Ten was punished in a way as well when he changed history without thinking about what it could do. I guess it could have started a trend where the Doctor must always die once he becomes too corrupt.
 

GSR

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Interestingly, speaking of Companion foibles - Episode 11 of Series One was originally an episode with Captain Jack as the lead, with the story about him discovering and dealing with the rather sinister fact that The Doctor had manipulated Rose's childhood in an attempt to make her the 'perfect' companion. This episode is foreshadowed a little in The Doctor joking about things (Who says I'm not, red bike when you were 12?), but the script was over budget and so we got the low-key Boom Town instead.

The Tumblr Doctor/Rose gifsets instantly become 100% more creepy.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Apparently, there was an unmade Christmas Special that would have starred J.K. Rowling as herself. The premise is that she would have been infected with an alien parasite that would turn her fantasies into reality. The Doctor fighting wizards, witches, and whatever else is in Harry Potter.

Considering all the flack purists give New Who for turning the Sonic Screwdriver into a magic wand, this probably would have given them an aneurysm. Personally I think it sounds way too silly.
 

The Technomancer

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Apparently, there was an unmade Christmas Special that would have starred J.K. Rowling as herself. The premise is that she would have been infected with an alien parasite that would turn her fantasies into reality. The Doctor fighting wizards, witches, and whatever else is in Harry Potter.

Considering all the flack purists give New Who for turning the Sonic Screwdriver into a magic wand, this probably would have given them an aneurysm. Personally I think it sounds way too silly.

Its like the Agatha Christie episode except it would have put Rowling on the same standing as Agatha Christie, so...
 
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