She'll be back for the anniversary, don't kid yourself.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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KuwabaraTheMan
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I really hope not. I'm sick to death of Rose, and if she never showed up again, it would still be too soon. That book is closed.
I'm stoked at some of these big names wanting to get involved in Who. A PJ directed episode would be HNNNNNNNNNGGGG.
Also ditto on J.K. Rowling writing an episode.
Checking up on it, it would have been the 2008 Christmas Special (where "The Next Doctor" happened). It was likely scrapped because of the Agatha Christie episode doing the same thing.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
They go into some in The Writer's Tale. They thought the story idea was too silly, so it was abandoned. I don't think it ever got further along then a "wouldn't be cool if..." idea being kicked around.
Yeah, Rose's fans really soured me on her. I don't hate the character, but I'm sick about hearing about wonderful she is, and how she's the best companion ever and what have you.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
There are fans of Rose?
Unfortunately. Most of them seem to be teenage girls who don't see that Rose is a massive bit...terly unlikable person who does things like get jealous at Sarah Jane, try to make the queen say "We are not amused" in times of crisis, and screw up time by saving her dad.
Oh, but the Doctor pines over her death SHE'S NOT DEAD! She's in a parallel universe living with her mom, dad, and a human clone of the Doctor. She probably got the best fate of any companion. Others were abandoned in the wrong time, had their memories wiped, or DIED.
Sorry, I just don't like Rose, or the fans that pine over her like she's the greatest thing ever.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I did like Rose 2.0 when she actually knew what was going on and was a (seemingly) competent person in her own right. Rose 1.0....bleh
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WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
You never forget your first love.
This is pretty much how I think of it. Not that I adored the shit out of her, but it was sad as hell seeing her and the Doctor on Bad Wolf Bay (the first time). She was my first companion, like Eccleston was my first Doctor.
Nostalgia aside, she isn't the best companion. But you never forget your first.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
I've been guiding my cousin through the new series, and he seems to really like Rose. We had to stop at the end of Series 2 last time he was over because the ending REALLY got to him. I personally think she is merely OK, though.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
There are fans of Martha. They are also known as "People who are wrong" and "Dear God, Why?" And occasionally as "Fish drowners," but that's incredibly specific.
EDIT: I will concede that it is not entirely, or even mostly, Freema Agyeman's fault. No one should ever be asked to portray the sadness of having to watch a fish drown.
I agree. I liked the actress and Martha could have been something more if she was written better.
I'm just saying. Probably gonna happen.
PS Rose sucks
I was trying to find an example of Martha being hot, I ran into these gifs instead:
I remember that scene. What a dick.
WyndhamPrice
Member
At times I found Martha so attractive it was completely distracting from some of the shitty arcs involving her family.
Eteric Rice
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Is this fake? Why is Martha in an episode with 11? D:
Is this fake? Why is Martha in an episode with 11? D:
lol it's fake.
Eteric Rice
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Oh thank God. lol
bearythebear
Member
Meh, Rose fans are just as annoying as Amy fans.
It's the truth.
It's the truth.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Straight male and Martha did absolutely nothing for me.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Martha is the hottest new series companion.
She has nothing on Peri or Zoe, though. Peri is, and always will be, the most attractive companion.
She has nothing on Peri or Zoe, though. Peri is, and always will be, the most attractive companion.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Martha, like basically every complaint I ever have about this show, is an example of missed potential.
The fish drowning was one of the few points in New Who I distinctly remember thinking "this is awful. This is just awful. There is nothing good about this scene."
Martha really didn't need to be along for that episode.
The indian lady from the hotel episode would have made an excellent companion
maybe
I'm just thinking through the multi-doctor episodes - at least, those I'm familiar with. - specifically, which of such episodes also used companions from that doctor's era. I believe The Five Doctors did. And, well, Dimensions in Time did, but the less said about *that*, the better! Not sure which others did.
Of course, I'm making the assumption that the anniversary will *be* a multi-doctor episode, which is in no way guaranteed, but there's a bit of history there.
My point being that even if the character *is* back for the anniversary, it'll may well be more to place the Doctor she accompanies (Presumably Tennant, I'd be shocked if Eccleston did it) in context. And, for that matter, I doubt she'd be back unless one of her 'doctors' was also back... but then, if it is a multi-doctor story, I'd also be shocked if Tennant *wasn't* champing at the bit to be part of it!
grimshawish
Banned
What I hate about Martha is the idea behind her is really sound; We've had the ordinary girl who fell for The Doctor; now heres the medical student (am never sure why she can't be Doctor Jones) whose on par with him.
Unfortunatly even when Martha is running across the world she at no point uses these medical skills. The one point she does is to point out someones racist for thinking a maid isn't a Doctor (okay shes a bit more harsh - still).
Instead RTD takes this amazing and very independent woman and within three episodes. THREE! He turns her into a Doctor loving simpleton who appears to be 13 with no skills, no independent thought and generally no character of her own.
Freema wasn't great, am not sure why she got that job (did they even audition others?) but she was dreadfully mistreated and her character mishandled. RTD in the Writer's Tale says he promised her some eps (evidently she was ahem, cut short as a character) in series 4 to shine. This was suppose to be what became The Doctors Daughter - so bored of Martha was he that he created another character, removed her entirely from the central plot/characters and the writer then did this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5leDhRGZ2g
[ITS A FISH! IT'LL BE FINE!]
Rose is alright, just a bit annoying in series 2. They should have had just a Tate/Tennant finale in series 4 though; everyone just got in the way. I think her 'fans' (or some) end up making people more critical of her retrospectively which is a shame as in series 1 shes genuinely really good.
Its just as soon as New Earth starts shes entirely different and RTD obiously fancies the pants off Tennant so obviously any woman would turn into a bowl of uncontrollable jelly.
It does make me laugh when people complain about Moffat's women
Unfortunatly even when Martha is running across the world she at no point uses these medical skills. The one point she does is to point out someones racist for thinking a maid isn't a Doctor (okay shes a bit more harsh - still).
Instead RTD takes this amazing and very independent woman and within three episodes. THREE! He turns her into a Doctor loving simpleton who appears to be 13 with no skills, no independent thought and generally no character of her own.
Freema wasn't great, am not sure why she got that job (did they even audition others?) but she was dreadfully mistreated and her character mishandled. RTD in the Writer's Tale says he promised her some eps (evidently she was ahem, cut short as a character) in series 4 to shine. This was suppose to be what became The Doctors Daughter - so bored of Martha was he that he created another character, removed her entirely from the central plot/characters and the writer then did this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5leDhRGZ2g
[ITS A FISH! IT'LL BE FINE!]
Rose is alright, just a bit annoying in series 2. They should have had just a Tate/Tennant finale in series 4 though; everyone just got in the way. I think her 'fans' (or some) end up making people more critical of her retrospectively which is a shame as in series 1 shes genuinely really good.
Its just as soon as New Earth starts shes entirely different and RTD obiously fancies the pants off Tennant so obviously any woman would turn into a bowl of uncontrollable jelly.
It does make me laugh when people complain about Moffat's women
googleplex
Member
It is a scientific fact that Donna was the best companion.
This. It's all tell and no show. The show is practically begging you to believe that she's a well defined and strong character in her own right but when it comes time to put the money where the mouth is, she pretty much just swoons and screams. Off the top of my head I think she's strongest in the Family of Blood two parter, but, well, that's not saying too much and it wasn't even really written for her.
APZonerunner
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One of Martha's greatest problems in general was that the first drafts of a lot of Series 3 were written for Rose. She doesn't have as strong a development as Rose or Donna because her arc wasn't as planned, methinks. She's much better the few times she's in series 4, where her appearances were planned and prepared for better, which is telling.
True.
Exterminieren
Banned
Rory wants a word.
A TARDIS team consisting of Eleven, Donna and Rory is the stuff of dreams, though.
googleplex
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googleplex
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More like a bad ass shit talking Centurion Donna, that uses a sword and types 100 words per minute.
The Last Centuritemp?
Hot Coldman
Banned
A TARDIS dream team needs a woman. The reason The Doctor constantly runs off with women isn't because he's some sort of space creeper, it's because they're way more effective at being the yin to his yang. As neat as Rory/Wilf/Eleven would be, I'd probably replace Rory with Amy.
So long as they could swap out from time to time, and River never shows up, I could handle that.
Exterminieren
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Mind you, I think I speak for everyone when I say that I want to see Brian on the TARDIS.
Some form of Eleven/Donna/Wilf/Brian configuration, maybe?
Then again, might be a bit New Tricks.
Some form of Eleven/Donna/Wilf/Brian configuration, maybe?
Then again, might be a bit New Tricks.
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