That would of been awesome.
Has any companion ever got batshit insane like that? Something like that would destroy the doctor mentally.
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That would of been awesome.
Has any companion ever got batshit insane like that? Something like that would destroy the doctor mentally.
Hot Coldman
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Fuck Omega.
"Don't do it Rory!"
"You underestimate my power, Doctor!"
"I have the high ground, don't do it!"
*jump**chop**burning*
"I HATE YOU!"
"You were the chosen one! I loved you!"
DOCTOR WHO EPISODE 4: A NEW POND.
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brucewaynegretzky
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We all hate you.
SquiddyCracker
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If you take the comments 9 made "Rose" about his ears to mean he only recently regenerated from Paul McGann's 8th/the Time War, I would say he had the shortest lifespan, since it only covered a small amount of time.
Hot Coldman
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With all due respect, fuck the master
(in his last incarnation)
Wasted potential. I love John Simm.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Tricky question. It depends on how much stock you put into the Doctor's frequently changing age, whether you count the novels (in which case, it would certainly be Eight), etc.
Probably either One, Eight or Four who had the longest life. Three's life was probably the shortest, given the Earth Exile.
DrForester
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9 had a short life if you take some of his lines in "Rose" to mean that he only very recently regenerated prior to that.
someone get moffat on the line.
EndcatOmega
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There was at least one who went mad in the expanded universe.
But it was Adric, so no-one cared.
This is part of the reason he makes such a good doctor.
He can't go back cause they're horrible characters, and we're getting rid of them finally.
APZonerunner
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The shooting on this show is gruelling. It really does age people. It's more notable in Karen and Matt because they're younger, I suppose, but the same is true of watching Tennant's first series versus later on; he looks ancient by comparison.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Well, there were also all those old photos of him in his current incarnation, so he couldn't have regenerated that recently (I suppose he could have done that all between leaving at the end of the episode and then popping back to mention it was a time machine, but the net time would work out the same).
I could easily see him having regenerated relatively recently, or having been wandering around aimlessly for decades after the end of the Time War.
He doesn't like to travel on foot or in any vehicle other than Tardis. Also, Pods never left NY, no holidays no travels to Hawaii or smth.
They are the best companions in New Who, hands down.
What about when the Doctor drove the big red car with no TARDIS in sight during the Impossible Astronaut? Granted, we didn't see him actually drive the car, but it's implied. Even so, I'm sure he would put aside his dislike of traveling on foot to meet the people he so dearly loves.
And there's no reason to think the Ponds never left NY. I DEMAND MOFFAT REPLY PERSONALLY TO ME NOW.
KuwabaraTheMan
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You are both so wrong.
Karen Gillan is so attractive, and can sort of act.
In Doctor Who you only need to be able to sort of act.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I don't think there's anything really wrong with her acting abilities.
The problem is that Amy has no real consistent character development. Her personality changes (often radically) from episode to episode, and she was never particularly likable. I have no real qualms with what Karen Gillan did in the role, but she was seriously let down by the way her character was written.
Thought Karen was a fantastic actor, especially if you know how spazzy she acts in real life, it's almost amazing to see how well she can play the confident role of Amy.
If you think Rory is a horrible character I can't imagine that you've gone through 6 whole seasons of the show.
I had to IMDB that episode because it was bothering me the whole time why he sounded so familiar!
That's what I did!
I was a bit embarrassed I didn't realise it sooner.
He has a very distinctive voice.
I'm still not sure what these terrible character swings are that Amy has supposedly gone through.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Her personality just seems to change depending on the needs of the episode. The character in Vincent and the Doctor bears little resemblance to the one from The Beast Below, and comparing Amy from The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe to Asylum of the Daleks to Dinosaurs on a Spaceship you see three pretty much radically different characters.
In some episodes she's presented as being shallow and vapid, while in another episode she's apparently an expert on the life of Vincent Van Gogh. In the span of two episodes this year she went from being presented as the most bitter and cynical person on the face of the earth to being a starry eyed optimist looking for the best in everyone.
The only real consistency I can see to Amy's character is that she fits what role the plot requires her to have. Rory has a pretty consistent development across three seasons. River Song (as much as I personally despise the character) remains largely consistent in her personality. Amy doesn't really have any defining traits.
Well that's all pretty vague. I don't think I've ever seen Amy as 'vapid' in any episode, and I definitely saw the same character in all of the episodes you mentioned.
Actually, I'm genuinely really curious. What episode and in what way did Amy seem shallow and vapid to you?
Actually, I'm genuinely really curious. What episode and in what way did Amy seem shallow and vapid to you?
brucewaynegretzky
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The first episode this season immediately springs to mind.
As I've said before, I liked Amy at first, but she definitely overstayed her welcome and became "super-companion" for no real reason other than people thought the actress was hot. She was far too often the center of the story despite the fact that she wasn't even the best companion on the show at the time.
She was totally worth having as a companion for one season with occasional guest appearances. When she started becoming the center of the story over the Doctor (as evidenced by the US intro from last season) it was a problem.
... How so?
KuwabaraTheMan
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Night Terrors is the one that immediately jumps to mind. Amy comes across as completely uncaring in that episode. It's a pretty stark contrast to some of the surrounding ones.
I haven't rewatched any Moffat era stories since they first aired, so my memories of Series 5 in particular aren't the strongest, but I seem to recall her coming across as pretty shallow in the Silurian two parter, The Beast Below, and Curse of the Black Spot. The character appearing in those episodes didn't really seem to bear any resemblance to the one in Vincent and the Doctor or Amy's Choice. I can't really recall all of the specifics of those instances, though.
I just feel like the writing team really dropped the ball on Amy's overall development. Her trying to bone the Doctor the night before her wedding is brushed under the rug within 10 minutes of the next story, and pretty much every episode after that treats Amy and Rory as the greatest love story in history. She gets impregnated and has her baby kidnapped, and this fact is pretty much never mentioned again. She wants to divorce Rory, but everything is fine at the end of the episode and these issues are never mentioned again.
She was shallow in the Beast Below? It was her concern for the people of skylondon that saved them from the Doctor's wrath. I think we must have very different ideas of what constitutes shallow.
Re. the 'boning the doctor' moment, I've always taken that as a direct rebuke of the RTD-era mooney-eyed tardis traveller trope. They wanted to explicitly say right out of the gate "No, this is not happening this time" because given Amy's looks if they hadn't thrown it out the window it would have been there all along. So weird to me that people occasionally act like it was there all along.
Re. the 'boning the doctor' moment, I've always taken that as a direct rebuke of the RTD-era mooney-eyed tardis traveller trope. They wanted to explicitly say right out of the gate "No, this is not happening this time" because given Amy's looks if they hadn't thrown it out the window it would have been there all along. So weird to me that people occasionally act like it was there all along.
GillianSeed79
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The more I think about it, I kind of think Moffat squandered a chance to do something that wasn't so stereotypical or trope-ish when it comes to Dr. Who. A lot of what the theme seemed to be to me at the start of the season was how Amy and Rory were starting to enjoy their real lives together (aside from the divorce part) and that they were getting ready to stop traveling.
I think the better ending would have been at the end of the episdoe Rory and Amy finally deciding that traveling with the doctor was just too dangerous and they should just enjoy their lives together as normal people. I'm sure this has happened before, perhaps with Martha, but simply a scene with the Doctor at the door to the tardis telling them to come on, let's go to the next adventure and Amy and Rory simply saying no. Something like kind of breaking up with the doctor. No memory wipe. Nobody dying. Simply them deciding that's it.
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that even during the whole episode and the promos leading up to it were basically "Watch Amy and Rory's last adventure with the Doctor" and Matt Smith basically saying halfway through the episode in an Inside Dr. Who thing that "Oh, you are going to be so sad."
It just strikes of the stuff people complained about RTD for. How many times have we been beaten over the head with heavy handed forshadowing that traveling with doctor leads to tragedy if you are a companion? I just wish it would have been more different than the cheap, bang, you're zapped back in time never to see the doctor again in the last few seconds. There's an entire, giant loose end with Rory's dad that has been pointed out. It would have been infinitely better if Amy and Rory simply chose to give the doctor up. Simple. Mundane. No deaths. No time energy wiping out New York. It would have been way better and more human.
I think the better ending would have been at the end of the episdoe Rory and Amy finally deciding that traveling with the doctor was just too dangerous and they should just enjoy their lives together as normal people. I'm sure this has happened before, perhaps with Martha, but simply a scene with the Doctor at the door to the tardis telling them to come on, let's go to the next adventure and Amy and Rory simply saying no. Something like kind of breaking up with the doctor. No memory wipe. Nobody dying. Simply them deciding that's it.
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that even during the whole episode and the promos leading up to it were basically "Watch Amy and Rory's last adventure with the Doctor" and Matt Smith basically saying halfway through the episode in an Inside Dr. Who thing that "Oh, you are going to be so sad."
It just strikes of the stuff people complained about RTD for. How many times have we been beaten over the head with heavy handed forshadowing that traveling with doctor leads to tragedy if you are a companion? I just wish it would have been more different than the cheap, bang, you're zapped back in time never to see the doctor again in the last few seconds. There's an entire, giant loose end with Rory's dad that has been pointed out. It would have been infinitely better if Amy and Rory simply chose to give the doctor up. Simple. Mundane. No deaths. No time energy wiping out New York. It would have been way better and more human.
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Holy shit, I never realized....nice.
The worst part is that this is also the natural conclusion to which they had been building. It's like if ASoIaF ends with Dany never ever reaching Westeros. Why did I spend all this time building up to that moment if it was NEVER going to happen?
Future Foundation
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Add Grant Morrison to the list of people who want to work on Who.
Also, according to this CV page, the title for the Part Two opener is called
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Also, according to this CV page, the title for the Part Two opener is called
"The Bells of Saint John"
brucewaynegretzky
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Want, want, want! He should do Who like he does Superman, a benevolent god looking out for our well being.
Ventilaator
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I can't remember for sure who said it about him (In my head it was Moffat), but I still love the description "It's like someone took an attractive man, and then drew a caricature of him."
Clegg said:
Oooooooooohhhhhh. That's where I recognized him from.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I would love to see Morrison write for Doctor Who so much. He's easily one of my favorite comic book writers, and I'm sure he could come up with something completely off the wall.
Ugh, please no. I'm sick of this trend of portraying the Doctor in a godlike way.
Ugh, please no. I'm sick of this trend of portraying the Doctor in a godlike way.
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