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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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really enjoyed the mid series finale, will be sorry to see
amy and rory go
but it was time to move on.

did anyone else think the doctor would snap at the end and kill (can you kill angels?) the angel or maybe destroy it? was somewhat surprised that he didn't especially as I thought the titles getting progressively darker with each episode was leading to a more unhinged doctor. maybe in the second half of the series.
 
(can you kill angels?)
Angels are pretty hard to kill.

In Blink, they all had to be staring at each other to be create a group time-lock.
In the Time of Angels two-parts, they got sucked in a crack in time and deleted from existence.
And as you just saw, in The Angels take Manhattan, Rory and Amy committed a suicide pact to create a paradox to make them disappear from existence.

I'm glad that the Doctor can't just wave his screwdriver at one.
 

Emitan

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The Master died twice. Don't bring him back.

Actually I don't remember what happened the 2nd time but don't bring him back.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I thought the Master was "good" in all three parts of the S3 finale, he seemed genuinely unhinged. End of Time was a bit weaker, but that was more the plot he was given, still decent performance I felt.
 
The Master always comes back from the dead.

At least The End of Time sought to come up with an explanation rather than just having the Master randomly disguised in some weird Asian looking get up and chanting half the story before revealing himself just so the Doctor could go "Oh, you did escape Castrovalva", with that being the only explanation of how the Master was still alive.
 

Clegg

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How would they write the Master back into the series?

Moffat can't just pretend that "The End of Time" never happened.

But I'd rather see Timothy Dalton reprise the role of Rassilon.
 
How would they write the Master back into the series?

Moffat can't just pretend that "The End of Time" never happened.

But I'd rather see Timothy Dalton reprise the role of Rassilon.
They could just say he got spat out of the time-lock because his body was mutating, then he could drain some energy from the Doctor and regenerate.

There's been flimsier explanations.
 
AND his next body looks exactly like River Song.

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maharg

idspispopd
The Master always comes back from the dead.

At least The End of Time sought to come up with an explanation rather than just having the Master randomly disguised in some weird Asian looking get up and chanting half the story before revealing himself just so the Doctor could go "Oh, you did escape Castrovalva", with that being the only explanation of how the Master was still alive.

Wasn't that when he was resurrected through a spell, complete with witches chanting something not far off "Double Double, Toil, and Trouble!"? Maybe it got exaggerated in my head, but that's what I remember. :p

And then he hopped around a junkyard like a psychotic easter bunny with force lightning for an hour while the Doctor chased him, taking a random break to have tea with Wilf, who happened to be out looking at the junkyard with his old people friends.
 
All I know is if, when The Master comes back, he's pretty much exactly the same, and hasn't adjusted his interests as a result of the Time Lords dicking him over/realising what the fuck is wrong with himself, well, that'd be lame.

He needs to be pissed. And regenerate into someone with a beard.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
All I know is if, when The Master comes back, he's pretty much exactly the same, and hasn't adjusted his interests as a result of the Time Lords dicking him over/realising what the fuck is wrong with himself, well, that'd be lame.

He needs to be pissed. And regenerate into someone with a beard.


Yes.
 

CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
I don't have a problem with the Master coming back, I just hope they can do a good job of him if the do, they really need someone who can act with and against matt on the show.
 

DrForester

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Can't make The Master worse than Simms was if they do bring him back.
I make that statement in full knowledge of Eric Roberts
 
I think it should be John Simm again but this time no holds barred. Anger. Hatred. Suffering. Yoda.

Simm was perfect as a foil to Tennant's Doctor, but I don't think he would work nearly as well against Smith. It would be like having Delgado facing off against Tom Baker.

This is one of the biggest reasons that Ainley's Master didn't work out (aside from being a poor man's Roger Delgado who just hammed it up in every scene). He wasn't an effective foil to any of the Doctor's he went up against.
 
Everybody always goes to Benedict Cumberbatch for The Master, but I honestly think that if they were going to take an actor from Sherlock to play The Master, Martin Freeman would be a far more interesting choice, if perhaps a bit iconoclastic (and I say this is somebody who loves Cumberbatch greatly). We're used to seeing him play the more subdued roles or the straight man, but I think with some quality writing the guy could pull something off really sinister and dangerous to match Matt Smith's Doctor.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Everybody always goes to Benedict Cumberbatch for The Master, but I honestly think that if they were going to take an actor from Sherlock to play The Master, Martin Freeman would be a far more interesting choice, if perhaps a bit iconoclastic (and I say this is somebody who loves Cumberbatch greatly). We're used to seeing him play the more subdued roles or the straight man, but I think with some quality writing the guy could pull something off really sinister and dangerous to match Matt Smith's Doctor.

Ooh, yes please.

And yeah, Simm's manic approach to the character would not work against Smith's almost equally manic version of the Doctor.
 
I don't know why, but I got the idea of having Matthew Kelly as the Master recently. Despite knowing nothing about his ability as an actor.

Weird. Probably wouldn't be much good.
 

gabbo

Member
Can't make The Master worse than Simms was if they do bring him back.
I make that statement in full knowledge of Eric Roberts

Moffat will take that as a challenge and write a season-long arc around him that falls apart in the last episode.
 
The Master died twice. Don't bring him back.

Actually I don't remember what happened the 2nd time but don't bring him back.

lol. We need better villains. Right now 11's ego is out of control, someone needs to humble him.

Master is perfect for that job. It's unfortunate that RTD just fucked up the character. There is also Omega
 

mclem

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Everybody always goes to Benedict Cumberbatch for The Master, but I honestly think that if they were going to take an actor from Sherlock to play The Master, Martin Freeman would be a far more interesting choice, if perhaps a bit iconoclastic (and I say this is somebody who loves Cumberbatch greatly). We're used to seeing him play the more subdued roles or the straight man, but I think with some quality writing the guy could pull something off really sinister and dangerous to match Matt Smith's Doctor.

I'd suggest something really crazy: we've had multi-Doctor stories. Why not have, in the same style, a multi-Master story?
 

gabbo

Member
lol. We need better villains. Right now 11's ego is out of control, someone needs to humble him.

Master is perfect for that job. It's unfortunate that RTD just fucked up the character. There is also Omega

It wouldn't be a villian to put him in check. Would love to see an ally or an ally working for a villain that would do it.
 
I imagine a baritone, humourless Master contrasted against the energetic, childish Eleventh Doctor could be great.

Cumberbatch telling off Smith like a naughty child.

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Right guys? But seriously, I really enjoyed the Dream Lord and I love me a bit of Toby Jones.


Wouldn't mind a reappearance from this guy at all.
 
I don't care what anyone says, I thought the idea of the Master turning everyone in the world into himself was a decent idea. They just executed it horribly.

It'd been better if everyone had been converted to his personality, instead of physically making everyone John Simm, but RTD gonna RTD.
 

Petrichor

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The more I think about it, I kind of think Moffat squandered a chance to do something that wasn't so stereotypical or trope-ish when it comes to Dr. Who. A lot of what the theme seemed to be to me at the start of the season was how Amy and Rory were starting to enjoy their real lives together (aside from the divorce part) and that they were getting ready to stop traveling.

I think the better ending would have been at the end of the episdoe Rory and Amy finally deciding that traveling with the doctor was just too dangerous and they should just enjoy their lives together as normal people. I'm sure this has happened before, perhaps with Martha, but simply a scene with the Doctor at the door to the tardis telling them to come on, let's go to the next adventure and Amy and Rory simply saying no. Something like kind of breaking up with the doctor. No memory wipe. Nobody dying. Simply them deciding that's it.

The thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that even during the whole episode and the promos leading up to it were basically "Watch Amy and Rory's last adventure with the Doctor" and Matt Smith basically saying halfway through the episode in an Inside Dr. Who thing that "Oh, you are going to be so sad."

It just strikes of the stuff people complained about RTD for. How many times have we been beaten over the head with heavy handed forshadowing that traveling with doctor leads to tragedy if you are a companion? I just wish it would have been more different than the cheap, bang, you're zapped back in time never to see the doctor again in the last few seconds. There's an entire, giant loose end with Rory's dad that has been pointed out. It would have been infinitely better if Amy and Rory simply chose to give the doctor up. Simple. Mundane. No deaths. No time energy wiping out New York. It would have been way better and more human.

That's exactly what happened - Amy's choice between a normal life with rory and life with the doctor has been the main theme of her tenure and the way she departed was a conclusion to that particular narrative thread - only able to choose one or the other, she chose rory.

And I don't agree that your proposed ending would have been better, seeing as the whole point of these five episodes was that your kind of ending already happened in "the god complex", and the doctor pushed it too far by going back for them AGAIN.
 

phisheep

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I'm OK with that ending. Always struck me that the right way for Amy & Rory to go was of old age rather than daleks or something, so there were only two ways to play it, either straight or wibbly-wobbly - in hindsight it seems kind of inevitable. And that feels right.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
I thought someone would post that :)

I meant more one with multiple *different* masters.

It's a good idea, but probably very difficult to manage as other actors from the role are dead and/or expensive. It would lack weight if you have 5 never before seen guys who were the Master standing beside the rubbish guy from The Deadly Assassin.
 
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