Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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InaudibleWhispa said:
Fun episode. I don't understand complaints about the CG. It's a TV show, is there really anything leaps and bounds better? They didn't look particularly worse than Terra Nova, for example, which was a show all about dinosaurs and probably had 4x the budget.
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People who complain about the CG now obviously weren't around in 2005...

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ScreenSplitter said:
People who complain about the CG now obviously weren't around in 2005...

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I was thinking that the whole time. The CG's not great, but it's improved and used more wisely. Overall, might be one of my top 5 favourite episodes of NuWho. Rory's dad and Lestrade were highlights (would have killed for a "clever girl" reference when Amy picked up that shock rifle though)
 
The absolute worst CG I've seen in Doctor Who (revival) has to be Mickey getting eaten by the garbage bin. That was in the pilot.

Looking back, then seeing Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, the quality has improved elevenfold.
 
It's not just the CGI; the cinematography, lighting and (particularly) production design are far improved under Moffat. No more primary colours for spaceships nowadays.
 
You know, what if instead of having the companions come and go like usual, he actually pops in to check on Amy and Rory through out their lives? Maybe we'll actually get to see young Amy and Rory, middle aged Amy and Rory, and old Amy and Rory? Maybe he will visit them on the days that they die, and go to their funerals?

It would be an interesting thing. The man who has to watch everyone he loves turn to dust.
 
I don't know if it was intentional, but I loved and hated the "glow" of the first two seasons. Makes the show look dreamy, but damn was it also pretty blurry at times.

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I could've sworn they used animatronics for one close-up of the Doctor petting the Triceratops. Very impressive.

Just rewatched A Good Man Goes to War and I still think it's weird that military/religious organisation popped up out of nowhere. Hope we get more of them in this season's finale, wasn't very well explaned.


Quick said:
I don't know if it was intentional, but I loved and hated the "glow" of the first two seasons. Makes the show look dreamy, but damn was it also pretty blurry at times.
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I think that might just be them not filming it in HD/having lower quality cameras.

Eteric Rice said:
You know, what if instead of having the companions come and go like usual, he actually pops in to check on Amy and Rory through out their lives? Maybe we'll actually get to see young Amy and Rory, middle aged Amy and Rory, and old Amy and Rory? Maybe he will visit them on the days that they die, and go to their funerals?

It would be an interesting thing. The man who has to watch everyone he loves turn to dust.
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Well they sort of had that with Donna's wedding, and it was very touching. Sarah Jane he went back to visit... he just left a long time between the visits.
 
Season 3 and 4 looked clearer, and both seasons weren't filmed in HD, so probably the camera quality. In any case, it made some episodes look nice, some just hazy.
 
Series 1 defoes was filmed with a sort of filter, it looks great in places. Pretty sure Series 2 dropped it entirely and is one of the cheapest looking series.

APZonerunner said:
I think the one thing that worries me a little about this year's approach - to chime in on the action thing - is that it eliminates the chance for episodes like Midnight or Blink. Moffat's era has generally been a bit more action packed in general, I think, and this year's focus on "Blockbuster" episodes with movie-style posters is cool, but it worries me if this becomes a more long-term approach. Speaking of Blink, the whole shift is characterized by the direction the angels have taken, really.
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Next weeks is suppose to be a very very thematic episode, so I suspect you won't be too disappointed :)
 
RTD era eps baffle the fuck out of me. I would never believe they were made any later than early 90s just by looking at them. Moffat era eps somehow took a massive leap and now it's like one of the best shot shows on TV.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
RTD era eps baffle the fuck out of me. I would never believe they were made any later than early 90s just by looking at them. Moffat era eps somehow took a massive leap and now it's like one of the best shot shows on TV.
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The whole RTD era reeks of 90's sci-fi. The writing, the monsters, everything.

The Technomancer said:
Is next week the Western or the Power of Three?
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Western with cool looking cyborg.
 
Arment said:
So far episode 1 was very good and episode 2 was very bad. Lots of hope for next week though.
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I'm of the opposite feeling. I just watched episode 2 and thought it much more solid than the first. The acting from the guest actors was top notch, and the effects - surprisingly - weren't too bad either.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
I'm of the opposite feeling. I just watched episode 2 and thought it much more solid than the first. The acting from the guest actors was top notch, and the effects - surprisingly - weren't too bad either.
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Hex said:
I can not even come close to agreeing.

Episode 1 one amazing, episode 2 was essentially classic Who.
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Maybe it was because I was distracted during the episode a few times, but the villain wasn't all that interesting or well acted. The plot was thin. I barely felt excitement. Last weeks episode was the complete opposite in every category.

I just felt like this episode was thrown together sloppily. I wasn't even really impressed with Rory's dad. I'm glad you guys liked it, I just wasn't feeling it at all.
 
^ I watched an old classic Who episode the other day were Stonehenge type stones were attacking and killing people, and I love the way they used to show someone screaming and cut away rather than showing what went on... it was obviously for budget / effects reasons, but it gave it a class hitchcock meets B-movie kind of vibe

Arment said:
Maybe it was because I was distracted during the episode a few times, but the villain wasn't all that interesting or well acted. The plot was thin. I barely felt excitement. Last weeks episode was the complete opposite in every category.

I just felt like this episode was thrown together sloppily. I wasn't even really impressed with Rory's dad. I'm glad you guys liked it, I just wasn't feeling it at all.
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I thought the villain was great... I was disappointed with Mitchell & Webb (the robots) not being as funny as I know those guys can be, but they were okay.. the main villain himself was actually really sinister. The innuendo and overtones in this episode were a bit more overt than is usual for Dr Who... the villains line about "breaking her in" was sinister in the extreme.

For me, it certainly beat EGGS-TERMIN-ATE!
 
Just rewatched DoaS, and I still think it was great. Nice stand alone sort of adventure with one or two random faces thrown in for fun. Plus the Doctor killing someone for once was... Good. The longer he's alone the more vicious he appears to get so I feel sorry for anyone who gets in his way.
 
Diablos54 said:
Just rewatched DoaS, and I still think it was great. Nice stand alone sort of adventure with one or two random faces thrown in for fun. Plus the Doctor killing someone for once was... Good. The longer he's alone the more vicious he appears to get so I feel sorry for anyone who gets in his way.
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This is also very true and not a mistake that he kind of was losing his humanity just a step in this episode.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
Is it just me, or has Matt Smith aged horribly over the last few years. He just looks so much older than he did in Series 5.
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In interviews, Matt Smith looks surprisingly exactly like he did in the Eleventh Hour. It seems that the make up person gels up his hair too much or something. Makes it look thinner instead of the big bouncy messy hair we see in the first series.
 
Quick said:
I don't know if it was intentional, but I loved and hated the "glow" of the first two seasons. Makes the show look dreamy, but damn was it also pretty blurry at times.

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I just assumed that most British (European) television shows had that kind of Vaseline filter. :p

After they started working with BBC America, I noticed that it became more like American television shows, meaning darker and less shimmery. It sorta happened with Torchwood, too. Compare the first three seasons with the one co-produced (?) by Showtime.
 
border said:
I think it's more that when I meet someone who's a self-professed DW fan, it doesn't tell me anything about them anymore. You used to be able to make a few general assumptions about the show's followers -- they were probably Anglophiles that followed other BBC stuff, they were probably science fiction connoisseurs, they were probably into other forms of semi-intellectual genre fiction. To hear someone say "I like Doctor Who" now is as meaningless as to hear them say "I like Star Wars". I suppose it's always been like that in the UK though......it's just taken 50 years for the States to get to the same position.

There's also I guess the clash of cultures and perceptions of what the show is actually supposed to be about. Someone pages earlier said something to the extent of "How could you not like the premiere? It was full of explosions and Daleks!" As production values ramp up and its production team tries to keep hold of the huge American audience they've snared, there is the concern that it will become too action-oriented or too broad.
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Your poisonous attitude towards people being fans of Doctor Who because of the franchise reboot's popularity is pure elitism, nothing more. I get the impression that you wouldn't consider myself or certain others here as "real" Whovians simply because we were introduced to the show by way of Eccleston, Tennant, or Smith, and to that notion I have three words: get over yourself.

One more thing: it has been mentioned several times that the show has even less budget now than previous series in the reboot, so you're wrong on that count too. What a surprise.

OT: I liked DoaS. I felt the pacing was a bit too fast in spots, but all-in-all I had fun with it. The part where Amy and the Doctor are talking about outliving the other was particularly moving, I felt, and another example of why Matt Smith is so good.
 
great episode, but I didn't like the balls gag (bit to close to the bone) and the killing of the triceratops was unnecessary IMO. Robots being camp but simultaneously nasty was also a bit odd.

I thought the CG was great. Real people riding CG dinosaurs and IMO looked way better than Attack of the Clones.

I'm confused by the Silurians though. The guy in the video was literally the guy in the two-parter, so was it actually him, or just 'lol all Silurians look the same to me'?

And how did they drop the Dinosaurs off on Siluria? I thought the point of the Silurians was that they were the original earthlings and this was there home? (also the reason the ark was coming back to earth).



Incendiary said:
I think the only thing I disliked about this episode was Amy complaining about how she spent months waiting for the Doctor, how she thought he was weaning them off her, and then at the end "nah, I'd rather you just took us home and left us there for a few months." Wonderful character continuity there.
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I loved that bit. The look on the Doctor's face when she talks about him outliving her was really good - 'yes, yet again I outlive my companions, I see them die etc'. And it feels like he wants to wean them off him, but simultaneously needs them - you can see all that in his face in those short scenes together with Amy.
 
mrklaw said:
;41943373I'm confused by the Silurians though. The guy in the video was literally the guy in the two-parter, so was it actually him, or just 'lol all Silurians look the same to me'?
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border said:
I think it's more that when I meet someone who's a self-professed DW fan, it doesn't tell me anything about them anymore. You used to be able to make a few general assumptions about the show's followers -- they were probably Anglophiles that followed other BBC stuff, they were probably science fiction connoisseurs, they were probably into other forms of semi-intellectual genre fiction. To hear someone say "I like Doctor Who" now is as meaningless as to hear them say "I like Star Wars". I suppose it's always been like that in the UK though......it's just taken 50 years for the States to get to the same position.

There's also I guess the clash of cultures and perceptions of what the show is actually supposed to be about. Someone pages earlier said something to the extent of "How could you not like the premiere? It was full of explosions and Daleks!" As production values ramp up and its production team tries to keep hold of the huge American audience they've snared, there is the concern that it will become too action-oriented or too broad.
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er, then you ask a follow up question to find out when they got into DW, and that's your better avenue into who they are, rather than simply write everyone off because a show is popular?
 
Is this series feeling more about identity with the first two episodes we have had so far? Even with the style change for the two episode intro's we have had so far? Could mean for something big unfolding
 
SuicidalSteve said:
Is this series feeling more about identity with the first two episodes we have had so far? Even with the style change for the two episode intro's we have had so far? Could mean for something big unfolding
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Well at the moment there's a hell of a lot of foreshadowing for Amy & Rory's departure, as well as the running "Doctor Who?!" thing that we've been getting since halfway through Series 6. And to an extent, the whole show.
 
mrklaw said:
I'm confused by the Silurians though. The guy in the video was literally the guy in the two-parter, so was it actually him, or just 'lol all Silurians look the same to me'?

And how did they drop the Dinosaurs off on Siluria? I thought the point of the Silurians was that they were the original earthlings and this was there home? (also the reason the ark was coming back to earth).

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I assumed it was a direct effect of "Cold Blood" The Sllurians woke up realized that they'd never be accepted on earth, built an arc and then left.

Have no idea how the dinosaurs got there though. Genetic engineering perhaps?

Also someone on reddit pointed out an intresting theory: Rory is older then he should in a normal timeline. What if this episode took place years after Angels in Manhattan?
 
They saw a meteor was on its way to kill off the dinosaurs (and potentially the Silurians, although they obviously survived), and the arc was one preventive measure against that. Most likely.
 
Alphahawk said:
I assumed it was a direct effect of "Cold Blood" The Sllurians woke up realized that they'd never be accepted on earth, built an arc and then left.

Have no idea how the dinosaurs got there though. Genetic engineering perhaps?
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Um I think more likely the Silurians left before the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs. Remember, they were around a long time before the humans, are reptillian, and the Earth was once theirs. Likely some Silurians went underground to escape the extinction, and others left for greener pastures.
 
so it was a separate group of Silurians? In that case don't get the same actor (Richard Hope) to play a different character. Doesn't help that he has a very recognisable voice in the UK
 
I like Silurians, but only when they're not all "rawrrr you nicked our planet and now we're back after an inexplicable period of time". Madam Vastra and the like are interesting Silurians- it's nice to have them back as just a race in the Who pantheon, and not as straight-up villains. We have enough of those as is.
 
I've still got a bad taste in my mouth from the Hungry Earth two-parter. Remember that silurian who got tasered to death? What a way to go.
 
That Hungry Earth two-parter was goddamn terrible and it's a horrible shame it has major Season Five plot significance at the end
 
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