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[Jobbs]

He'd win against Hillary. Against Bernie he'd lose.

This is nonsense. A general election is primarily a battle over about 2 or 3% of the voters. These voters are more likely to be turned off by the word "socialist".

The math and demographics make it exceedingly difficult for a republican to win a general election at this point, much less one that has said such offensive things, particularly about latinos -- and one who has a plan to build a wall towards mexico as a cornerstone of his campaign. I just don't see how it happens.

He's defying common wisdom so far, but he's doing it within the republican primary process where the people are fucking crazy. If you think all of this precedent defying stuff can happen in a general you're getting way ahead of yourself.

 

[Timeaisis]

Anything is possible and stranger things have happened.

 

[SaviourMK2]

I believe he can.
When you role up stupid the rules are thrown out the window.
Cheating.
Bribery.
Voting Infringing (preventing demographics or democrat swinging neighborhoods from getting to the polls).
Now you look at Nevada with reports of organizers That are biased and bullying and letting people who voted for Trump vote twice.

Do I believe he can win the general election? Yes but unfairly.

 

[la flama blanca]

He'd never win the general election.

 

[SeigO]

Yes I think he has a very good shot at winning the general election. A lot of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump, 3rd party or they'll sit out and it looks like the republicans are having higher than normal voter turnouts which isn't good because I can't imagine Clinton driving a large turn out with the lack of excitement surrounding her.

 

[Ihyll]

All I can say....

It's not a fucking joke anymore. This dude has won 3 straight elections by blowouts almost. He will be their nominee.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Honestly, it just sounds like you're enjoying insulting anyone who entertains the possibility of Trump pulling this out.

Who am I insulting? Why would you take what I wrote as an insult if it doesn't fit you and your intentions?

Yes, I think it's fuckin' impossible. I explained why in the post you initially responded to, while acknowledging all the shitty aspects of how even his making it to the general is still a stain on the country and nauseating as fuck. I compared the country to a growling, scared animal. That's not a positive comparison.

But even the meanest dog can get run the fuck over, yunno?

It's a question of whether everyone currently worried about the dog can get over it long enough to get in the fucking car and put the shit in drive.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lol 44% of the Republican Latino vote aka it means jack shit.

All the latinos in the state didn't vote tonight..only republican latinos who actually went to go caucus.

44% of 8% of something like 10% of the total Nevada electorate

it's miniscule

44% of registered Latino Republicans? Or 44% of all Latinos? There's certainly a large contingent of Latino voters that are only participating in the Democratic Primaries.

Of the Republican voting hispanics.... 10% of their total #. So, 44%of a 10% pie...

44% of a small percentage of latinos that voted in the republican caucus.

The Latino vote made up 8% of the total though.

oh thank god. i nearly had a heart attack. i think i am just going to jerk off and go to sleep. i cant take this shit no more.

only alexis texas can save me now.

 

[jgwhiteus]

The last election was not a landslide for Obama. this year there is record turnout in every Republican primary and a 30% downturn in Democratic turnout..

A GOP victory in November is all but a lock, Trump still stands a chance of not getting a the nomination but if he gets it he will be president.

There are record turnouts for Republican primaries because it's a horse-race and divisive election over the very future of the party, and all factions are invested. When one faction wins out over the others, you'll see some loss of enthusiasm (like, will disenfranchised anti-establishment voters really turn out to rally behind Rubio? Umm...)

Likewise, as much as the media plays up the Clinton-Sanders rivalry and she's lost ground, privately many people realize the chances of Clinton losing the nomination at this point are slim, so there's less motivation to vote in a primary no matter which nominee you support, unless you want to make a "statement".

As for Trump's chances in the general? Well nothing's outside the realm of possibility. The Democratic nominee could absolutely wither in the general election season. There could be another Mitt Romney "47%" moment. There could be a huge downturn in the economy, etc.

But as for actual likelihood based on the information we have at this moment, and looking at historical trends? Pretty much close to zero. Even though he's popular with a portion of the Republican electorate, that's only a portion of a portion, and not reflective of the different groups he'll need to capture to move beyond a core group of disenfranchised working-class whites and gain a majority. Sure, he may have surprising strength in the general, but this is the same general electorate that voted for Obama over a "moderate" Republican twice in the past eight years - is a reactionary demagogue really supposed to fare better, based off the support of groups that never voted for Democrats anyway?

 

[HUELEN10]

He'd never win the general election.

Who else could win besides Rubio? Rubio would fail to any demmy and Cruz isn't legible as far as many are concerned.

 

[pupcoffee]

Who knows, but look how far he's come.

 

[Inspector Jones]

I think he's actually going to win; especially against Hillary. To be fair I think Bernie would have it just as rough. Trump is going to do everything he can to win. It seems like he's been swinging more towards the left (Well compared to other Republican candidates). It may just be me, but I've noticed more Trump supporters coming out online as well. I think his popularity is going up.

 

[xxracerxx]

Yes I think he has a very good shot at winning the general election. A lot of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump, 3rd party or they'll sit out and it looks like the republicans are having higher than normal voter turnouts which isn't good because I can't imagine Clinton driving a large turn out with the lack of excitement surrounding her.

What in the world makes you say that?

 

[Crimson_Fate]

A thing I keep forgetting, which actually puts me at ease now that I think about it, is that Hillary and Trump have to debate one another and also vet some VPs. I trust Hillary to get that done and maybe even expose Trump enough to unite the liberal base and maybe fracture the GOP enough to take the GE.

Hillary is by far the better debater but Trump is no politician and Hillary has so much baggage that I believe Trump would destroy her, Her lying, pandering and flip-flopping is all the amo trump needs.

Bernie would be better against him since Bernie has been consistent his entire career. Trump would be forced to talk Policy with him.

 

[HUELEN10]

What in the world makes you say that?

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

 

[CrazyDude]

Hillary is by far the better debater but Trump is no politician and Hillary has so much baggage that I believe Trump would destroy her, Her lying, pandering and flip-flopping is all the amo trump needs.

Bernie would be better against him since Bernie has been consistent his entire career. Trump would be forced to talk Policy with him.

Trump has a ton of baggage as well and Trump has flip flopped more than Hillary.

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

So you want minorities to be screwed over more than you want Hillary to win.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

What in the world makes you say that?

Several of them, at least here, have come out and said as much.

They could have been trolling, but who knows

 

[xxracerxx]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

I am sorry, I thought you were a Carson voter. Now you are a Bernie fan?

 

[border]

Honestly, it just sounds like you're enjoying insulting anyone who entertains the possibility of Trump pulling this out.

Undoubtedly there are some people who won't vote, but do you really think it's impossible? There's a lot of hate and ignorance out there.

I think that a part of the issue is that massively important swing states hinge on minority voters, and Trump has alienated those important minorities. Red states may become more red if he gets the nomination, but good luck getting Hispanic voters in Florida to sign off on a wall between Mexico and the US.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I think the time to casually write off Trump has come to a pass.

.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Yes I think he has a very good shot at winning the general election. A lot of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Trump, 3rd party or they'll sit out and it looks like the republicans are having higher than normal voter turnouts which isn't good because I can't imagine Clinton driving a large turn out with the lack of excitement surrounding her.

Lol

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Demographically I cant really understand how it'd be possible for him to win. Romney won huge with white people in 2012, and still lost. Demos are even worse for the GOP/Trump this time.

 

[ayeorkean]

Yes, pretty much imminent.

 

[televator]

Trump has a ton of baggage as well and Trump has flip flopped more than Hillary.

Didn't Trump once admit that he's paid Hillary to make appearances at his events? I think a lot of people would not feel so hot about that.

 

[HUELEN10]

I am sorry, I thought you were a Carson voter. Now you are a Bernie fan?

Carson's my top repub pick, but he has no chance of beating Trump, so I can't hurt trump, BUT I can give Bernie my vote so Hilary doesn't get it.

That is why I am currently a registered Democrat and will vote Bernie, pretty much locked in, unless he spews anti-Cupertino trump-tier BS.

So you want minorities to be screwed over more than you want Hillary to win.

I did not say that.

Besides I am a minority myself.

AND queer.

 

[Dennis]

He is pretty much the GOP nominee now.

The general? I don't know.

 

[minor effort]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

2016's PUMAs will enjoy a short burst of activity early on in the GE, but fizzle out into insignificant numbers by November.

 

[danm999]

Explain then. The mid term elections were telling of an electorate becoming more apathetic and tired of business as usual candidates on the democratic side. Where as in 08 people who backed Hillary undoubtedly came to back Obama. If Hillary won the nom, then Obama supporters would largely do the same. This time around, that's not so certain.

Actually for all the freaking out there are indications Democrats are holding their shit together at roughly the same, maybe a tad better this go around.

Overall, nearly nine in 10 Democratic primary voters say they would support Hillary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee. And while most of those who support Sanders would back Clinton, 21 percent say they would not support Clinton if she is the party's nominee.

Similarly, most Democratic primary voters would support Bernie Sanders if he wins the nomination. Among Clinton's supporters, just 14 percent would not support Sanders.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-national-poll-hillary-clinton-holds-lead-over-bernie-sanders/

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx

 

[sphagnum]

Assuming economic collapse or a terrorist attack, sure.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

Congrats on cheering on a guy with a 20% pro slavery fan base.

 

[MHWilliams]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

Why would you hope for a Trump win? Explain the logic.

 

[AstroLad]

honestly think the ace in the hole here is that democrats' biggest issue is getting people excited enough to vote. republicans have racism, guns, religion/fairy tales about how important it is to ban gay marriage, etc. and for some reason that gets people really excited. trump will get people SUPER excited to vote against him. the bernie v. hillary stuff, which isn't nearly as acerbic as obama v. hillary will be a very distant and unimportant memory at that point. and all the psychos supporting him probably would have turned out anyway to support gun rights or deport mexicans or whatever the republican candidate was promising

my 2c

 

[Jintor]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

you may be serious, but you might also still be crazy. Even if you hate hilary to backflip over her and go straight to trump is... lunacy.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

still crazy

 

[Zyzyxxz]

This is nonsense. A general election is primarily a battle over about 2 or 3% of the voters. These voters are more likely to be turned off by the word "socialist"..

I think the key here is the the youth vote. Obama used it to his advantage during his first campaign.

For Bernie to win youth turnout is key since he polls overwhelming well with that age bracket.

Also considering the Latino vote turnout is increasing year after year I don't see why they would vote for Trump and how that is not going to hurt him.

As for the whole "socialist" thing, this isn't the cold war anymore most people under a certain age don't have negative connotations associated with the word socialism and that is only going to further trend in that direction as time goes on. How much it will affect this election if Bernie is the nominee will be an interesting wild card.

 

[CrazyDude]

I did not say that.

Besides I am a minority myself.

AND queer.

And? So you would rather want someone who wants to make your life harder? What makes Trump so much better than Hillary?

 

[hawk2025]

Carson's my top repub pick, but he has no chance of beating Trump, so I can't hurt trump, BUT I can give Bernie my vote so Hilary doesn't get it.

That is why I am currently a registered Democrat and will vote Bernie, pretty much locked in, unless he spews anti-Cupertino trump-tier BS.


I did not say that.

Besides I am a minority myself.

AND queer.

...You are basically asking for the "Congrats, you played yourself" GIF at this point.



I must have typed and deleted 4 or 5 ban-worthy replies to Huelen before settling on this

 

[xxracerxx]

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

Who is this "we" I see you talking about? Looks just like you personally.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

George W Bush won. Twice.

 

[JustenP88]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/21/gop-sets-another-turnout-record-democrats-numbers-/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/iowa-caucuses-2016-turnout-218578

Trump joking for months and months turns in to dismissive complacency which (hopefully not) turns into confusion at what happens in November. I'll just cling to the assumed electoral map advantages until then, I guess.

 

[SeigO]

What in the world makes you say that?

I'm mostly basing that off of bernie bro threads on reddit.

I feel like it's common sense though that Clinton has alienated Sanders supporters with her constant attacks and spinning/lying of certain things. Especially with how fanatical some of his fans are. I remember seeing a poll that suggested there will be more democrats who will refuse to vote for Clinton than republicans who will refuse to vote for Trump.

 

[Dishwalla]

Huelen you are an enigma.

 

[la flama blanca]

Who else could win besides Rubio? Rubio would fail to any demmy and Cruz isn't legible as far as many are concerned.

Well, nobody would really win vs Hillary, but the best moderate is Rubio on the Republican side. I mean, I'm not even a fan of Hillary, but I knew she'd have it early on.

 

[GavinGT]

Carson's my top repub pick, but he has no chance of beating Trump, so I can't hurt trump, BUT I can give Bernie my vote so Hilary doesn't get it.

That is why I am currently a registered Democrat and will vote Bernie, pretty much locked in, unless he spews anti-Cupertino trump-tier BS.


I did not say that.

Besides I am a minority myself.

AND queer.

So your allegiance is essentially

Apple > Bernie Sanders > Ben Carson > Donald Trump >>>>> Hilary Clinton

 

[kess]

Talk to Clinton-disliking Bernie voters like myself; many for us who won't vote for Trump will at least hope he wins if it is a general vs Clinton.

It's not just crazy internet trolling, we are completely serious.

I hope the Trump DOJ unlocks your iPhone

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I did not say that.

Besides I am a minority myself.

AND queer.

lol

There were blacks that acted against their own race (and more importantly overall interests) in the slavery era. Called them Uncle Toms.

 

[Dupy]

honestly think the ace in the hole here is that democrats' biggest issue is getting people excited enough to vote. republicans have racism, guns, religion/fairy tales about how important it is to ban gay marriage, etc. and for some reason that gets people really excited. trump will get people SUPER excited to vote against him. the bernie v. hillary stuff, which isn't nearly as acerbic as obama v. hillary will be a very distant and unimportant memory at that point. and all the psychos supporting him probably would have turned out anyway to support gun rights or deport mexicans or whatever the republican candidate was promising

my 2c

We likely won't have a 9th Supreme Court Justice until the next president is sworn in. That plus the fear of a goddamn Donald Trump presidency should be enough of a rallying cry to get Dems out to vote.

 

[HUELEN10]

Why would you hope for a Trump win? Explain the logic.

From what I know about Hilary and what I know about Trump, both, and this is just my opinion on what I know about both, are about equally bad. That being said, as much of an absolutely racist and minority-hating scumbag as Trump is, I think he's less damaging as a whole, and has some decent stuff going for him like some of his proposed VA reform. I am around veterans quite a bit and I feel that some of what he is proposing could help those that deserve it.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Who is this "we" I see you talking about? Looks just like you personally.

He may be in a minority as far as wanting Trump to win, but I definitely don't think he's in a minority as far as those that simply aren't going to vote for Hillary if Bernie loses the nominations. The bridge between his supporters and her has been burnt to a crisp during this whole campaign.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

So your allegiance is essentially

Apple > Bernie Sanders > Ben Carson > Donald Trump