HalfBakedProphet
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Why do people willing get sucked into the Huelen vortex of crazy? Come on folks
Does anybody really believe Trump has a chance of winning?
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la flama blanca
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The claim that even a decent amount of Bernie supporters would favor Trump in any way is ridiculous.
What would Hillary do that would be so much worse? What are you basing this off of? What damages would she do?
Mass_Pincup
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Are you basing your vote on whether someone likes Apple or am I misunderstanding?
SaviourMK2
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I'm a Sanders supporter, my general belief is that Sanders can repel Trumps BS, since Sanders next to never flip flops (of course Trump still has his communism rant), Hillary is just doomed against Trump.
My plan is to not vote in the general election if it comes down to HvT, as I do not believe Hillary has a snowballs chance in hell against a pig like Trump, and I refuse to support either side. I do not believe Hillary is a progressive and I do not like the idea of that orange chicken shit being embedded in American history as someone my children would need to memorize in their history class (Trump), I also do not like the idea of white supremacists coming out of their holes in the dirt acting like everything will be ok for them.
However, my opinion may change as time gets closer and may vote.
My plan is to not vote in the general election if it comes down to HvT, as I do not believe Hillary has a snowballs chance in hell against a pig like Trump, and I refuse to support either side. I do not believe Hillary is a progressive and I do not like the idea of that orange chicken shit being embedded in American history as someone my children would need to memorize in their history class (Trump), I also do not like the idea of white supremacists coming out of their holes in the dirt acting like everything will be ok for them.
However, my opinion may change as time gets closer and may vote.
I find that simply ridiculous. Like completely childish.
Bush was able to court and appeal to Hispanic voters. It probably helped that he did not characterize them as murderers and rapists.
They don't have to favor Trump, they just don't have to vote for Hillary. Thats all Trump needs to win.
SolidSnakex
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It may be but I don't think Hillary supporters are at all considering the long term damage that's being done with all this Bernie-bro stuff. It's genuinely pissing people off to a great degree.
HUELEN10
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This is basically me as well; if the general is Clinton Vs Trump I am NOT voting.
Sorry, but this is just delusional. I'm well aware that there are Bernie supporters who've loudly proclaimed they won't vote for Clinton and would support Trump or not vote, but statistically they're a small minority of a minority, and there's a view that they're just proclaiming it now as attention-seeking behavior and a "threat" in a "I'm going to take my ball home if you don't do things the way I want" kind of way - the way Clinton supporters made the same "threat" when Obama was the nominee (but voted for him anyway).
Would a Bernie supporter vote for Trump? Statistically speaking, no. They overwhelmingly identify as liberal (rather than independent or libertarian, etc.), and I don't think anyone is going to mistake Trump as a liberal candidate, or could vote for him while proclaiming to espouse liberal values. Even if they think Hillary is the tool of Wall Street, I'm not sure how that translates into supporting billionaire real estate developer Trump as a more progressive choice. So the vast majority of Sanders' supporters won't give their votes to Trump, just by political principle. They're more likely to bite down any bitterness and vote for Clinton, especially given the Supreme Court nominee issue placed front and center, or give their votes to a third-party candidate, which wouldn't help Clinton, but won't help Trump either.
Could they stay home? Sure, but studies show that politically engaged individuals are more likely to show up at the ballot box, and peer group behavior and pressure can play a large role in voting patterns. It's pretty much guaranteed sitting out this election isn't going to win any self-identifying liberals points among their peers, and that they're likely to face social stigmatization if they do skip out in protest. So many will still vote, regardless of their stated intentions nine months before the election.
I'm sure there will be several individuals who actually do stay home or even throw a vote to Trump as a protest, or vote for a random third-party candidate, but unless Trump and the Democratic nominee are virtually tied, which few people think will be the case - the Sanders self-proclaimed non-voters just won't matter.
GoldenEye 007
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jesus fuck
So here is the thing. Do you believe that if Bernie won the general, that Hilary supports would suddenly not vote democrats or jump sides? To think that would be the case for the vast majority would be completely bonkers.
SaviourMK2
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If they're suporting Hillary they have some form of common sense as to right and wrong. Even Hillary supporters who are simply voting for her because she's a woman know Trump is toxic to their rights.
Mass_Pincup
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If it comes down to HvT why won't you choose the lesser of two evil/the best solution for your country ? Or do you think that they're both just as bad?
I think Hillary will get wrecked against Trump to be honest. Substance aside (Trump will look dumb) I don't find her particularly likable and I think Trump is a really engaging speaker. Plus turnout for the republicans are at a historical high (and low for democrats) and those people are not coming out to support the establishment candidates, like Hillary or the ones on the republican side.
Gordon Shumway
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I mean..what the fuck? Oh! And Florida..
HUELEN10
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It's this reality why I think Bernie has a chance against Trump in the general, but Clinton has a much less shot.
Seperate sentences bolded, taken completely out of context. Want a rephrase?
Veterans deserve to be treated better by their government than they currently are, and I believe that some of what Trump proposes could help those veterans, because they frankly deserve better.
minor effort
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action
Does anyone else remember in 2008 when this movement grew so large and so unwavering in dedication that John McCain won the presidency?
Does anyone else remember in 2008 when this movement grew so large and so unwavering in dedication that John McCain won the presidency?
WaterAstro
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Stupid people exist, so, yes.
Those fretting about tantrum-throwers are forgetting, missing, or ignoring the polling that shows both Hillary and Bernie to be quite well-regarded among Democratic primary participants. They're both north of 80%, and that number typically goes up as we near Election Day.
At this point in 2008, the percentage of Democratic Primary voters threatening sit out for the general if they didn't get their preferred nominee was much, much higher than it is today.
The voices of those threatening to sit out in November are a loud, small minority.
At this point in 2008, the percentage of Democratic Primary voters threatening sit out for the general if they didn't get their preferred nominee was much, much higher than it is today.
The voices of those threatening to sit out in November are a loud, small minority.
In addition to my earlier post about Trump upsetting all minority groups and scaring a large portion of white middle America, I can't see him knitting the party together behind his candidacy. Vulnerable Senators will run away from him, he openly insults people whose support he'll need like Lindsey Graham, and I wouldn't count out a third-party run by another conservative running as the 'real' Republican.
HUELEN10
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That's exactly what some of us are doing, not voting in the general if it comes down to it.
I mean ever.
You are my hero.
Statistics and quantifiable data and historical voting trends matter, people.
CadetMahoney
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pretty much lol.
Yes. 8 years of Obama and Republicans are just going to hand the White House over to a freaking Clinton or Bernie Sanders just because Trump is the nominee?
No. Turnout will be strong. They're all hot and bothered. This isn't really a joke anymore.
Your topic is worded like you're going to laugh at anybody who says, "Yes, I do believe Trump has a chance at winning," so don't expect many answers like that.
I think he probably won't win but he'll go down in cultural history so deeply that he might as well be president. He'll have students, successors. He'll be what people think of first when they remember the 10's. His campaign will be just insane.
I think he probably won't win but he'll go down in cultural history so deeply that he might as well be president. He'll have students, successors. He'll be what people think of first when they remember the 10's. His campaign will be just insane.
Trump definitely has a chance of winning. A lot of Bernie supporters are simply going to stay home on voting day when it eventually is between Hillary and Trump.
Those people are idiots however, and will then proceed to complain about how shitty everything is 2-3 years down the line
Those people are idiots however, and will then proceed to complain about how shitty everything is 2-3 years down the line
This just isn't the case.
Hillary Clinton supporters are awfully condescending.
Gentleman Jack
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And people wonder why Bernie supporters get so much scorn. They'd rather have Trump win.
FrenchMovieTheme
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They were hot and bothered after 4 years. Doesn't matter.
I never say never about anything, especially in a country that voted dubya into office twice, but the odds of trump or any of the other nutjobs republicans winning aren't very good.
HUELEN10
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I had a gathering at my dorm in 2008 for those like me who refused to vote McCain or Obama.
Filled with NPAs, demmys and elephants, there were dozens of 20 somethings in a single floor of the dorm; they weren't alone. 10 here, 100 there, it adds up.
It's not a lot, but there are a sizable number of people, specially disillusioned youth, that choose not to vote, regardless of party; I speak from experience.
In some counties, people like this CAN make a difference and change the outcome by not voting, usually, letting the more popular in the district more easily win, but making a difference nonetheless.
I'm a Bernie supporter
And there are people itt who say they are going to do exactly what I said
That makes even less sense.
We can't judge the entire voting population based on what neogaf posters say.
Maybe in a "burn it all down" kind of way.
It's not a GAF-only phenomenon.
Look at this map.
http://www.270towin.com/
Of the likely voting demographics that are at play, which states do Democrats lose and which do they gain of the swing states?
Now throw Trump into the mix. Boom, NV, Florida, and Colorado gone from the table just like that. Now, where is this path to 270 that people are fearing?
minor effort
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There are some who will follow through with that threat, but I predict far fewer in November than those who are saying it in February.
So you ignore voting for all the important elections that have a greater impact on your own life like local candidates, state candidates, etc? And you get others to equally ignore important things outside of the presidency?
FrenchMovieTheme
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Neogaf isn't a good place to gauge anything about anything. Be it music, games, politics or sports.... it's why I like it here! Hilariously delusional people and ideas pop up daily
excelsiorlef
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Lol you are making a difference all right. In enabling racist sexist homophobic transphobic people to dictate policy and load the Supreme Court with people who will make sure your precious little revolution should you ever get it will be deemed full scale unconstitutional. But hey you're fighting those windmills, great work making a difference.
tearsintherain
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Women love Trump
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