Cow Mengde
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I have no sympathy for the X-Men because we're suppose to feel sorry for a bunch of people born with amazing powers that we all dreamed of as little kids.
Does anyone else not have sympathy for the X-Men?
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ViewtifulJC
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I always thought the power sets of Xavier/Magneto was very interesting for their dictohmy with each other. Xaviers power gives him empathy with other humans beings, he can literally feel what they're feeling, which cant help but foster a more compassionate worldview. Magnetos empathy is with metal cold, hard, inorganic and his comparative lack of insight into the people around him only helps foster the dimmer view of human nature first born in Auschwitz.
One man's dream is another man's nightmare.
You dont say. But a friendly reminder, you and Jews in general actually exist. Jews actually suffered horribly.Those Marvel mutants are completely made up. So your statement was just stupid. What next, discussing privacy rights based on Disneys Hercules?
I feel sympathy for them because becoming a mutant must be terrifying. Hell, the prospect of becoming a mutant must be terrifying. Powers normally develop at puberty, right. So imagine while your body and mind are going through all these changes you don't quite understand, you also spend everyday afraid one of these changes will turn you into some freak of nature that will have to live their rest of your life being feared and hated regardless of how much good you do. Not to mention being forced to attend a school for other freaks of nature that's prone to getting attacked by terrorists/aliens/other mutants/Avengers who having an off day. It must frightening.
Let's not even talk about the Ultimate Universe, where they've just started shooting and killing mutants on sight.
Let's not even talk about the Ultimate Universe, where they've just started shooting and killing mutants on sight.
Ultimate Universe shouldn't be talked about at all. For any reason. Except for Ultimate Spiderman and the first run of Ultimate Fantastic Four.
Not really a valid counterpoint
BattleMonkey
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That's always been a silly part about Marvel. Mutants are treated like crap in the X books and shown to be shunned and lynched because they are different, yet it's the same universe where other humans with powers are regarded as heroes and no one questions where they get their abilities from. Yet somehow in the X books, people see a mutant and automatically know and fear them.
It was fine many years ago but with how common powers and suits are in the Marvel universe, no one would really give a damn about mutants or be able to tell them apart when every other week New York is being destroyed by some random super being. The whole mutant scare should have essentially gone away and melded in with the ever increasing population of supers.
Bushido Kid
Banned
The movies need a reboot, comics stay same it's good.
Well, there was that whole civil war thing...
So someone said "average mutant". In comics currently, where there only several hundred mutants and generally only the most powerful? Sure, the average mutant is well-to-do. Before that though, the average mutant ranged from being so average they might not even know they were any different (a third nipple, their toes can change colour, they can hear a frequency others normally can't, etc) or looked inhuman.
For example, here was an average mutant in the 2000s. His name is Beak.
Beak's mutant powers? He's a human-chicken. Could glide a little, had hollow bones, tougher muscle to a degree, but in the end an average human of standard training could still beat him up rather easily.
Imagine hitting puberty and turning into that. Imagine the fact there are worse mutations to turn into, some incredibly painful or immobile or maddening. Only a small percentage of mutants really had powers worth a note, vast majority were not so lucky or fortunate.
Actually that's not quite true. Even the most beloved and trusted group, the Fantastic Four, have had their detractors. Marvel has from time to time expanded on that, citizens not fully trusting or being accepting of super heroes or constantly questioned and surveillance. Even the Avengers had had protests against them, lawsuits to get them out of New York,, and remember that the Superhuman Registration Act started in the Fantastic Four comics in the 80s.
In fact back in the 1980s the original five X-Men started a new team called X-Factor. Part of their deal was sometimes they pretended to be normal human "mutant hunters" that people could call and track down, imprison, and deal with them such as homeless teen mutants. They were cheered in their "human" disguise and people would actually give statements to the effect that they were glad there were regular humans they could call, saying that even the Fantastic Four were a bit too strange for them. The most trusted and beloved family in New York of the super powered set, and a lot of the average citizen was happy they stayed in a tower, away from everyone else.
Before M-Day though when they decreased mutant population to that several hundred instead of over half the Earth's population, it sometimes came up that people were accepting that mutants and mutated humans (Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, etc) weren't all that different and it stopped being special or a real distinction. Human Torch goes to a high school to show off powers and give an inspirational speech to students, people don't care because half the student body are mutants or knows a mutant. While high school teacher Peter Parker being married to a super model, now that was worthwhile to cheer and be impressed by.
On the other hand, Beast is an X-Men and an Avenger, has been for a long time. He's been cheered and has a huge female fanbase (women like the soft fur) and everyone knew he was a mutant. As an Avenger where they were open and public, played game, he went on dates in the public, did interviews, guest hosted the Tonight Show, etc, he was loved. While as an X-Men, he broke the laws, hid from police and military forces, took part in what can easily be described as terrorist acts, people tend to not like that.
Though I do agree, they should have just merged mutant heroes and non-mutant heroes into the same umbrella long ago.
For example, here was an average mutant in the 2000s. His name is Beak.
Beak's mutant powers? He's a human-chicken. Could glide a little, had hollow bones, tougher muscle to a degree, but in the end an average human of standard training could still beat him up rather easily.
Imagine hitting puberty and turning into that. Imagine the fact there are worse mutations to turn into, some incredibly painful or immobile or maddening. Only a small percentage of mutants really had powers worth a note, vast majority were not so lucky or fortunate.
Actually that's not quite true. Even the most beloved and trusted group, the Fantastic Four, have had their detractors. Marvel has from time to time expanded on that, citizens not fully trusting or being accepting of super heroes or constantly questioned and surveillance. Even the Avengers had had protests against them, lawsuits to get them out of New York,, and remember that the Superhuman Registration Act started in the Fantastic Four comics in the 80s.
In fact back in the 1980s the original five X-Men started a new team called X-Factor. Part of their deal was sometimes they pretended to be normal human "mutant hunters" that people could call and track down, imprison, and deal with them such as homeless teen mutants. They were cheered in their "human" disguise and people would actually give statements to the effect that they were glad there were regular humans they could call, saying that even the Fantastic Four were a bit too strange for them. The most trusted and beloved family in New York of the super powered set, and a lot of the average citizen was happy they stayed in a tower, away from everyone else.
Before M-Day though when they decreased mutant population to that several hundred instead of over half the Earth's population, it sometimes came up that people were accepting that mutants and mutated humans (Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, etc) weren't all that different and it stopped being special or a real distinction. Human Torch goes to a high school to show off powers and give an inspirational speech to students, people don't care because half the student body are mutants or knows a mutant. While high school teacher Peter Parker being married to a super model, now that was worthwhile to cheer and be impressed by.
On the other hand, Beast is an X-Men and an Avenger, has been for a long time. He's been cheered and has a huge female fanbase (women like the soft fur) and everyone knew he was a mutant. As an Avenger where they were open and public, played game, he went on dates in the public, did interviews, guest hosted the Tonight Show, etc, he was loved. While as an X-Men, he broke the laws, hid from police and military forces, took part in what can easily be described as terrorist acts, people tend to not like that.
Though I do agree, they should have just merged mutant heroes and non-mutant heroes into the same umbrella long ago.
BattleMonkey
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Which they essentially had the X book stars sit out on, and again treated the two groups as completely different. It took them how many decades to even bring it up and then of course its all swept under the rug and back to status quo in a few months.
Back to hating mutants! Oh look Hulk is declaring war on the planet....
Marvel isn't logical.
I love Kitties
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It would probably be awful to be a mutant. Sure, some of them have awesome powers, but others might be crazy deformed or have trouble controlling their "gift". I'll bet many would line up for a cure, if there was one. Pretty unlikely, since the mutation probably occurs on different genes. I think I'd rather be just regular human. We have enough problems without adding some potentially deadly ability, government control, and discrimination. So yes, I do have sympathy for mutants.
OP has a point. I would feel comfortable once we Allied a group of them to cooperate with our government and recruit other promising young mutants. Or prior to any amazing acts of violence. Once one or two of those happen, then you have to move to allying government mutants and banning any public use of mutant powers not government permitted or licensed magicians/entertainers. (Feel free in your home to practice them, on your property non-violently.)
Of course not, then they would be boring.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Sadly not all powers are created equal. My only problem is the evolution shit that gets spouted. They are experiments, not an evolution of mankind.
Oh yes, shooting "optic blast" whenever you open your eyes (if you don't wear sunglasses) is such a delightful ability. Same as sucking out people's life power (or whatever Rouge is doing) just by touching someone. Or looking like a freak with a blue fur all over your body. Or having huge wings.
Yes, some of those powers are cool, but some of them are not. And you have to take into consideration that most of those mutants have to learn how to control their powers, otherwise you end up with a kid that can involuntarily burn hundreds of people just by being near them.
Angelus Errare
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We totally need to register and mark all Americans who are middle eastern because I mean sure lots of good middle easterns could be hurt by this, but being able to respond to terrorist threat without the use of a vigilante group of Americans should be the goal of our government. Without knowing what is out there how can we possibly be able to respond?
Good middle easterns should realize this and voluntarily register.
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I think the whole Marvel universe bullshit and everything being together really destroyed the theme and any value xmen had. Everyone has a super power now so not it just seems contrived that everyone is hating xmen powers but no the avengers etc. So I dont even take it seriously anymore.
Rapscallion
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Registration makes sense, but they make it out to be really insidious in different X-men universes. If it wasn't corrupt, I could see a mutant registration working.
So there is some crazy going on with him but mostly it's because he inherently mistrusts humans, gotcha
Right. They never try to hide in the end, Magneto is always a crazy megalomaniac super villain.
Well that's the funny thing, DC and it's superheroes had a registration and identification act and it did work. Someone like Flash, Green Arrow II, and Green Lantern had previously identified their code-names, their abilities, usually the areas they would work with, and have knowledge of how to work with police and other emergency services. With that and being registered with a way to verify it (e.g. Justice League or United Nations or Titans), they could then even attend court cases and give testimony without revealing their secret identities.
They don't for the most part every day, but they have tests to see if someone is a mutant. Avengers have worked with numerous governments and gone through scans that can tell if someone is a mutant (no robot Sentinel scanning their DNA and declaring "Mutant Target Had Been Identified". Most though people know aren't mutants, Captain America was super steroids experiment, Iron Man has been a series of guys in a walking tank, Thor is a god (even worshipped by some), everyone already fears the Hulk, some are vetted by governments, some were around in the public conciousness before mutants were well known and thus already accepted, etc. Even the Avengers that have been mutants, of which there have been dozens, have been generally more well received because Avengers are big time and celebrity heroes highly trusted, though there is still hate for them. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver had protesters attack their first homes, Firestar and Justice got death threats and bombs (also a dead mutant fetus once), etc.
People generally don't trust Spider-Man. He's a disgusting and creepy arachnid in a silly costume that climbs ceilings and outside walls that the news has constantly told people he is a menace with the police off and on firing bullets at him over the years. Some think he is a mutant already, others don't care and just hate him.
As I said before, some people already are glad the Fantastic Four live in their ivory tower, away from the average person. Also Franklin Richards, the son, is a mutant and has been nearly killed for it.
Generally they get by because they were really public about their stealing of a space rocket and getting their powers, than being vetted by governments and militaries across the world.
Some like the Hulk are always hated and feared.
All of which is nothing compared to Howard The Duck. Who is not an alien, as he was born on (an) Earth. He is not a mutant, was never human. Not a god, he's just a taxi driver. Rather than hating him, fearing him, or even wanting to deal with him, he's a non-entity according to all important taxes and laws.
Well that's the funny thing, DC and it's superheroes had a registration and identification act and it did work. Someone like Flash, Green Arrow II, and Green Lantern had previously identified their code-names, their abilities, usually the areas they would work with, and have knowledge of how to work with police and other emergency services. With that and being registered with a way to verify it (e.g. Justice League or United Nations or Titans), they could then even attend court cases and give testimony without revealing their secret identities.
They don't for the most part every day, but they have tests to see if someone is a mutant. Avengers have worked with numerous governments and gone through scans that can tell if someone is a mutant (no robot Sentinel scanning their DNA and declaring "Mutant Target Had Been Identified". Most though people know aren't mutants, Captain America was super steroids experiment, Iron Man has been a series of guys in a walking tank, Thor is a god (even worshipped by some), everyone already fears the Hulk, some are vetted by governments, some were around in the public conciousness before mutants were well known and thus already accepted, etc. Even the Avengers that have been mutants, of which there have been dozens, have been generally more well received because Avengers are big time and celebrity heroes highly trusted, though there is still hate for them. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver had protesters attack their first homes, Firestar and Justice got death threats and bombs (also a dead mutant fetus once), etc.
People generally don't trust Spider-Man. He's a disgusting and creepy arachnid in a silly costume that climbs ceilings and outside walls that the news has constantly told people he is a menace with the police off and on firing bullets at him over the years. Some think he is a mutant already, others don't care and just hate him.
As I said before, some people already are glad the Fantastic Four live in their ivory tower, away from the average person. Also Franklin Richards, the son, is a mutant and has been nearly killed for it.
Generally they get by because they were really public about their stealing of a space rocket and getting their powers, than being vetted by governments and militaries across the world.
Some like the Hulk are always hated and feared.
All of which is nothing compared to Howard The Duck. Who is not an alien, as he was born on (an) Earth. He is not a mutant, was never human. Not a god, he's just a taxi driver. Rather than hating him, fearing him, or even wanting to deal with him, he's a non-entity according to all important taxes and laws.
They don't. Fortunately, humans in the Marvel U are ungrateful assholes who are capable of hating all superheroes equally.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm protecting the human species. Can't you understand?! I see terrible things in our future. Metaphorically. I don't have clairvoyance.
Some like them, some hate them.
Unspeakable Evil
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Equality and shit.
Mandatory registration. Annual examinations by govt medical teams. If deemed too dangerous to society, locked away or sent to labor camp.
Sentinels have their own HQs much like the police. One on every neighborhood. Ever evolving, always improving.
Safety for homo sapiens above all else.
Sorry muties.
Sentinels have their own HQs much like the police. One on every neighborhood. Ever evolving, always improving.
Safety for homo sapiens above all else.
Sorry muties.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Here are two viewpoints on Mutants that exist in the Marvel U. One ask for peace and equal treatment and the other is pretty much threatening violence if mutants are harmed.
The problem is when most mutant powers spark, they have a possibility of harming others. So police or other authorities sometimes react in a aggressive way. Then Xclops x-men arrive and try to help, usually causing more mayhem.
What SHIELD needs to do is make a new procedure with how to handle new mutants, have trained mutants stationed around the world that could solve a new mutant outburst as fast and quietly possible. Expand the Xavier's School and help these new mutants have control then let them decide what they want to do next.
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The problem is when most mutant powers spark, they have a possibility of harming others. So police or other authorities sometimes react in a aggressive way. Then Xclops x-men arrive and try to help, usually causing more mayhem.
What SHIELD needs to do is make a new procedure with how to handle new mutants, have trained mutants stationed around the world that could solve a new mutant outburst as fast and quietly possible. Expand the Xavier's School and help these new mutants have control then let them decide what they want to do next.
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Perhaps this is preferable over systematic corruption and nepotism.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
People aren't logical.
The X-Men were always meant to be an allegory for racism and other prejudices, but the world got more complicated and writers and artists change around too much.
Justice_dp
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Yeah that's the problem. I can't stand Wanda currently because her character is so convulted and Children's Crusade - the story that SHOULD redeem her - made all the other characters idots. And this only works when you think that they were acting brilliant during AvX. Otherwise the term idiot does not nearly cover their stupidity in CC...
Damn her whole character is so messed up that everything she is in, has a very bad taste for me.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Op you sound like a racist mutant hater to me
I'm voting for this guy!
The Abominable Snowman
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There are several mutants too powerful to contain, and some don't come into the peak of their abilities until a traumatic event.
And of course the presence of Mutants draw celestial and intergalactic attention. Do you agree with just shelving mutants until they have some sort of military purpose? Thats even more inhumane.
dark_prinny
Banned
I just like Volverine and Magneto. The rest can go fuck themselves.
Cheese Raptor
Banned
Not many people have access to that stuff. But I see your point. Humanity is destructive by itself. By imprisoning them instead of helping them deal with their life you just piss them off and they hate humanity.
Cheese Raptor
Banned
At least in the 90s tv show he used his powers mostly offensively. Only thing I remember him killing are the sentinels.
-Pyromaniac-
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I like how Kitty Pryde only ever mentions she's Jewish when she needs something to compare to mutant prejudice.
Loved how wound-up X-Men fanboys got over that Havok speech in Uncanny Avengers, even Bendis was reduced to childish trolling.
foxuzamaki
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I read this somewhere but can't remember for the life of me where, the description that is, would love to read the comic its in
BuddyJoeHooker
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I was real close to posting the Kitty speech too, but I didn't think a story about her encounter with racism had anything to do with Havok's speech for equality.
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