SF Kosmo
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Assassin's Creed ShadowsCan you point to one example of this? I remember journalist grifters having a meltdown over there not being black people in KCbut not anyone being upset that a game had a black character somewhere in it.
Does Wokeness effect your will to want to buy a game?
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MiguelItUp
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I couldn't agree more.
Game interest me because of their gameplay. Well and the IP they're connected to. I really couldn't care less about what is apparently "woke" to people. Hell, the topic and adjacent ones just feel like rage for the sake of raging these days. It's like nonstop rage bait.
If a game is good/great, I don't think anything that's "woke" is a driving factor on it. So, people don't react. But we've seen enough examples that fell flat on their face, and it wasn't because they were "woke" before they were a game. They were just a bad game to begin with. So "go woke go broke" doesn't really prove a point because the game itself is bad and failed because it was bad. Not because it was "woke" or whatever.
Dustborn wasn't a game anyone cared about. Hell, a ton (including myself) didn't even know about it before release. Just like that Greek god and goddess game. Along with whatever others, you get the idea, lol.
MSduderino
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One can also think DEI practices have gone too far and are problematic, while also thinking anti-woke crusaders are childish snowflakes that overreact to the first sight of LGBT or POC character. I think there are some valid points about businesses trying too hard to be inclusive and cater to minorities. There's also an exaggeration of how much this is affecting the industry by some people. As some have mentioned, some decidedly "woke" games such as BG3 and Hogwarts Legacy sales have not been affected in the same way as Concord and DA Veilguard.
Superkewl
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I voted "Yes, I do not buy" but after thinking about it, it depends.
Old bioware games such as Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1 had gay and Bi relationships, however they were optional and avoidable, and they are among my all time favourite games. Even more recent games like Starfield had pronouns in the character creator, but as I recall, it actually had no effect on the game, so who really cares.
It all depends on how overtly the agenda pushing is I suppose.
Old bioware games such as Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1 had gay and Bi relationships, however they were optional and avoidable, and they are among my all time favourite games. Even more recent games like Starfield had pronouns in the character creator, but as I recall, it actually had no effect on the game, so who really cares.
It all depends on how overtly the agenda pushing is I suppose.
SF Kosmo
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There are tons of games with people bitching about what they see as "forced diversity." Look at the discourse around The Witcher TV adaptation or whatever.
Hell, the Indiana Jones thread had people complaining that they had a WW1 veteran character who used a hearing aid. Stuff like that is just straight up diversity panic.
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rodrigolfp
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Never full price, at least.
Singular7
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I wouldn't play a game promoting communism or adultery.
So yes, I will absolutely ban a 'woke' game, the philosophical points they are making are destructive.
I like genuine heroes, that become heroes, because they are righteous legends.
'woke' heroes are just losers reluctantly helping the peons they despise. Gross.
So yes, I will absolutely ban a 'woke' game, the philosophical points they are making are destructive.
I like genuine heroes, that become heroes, because they are righteous legends.
'woke' heroes are just losers reluctantly helping the peons they despise. Gross.
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Punished Miku
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Yes, the devs can push this slop to the crazies!
SF Kosmo
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You sound like someone who unironically watches Kevin Sorbo movies.
"the existence of a black character anywhere in the game"
Who is complaining that like a random npc is black? That's what you're implying.
I agree, I don't play games to see myself in someone else's shoes. I play them and watch good movies to escape reality for a change!
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SF Kosmo
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You're getting a little aspie about this. I provided clear examples of the kind of diversity panic I am referring to, would you like to address them or just trying to hyper drill down on semantics?
Wimbledon
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To a certain degree YES...that being said, there are certain genres of games that no matter what they do i wouldn't buy them. I don't like hero 5v5 shooter genre aka Overwatch, something like Concord even if wasn't as woke as it was still wouldn't have mattered, i still wouldn't buy it.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I think it's one of those things where people became more and more aware of it over time. And the more they consciously noticed it, the more they hated it. "Woke" is just the label that got slapped on it now that people have become aware enough to give a name to this idea.
Fess
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Wait so they shoehorned religion into the mix with the lesbian couple and one part being foul mouthed Ellie?
It's like a check box creation just to stir up conversations. Was there a trans muslim in there as well?
Singular7
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So funny, I loved Hercules in the 90's or whenever that was. You got me man! I like cheesy good people, not anti-heroes and dumpster fire people.
Stargate SG1, DS9, TNG, all the good classic solid messaging systems. I've never stolen in an Elder Scrolls game or given an 'evil' reply in a Mass Effect game LOL
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You made a ridiculous claim and are now hurling insults when you can't back it up. Could have just admitted it was a stupid claim and we'd all have moved on.
Hugare
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We are reaching the point where a game having a female lead can be called "woke" by some, so I dont know what you mean by woke.
My answer tho is: it depends. To me, forced inclusivity, "girl boss" stuff and etc. usually turns me off. If done correctly, I dont mind.
Bill in The Last of Us is inclusivty done right. His gender is not 100% of his personality. Him being straight or not, his story would have been the same, and thats awesome.
Pretty much every LGBT character in Cyberpunk was awesome. They dont spend time saying how they struggle for being gay, trans or whatever. If you dont go deep into Clair's substory you wouldnt even know she is trans.
What I cant stand is stuff like "telling my mother I'm non binary" cutscene in freaking Dragon Age.
My answer tho is: it depends. To me, forced inclusivity, "girl boss" stuff and etc. usually turns me off. If done correctly, I dont mind.
Bill in The Last of Us is inclusivty done right. His gender is not 100% of his personality. Him being straight or not, his story would have been the same, and thats awesome.
Pretty much every LGBT character in Cyberpunk was awesome. They dont spend time saying how they struggle for being gay, trans or whatever. If you dont go deep into Clair's substory you wouldnt even know she is trans.
What I cant stand is stuff like "telling my mother I'm non binary" cutscene in freaking Dragon Age.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
There is a difference between Sexual Lifesyle and wokeness. One is a choice and the other is an insane ideology.
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This isn't complicated at all, if you don't like me then don't ask me for my money (for something that is an optional expense, I don't need games to survive or live). That's all there is to it and these 'woke' games are made by people that don't like me.
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SF Kosmo
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I made a slightly hyperbolic formulation of a perfectly valid point that you refuse to engage with in a normal manner, even with plenty of clarification and examples. You're being deliberately obtuse. You know exactly what I mean when I talk about diversity panic and instead of engaging with that, you're just obsessing over "It's not ALL minority characters" as if that's a win.
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ShadyAcshuns
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So many games to pick from now, so it's easy to avoid things I don't approve of.
You made a claim, I asked for evidence. How was that not engaging in a normal manner?
You're the one who threw a tantrum insult.
Wtf are you talking about? You said that people are upset if there's black people "anywhere in a game". I asked for an example and all you had was the MC of AC Shadows as if THAT was a win lmao.
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SF Kosmo
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I meant like this kind of Kevin Sorbo movies, like where he defends his family from antifas in the woods and shit. That's what I think you like.
Humdinger
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I picked "do not buy," although I have to add, what makes a game "woke" to me is about the characters, story, and dialog. It's not (for example) about the inclusion of pronouns in a character menu. Different people draw the "It's woke" line in different places.
The inclusion/diversity also has to feel artificial and forced, rather than a natural part of the story. For example, I don't think just including a gay or transgender character makes a game "woke." Some people do, but I think they're misunderstanding what the term signifies.
The inclusion/diversity also has to feel artificial and forced, rather than a natural part of the story. For example, I don't think just including a gay or transgender character makes a game "woke." Some people do, but I think they're misunderstanding what the term signifies.
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StereoVsn
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The reason people didn't like this particular bit wasn't because the character was black but sheer ass backwardness of Ubisoft who after time and time again being asked to do AC Japan decides to do that by not actually having a male Japanese character.
Yes, we have Naomi as alternate character but everything from marketing to Ubi talks focused mainly on Yosuke.
If there was another AC in a different region with a black character in a time frame the makes sense, nobody would bat an eye (reasonable people).
However having this particular character in Shadows especially with those couple terrible initial reveals soured folks on the game.
At the end of the day, for me, it very much depends on the quality of the writing. Writing what people would describe as "woke", is simply including political social commentary in the narrative. However, to do this and it not come across as incredibly preachy, and thus incredibly annoying, requires particularly good writer who are able to weave it in naturally and with subtlety and nuance.
The problem is MOST writers, especially in gaming, are just bang average or below average, and not sufficiently skilled to do so. The industry has started pushing this ideology in a very high percentage of major releases, and in the majority of times it's done very badly. As a result of this, when people see indications/patterns, such as the character from intergalactic that telegraph this ideology, the assumption is immediately that it will be badly written, hamfisted disengenous preaching.
I play games for story. If the story is ruined by really poor attempts at handling topics beyond the writers skill, then it's really off putting and sours the experience.
So yeah, I now wait until stuff is well reviewed and/or heavily discounted.
Naughty dog i do think have the capability to do it well (and have previously). My worry is a large number of people, seeing the pattern, will not give it a chance, and their decisions in the current political environment will be a major financial loss. Those pushing this stuff brought it on their selves by over playing their hand imo, it's just pissed off many people and likely undone a lot of work of their forebears.
The problem is MOST writers, especially in gaming, are just bang average or below average, and not sufficiently skilled to do so. The industry has started pushing this ideology in a very high percentage of major releases, and in the majority of times it's done very badly. As a result of this, when people see indications/patterns, such as the character from intergalactic that telegraph this ideology, the assumption is immediately that it will be badly written, hamfisted disengenous preaching.
I play games for story. If the story is ruined by really poor attempts at handling topics beyond the writers skill, then it's really off putting and sours the experience.
So yeah, I now wait until stuff is well reviewed and/or heavily discounted.
Naughty dog i do think have the capability to do it well (and have previously). My worry is a large number of people, seeing the pattern, will not give it a chance, and their decisions in the current political environment will be a major financial loss. Those pushing this stuff brought it on their selves by over playing their hand imo, it's just pissed off many people and likely undone a lot of work of their forebears.
SF Kosmo
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Let's be honest, grifters deliberately pick bad games to label as woke in order to affirm the "gamers are rejecting woke" narrative and avoid giving high quality, popular games the same treatment.
Baldur's Gate 3 can be about a racially diverse group of polyamorous pansexuals galumphing around the woods fucking bears, but Asmondgold isn't gonna call it woke because that would fuck up his narrative.
Same for, say, Bioshock, a whole game about the horrors of Anarcho-capitalism, but even die hard ancaps like Colin Moriarty will say it's one of their favorite games because it's objectively good.
But bad games like Suicide Squad or Concord? They get called wokedy woke woke because... Reasons. Gay pride skins and diverse characters or whatever. Doesn't matter if Fortnite and Overwatch and every other game have that shit, Concord and Suicide Squad are the ones we go for because their failure is useful to the grifter narrative.
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James Sawyer Ford
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What excuses?
I take it you don't play any of Microsoft's "Woke" games made by "Woke" developers for "Modern Audiences"?
MSduderino
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Well said. I wonder what the anti-woke have to say about the successful "woke" games.
Gp1
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I like the "choices" right after the exchange
You are right
You are right but different
She's wrong
She's so wrong
Spitfire098
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Wolves hunt in packs
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I don't remember many games i didn't play because woke, i even somewhat enjoyed Saints Row 22, with it's cast of numbnuts.
My issue with woke is how they treat anything that in their imagination is wrong, RE5, KCD and the cream of the crop Hogwarts Legacy.
My issue with woke is how they treat anything that in their imagination is wrong, RE5, KCD and the cream of the crop Hogwarts Legacy.
AtomicStarving
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Yes. Why play this dog shit when theres a ton of old games to play... dont be stooopid
nkarafo
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You didn't have to explain that to him, he knows very well why this game got the flak it got, he is just being disingenuous.
SF Kosmo
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Yeah I am buying good games regardless of politics. I don't care about anyone's cancel discourse.
Dr.brain64
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No.
Starbuck2907
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I've basically stopped buying games with a woke agenda crammed into them. I don't mind diversity or people with sexual differences, but when the character creator has "chest scsr surgery" options or anything that feels forced, and a lot if it does, I'm out. I'm fine with subtlety but not in your face stuff, and I have no interest in struggles gay/transgender rights issues. If other people are into that, fine, but I have no interest in those plot points. I don't like being preached too and it's often preachy.
SF Kosmo
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Aren't options, by definition, not forced?
InterMusketeer
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- "Woke" is subjective, so people might consider games or elements woke when others don't.
- A lot of companies "sneak in the DEI vegetables" as one of their supporters once worded it. The overall meal could still be good, but one could still oppose certain ingredients.
- People are happy when games they dislike fail, so that's what they'll latch onto. It doesn't make much sense to celebrate a game you dislike succeeding.
StereoVsn
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I would rather state again vs people keeping using the old excuse that everyone who didn't like Yosuke in the game is racist.
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