lol I'll never take a review that complains about difficulty seriously, for this game or any other.
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Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze |OT| There's always money in the banana stand
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lol I'll never take a review that complains about difficulty seriously, for this game or any other.
Having been on GAF during/before E3, and ever since that random tweet by a Retro employee about "crunch time" for a new game, everyone was thinking Retro was working on some completely new project that would justify the Wii U. It turned out to be Donkey Kong. Thanks to the bad timing of NSMB2 and DKCR3D, the Wii U seemed to be suffering from more of the same syndrome in terms of line-up.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I have the magazine and can confirm this is accurate.
It would be a shame if the game turned out to be a great 2D platformer and all some reviewers could talk about is how it's not a certain other game. Fans I can understand, their opinions don't result in more/less sales like a reviewer's opinion would. Complaining about "X" game not being what they wanted in a review just screams of unprofessionalism, review the game for what it is, not what you wanted.
I guess you are refering to my disapproval of the 5/10 score. We'll see come Friday (or tomorrow in the review thread).
Thanks for the info. I went ahead and found several recent locked TF threads and still can't find McShea's posts. Can you give me a further hint?
You know, maybe I was a bit short-sighted. Perhaps GS is just harder on everyone (this is from Metacritic):
For 9,845 reviews, this publication has graded:
*
44% higher than the average critic
*
6% same as the average critic
*
50% lower than the average critic
On average, this publication grades 5.4 points lower than other critics. (0-100 point scale)
FWIW though, I have had this impression of Gamespot for several years IIRC, and I did always feel like blockbuster games that were not on Nintendo systems were scored just as high as other reviewers' did, in general. I see though that with people talking about some other consoles' games' reviews on there, that this is not always the case.
Congrats!! That's quite an accomplishment. I still have some to get in the K levels.
I'm still hoping to see an Iwata Asks for Pikmin 3 once all of the DLC has been released.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
When Retro's 2D Metroid comes out holiday 2016 they will bitch that it's not a 3D Metroid.
I've given up hope
GremlinFool
Member
As they should, as long as Nintendo obdurately and staunchly ignores popular demand.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
If you want more on ONM's thoughts on DKC:TF, they talk about it in the new ONM podcast, (about 7 minutes in.)
http://medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/podcast/onm_podcast.xml
http://medialib.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/podcast/onm_podcast.xml
Seriously? I'd much rather Retro work on something they want to work on rather than be forced into something because of popular demand. They could make a new Ice Climbers and I wouldn't be angry (I hate the original Ice Climbers).
Except that Metroid bombed on Wii.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
I'm sure there are just as many people who would love a 2D Metroid as a 3D one. Not everyone thinks Prime is the greatest game ever.
Popular demand for a 3D Metroid? Popular demand for a Metroid game in general? What?
Please tell me you're not going to post quotes from a bunch of GAF posters claiming that's popular demand.
How many times does this need to be mentioned? Donkey Kong Country Returns outsold the ENTIRE Metroid Prime Trilogy. If we're talking popular demand, they met it with releasing a Donkey Kong game and not a Metroid Prime game
fredrancour
Member
"Well Miyamoto 'announced' this game out of nowhere with no advanced planning during that e3 roundtable, so our options were to make miyamoto look like a douche or suck it up and make the thing, and I wasn't sure if I could get away with telling Miyamoto to go screw himself, so I was stuck with putting the game into production, even though we knew it wouldn't really do much for the company business-wise." *laughs*
I'm really glad that Pikmin 3 exists but I'm pretty sure this is how things happened.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Part of why reviews are pointless now: it's somehow become acceptable for them to be used as soapboxes to make statements and shit.
Just accept your irrelevance.
Just accept your irrelevance.
One reviewer said the game relies heavily on swimming missions? Thats not a great bit of info, but there have been other DKs that do quite a few swimming missions and they ended up ok.
I picked up the 3DS game when it came out but the framerate killed alot of the fun, the level design that make DKC series great just isn't there, it's close to it but they've made it more rely on frustation than fun in some parts like those terrible rocket levels, they even forgot the magic of the minecart level design. It was sad that to have a sensible control scheme for that game you had to suffer the bad framrate. At least we don't have that issue with this upcoming game.
I hope the game is better than the 3DS/Wii one, watching that gameexplain video and hearing the audio track it made me want this game so badly, not that the audio was lacking in DKC:R but not as memorable as the old titles. Oh and the godawful boss fights who can remove that from their brains.
Things can only go up from here?
Edit sorry if it's already been posted but heres the kotaku recorded stream of the entire game, the dude gets agitated! That music stays awesome though the game looks ok I only skipped around the video. http://www.twitch.tv/biggestinjapan/b/503438141
I picked up the 3DS game when it came out but the framerate killed alot of the fun, the level design that make DKC series great just isn't there, it's close to it but they've made it more rely on frustation than fun in some parts like those terrible rocket levels, they even forgot the magic of the minecart level design. It was sad that to have a sensible control scheme for that game you had to suffer the bad framrate. At least we don't have that issue with this upcoming game.
I hope the game is better than the 3DS/Wii one, watching that gameexplain video and hearing the audio track it made me want this game so badly, not that the audio was lacking in DKC:R but not as memorable as the old titles. Oh and the godawful boss fights who can remove that from their brains.
Things can only go up from here?
Edit sorry if it's already been posted but heres the kotaku recorded stream of the entire game, the dude gets agitated! That music stays awesome though the game looks ok I only skipped around the video. http://www.twitch.tv/biggestinjapan/b/503438141
Coffee Dog
Banned
Hilarious.
It's not the opinion that bothers me (in fact it's one that I shared up until recently), it's the fact that it may be used to review the game negatively. It has no bearing on the games quality at all and simply shouldn't be brought up in the review.
Ofcourse it may be the case that he genuinely doesn't like the game for legitimate reasons, and that's perfectly fine even if I don't end up agreeing. You'll never see me say a review is bad for something as silly as differing opinions. And even if he does review it negatively simply because he thinks DK is beneath Retro, I won't say it's a bad review. I just think it's unfair to both the developers and the game itself.
Ofcourse I may be jumping the gun here, since it's entirely possible that he wont bring this up in the review. I'm not even sure if it is him reviewing the gamem since previews and reviews aren't always done by the same people.
I was playing some Ice Climbers in NES Remix yesterday. I don't think I've ever played the original. The controls and hit detection are so wonky. I had to reach a condor at the top of a stage and it took me a loooong time.
I feel bad for taking the time to humor a joke post :/
GremlinFool
Member
Citing sales for for the Wii iteration is misguided at best and patently misleading at worst. DKCR sold well because it benefited from the strong first-party software environment that permeated the Wii's first five years in the market. Nintendo's predicated a lot of its regressive software decisions for the Wii U on past sales performance. Almost across the board, its efforts have floundered. The entire Wii __ series has bombed. NSMB U has dramatically missed expectations.
Nintendo should be seeking to chorale the scattered remnant shards of its old hardcore fanbase back to Wii U, and bringing a proper Metroid game to the Wii U may be a small step in the positive direction on that front. Another unwarranted, undesired, unasked for Donkey Kong game is mindbogglingly tone deaf.
More specifically, though, I was addressing the point of Nintendo opting for a 2D Metroid game rather than a 3D one, which I think would be equally disastrous. The market for 2D games, particularly in the West on home consoles, is sufficiently low that Nintendo probably shouldn't make three (3!) installments of its marquee franchises in 2D. But again, obdurately and staunchly ignores popular demand.
Same here. That's a good advice. I will also hold off my disapproval of certain reviews for tomorrows review thread. Let's keep the OT clean and focused on the actualy game.
Outtrigger888
Member
What gets me is when he complains that you need to memorize the level to complete it. This is the watermelon level, where the big row of cutters slam down on the small platforms.
Does he really want them cutters slamming down randomly, with no rhythm? He would of probably died, at least 5x more.
Also, reviewers need to stick to just reviewing the game, without bringing in outside emotions of what game they think the developer should of made.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Metroid would do nothing for the Wii U.
Except give us another high quality game which is what Tropical Freeze seems to be doing.
This "we didn't ask for" _______ game is such garbage.
I'd say as many people would say that about another Prime as they do for another Donkey Kong.
Maybe not here but this place doesn't represent anything in the large scheme of themes.
In an effort to swing this topic back to the game and not have it be a reviews and Metroid discussion. How about that Big Top Bop eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybEwzEbYxW8
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I heard this is the name of an unlockable level in Tropical Freeze.
I didn't even mean to rhyme but I like the way that sounds so I won't edit it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Every game needs at least one metal-ish track.
Dude, I've had that song on repeat all day! It's amazing!
Brings a big smile to my face! Sooo good!
dampflokfreund
Banned
If Retro's gonna make a 2D Metroid on WiiU, the shitstorm would be probably absolutely outstanding
WTF, nobody would believe me if I told them this was a Donkey Kong track.
Damn you, David Wise!
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
The amount of music in this game seems to me staggering but maybe it's par for the course.
Outtrigger888
Member
I love the part at 1:27, onwards.
I believe thats when the boss flys up and hangs in the air, and then comes slamming down the half pipe.
World-3 Boss has even greater music.
D
Deleted member 125677
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Excuse me, but what the hell are you doing in this thread? Do you feel that the OT is a good place to discuss what other game Retro should have made instead?
That's a legit discussion, and it has been discussed since E3 all around, but it has no place what so ever in this thread.
Great music, had fun demoing that level during the E3 Best Buy event
GremlinFool
Member
You're right. I was just sort of responding to the post addressed at me and some of the ridiculous personal attacks levied against reviewers whose full review text for this game hasn't been released yet. Please, carry on.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Is it?
I think it is. I don't see anything wrong in asking or wondering why X is making Y instead of Z, but I also think that question has been answered, if I'm not mistaken, so there's no point in asking it again here.
Retro said they wanted to make a new a DKC, and if you think they're being coerced into giving that answer, well...DKCR sold more than the Metroid games, so we can infer that's why Nintendo has them making a new DKC game. Now let's focus on Tropical Freeze.
Got me. Truth be told I haven't paid attention to TF threads (I'm going in 95% blind, fuck yeah) so I don't know if he's feeling the game or not.
Probably did it on purpose.