SteveWinwood
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pick more carries plz rox
Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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Well, the problem here is you're assuming that PL lives in this ideal world where he's never ganked or punished or the opposing team doesn't choose to knock on your doorsteps. There are appropriate steps to take when dealing with the lancer and Rox.Kis chose the beat-them-in-midgame route... except Alch chose the worst possible items to deal with a PL.
It's really silly to say "once x hero is fed, game is over" because you can say that for a lot of heroes. Void fed? Yeah good luck dealing with that. CK/Wisp fed? Okay, have fun ever catching up. AM fed? Enjoy dat splitpush forever. Blahty blah. This premise that a hero that is fed is hard to deal with is ridiculous because, ideally, you don't let x hero get fed in the first place.
Prob a bit impressed after seeing a "professional" team being stomped, but I'd love to see a visual cue to Doppelwalk.
Mouz is showing how to deal with a PL right now..
pieatorium
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lol raging that we can't hear
Doc Holliday
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What stream are you guys watching?
nm got it
nm got it
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shira
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What a nice dress
And they did.
I still cant believe you dont get the point that once you have a fed hero, none will surpass PL. And the only counter you have is "don't let him farm", that IS ridiculous. And that was an offlane PL.
Taking Queen of Pain.
anti fun always wins always gets farm icefraud plz nerf impossible to counter blink op
PL is so so hard to deal with if he gets farm, but he's the most useless hero in the game until he gets that farm, so yeah you have great late game potential but you're pretty much playing 4v5 until at least mid game. One of the biggest problems is that it's so easy to get the farm you need, which can't be said about many other heroes. According to dotabuff, so this is for pub games, PL wins ~54% of games compared to AM and FV who win ~42% if you want to take that as meaning anything.
An indicator for doppelwalk would be nice, and maybe a small drop in agility gain.
An indicator for doppelwalk would be nice, and maybe a small drop in agility gain.
Yes, but there must always be a hero that's the best late game hero, right now it's PL, before it has been medusa and some other heroes.
THEY EVEN HAD FUCKING SILENCER! Still survive the silence and blink away, fukken gg.
There are like plenty of carries that can 1v1 PL with even farm..
Tiny, Sven, Luna, Void, Kunkka, Medusa, Gyrocopter, maybe AM and PA if they get good RNG..
And several of those are better than PL early game as well, so they can bully him and keep him from farming.
And they were balanced accordingly. PL needs that.
I has been bugged for some time. Yesterday it showed 11k when there where about 80k viewers.
This page shows the correct count: http://www.twitch.tv/directory
So which hero is allowed to be the best late game carry after Void?
edit: As a matter of fact, Void is pretty much always guaranteed to be the best maxed out carry because of Chronosphere. That's not fair, all the other late game heroes "were balanced accordingly" right? Void needs that.
The Technomancer
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This is all I want. Let me see when I should use my dust instead of forcing me to gamble on if he's actually around or not. And no, I can't attack all the illusions to find the real one, because by that time if he was around he has doppelwalked and is 1500+ units away.
Void at least requires some skill. A bad placed ulti can screw your entire team. PL is just hit a creep wave-> spawn 10 illusion-> back and let your illusions do their work.
Spirit of Jazz
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That's utter nonsense. Gyro for example is close to being as good if not better than PL in the late game and has a much easier time early on. There are plenty of cominations that can deal with PL late game too, even Alch/Magnus has the potential to wreck him if he gets caught in an RP. You seriously need to get over your hate for the hero, if he was anywhere near as good as you think he'd be picked in for more competitive games when at the current time Gyro/LS are practically picked in every match.
thunker 9000
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I'm still fairly new to DOTA, so all this pre game pick strategy talk is super confusing to me right now.
I wish there was a newbie friendly commentator stream.
I wish there was a newbie friendly commentator stream.
Ok so let's make all the "skillshot" heroes the best in the game because they require skill. Gyro, Lifestealer, and antimage are no skill right click heroes let's nerf them all to the ground.
Dota is more than just skillshots. The "skill" aspect comes from drafting, game sense, coordination, map awareness, positioning, item builds, timing, last hitting, etc... There are so many other factors to the game, having a skill shot is just one of many.
I dont hate. I just think he is too good late game to have such a great escape mechanism early on. Right now= Highest agility gain, one of the best escapes in the game, hard to lock down in a team fight, low cooldown/high damage/ nuke that also slows, and when you add mana burn from diffusal you got the ultimate bullshit hero right there.
A hero being easy to play well does not mean it needs to be nerfed.
It's about as noob friendly as any stream has ever been, they even have the map to show where they are setting up the lanes.
Generally, you would pick up the understanding of what's going on from playing the game more.
Doppelwalk isnt good?
Yeah.. It's very confusing when you first start watching and don't understand why they are picking the heroes they are. It's something that mostly just comes with time. Sometimes the commentators will call out why certain picks were good or bad, and you can learn from stuff like that too.
No. Compare it with Timewalk, Blink, Waveform+morph or many other escape mechanisms and it's ass.
Certainly not as good as AM's blink for example..
150 mana is a shitload for an agi hero early game.
thunker 9000
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All this jargon and acronyms break my brain.
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