Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Game search took ten minutes so I knew that the game was going to be shit. Threw me in the trench. Whyyyyyyy. No I already climbed out don't throw me back in. Everyone was terrible.
 
I think the best hero to get out of the trench is troll warlord. Just use the ulti whenever your team fights, guaranteed win in a 5vs5 all carry trench game.
 
I just got a Strange Timestopper from an old Faceless Void chest.

Dota wiki says there is no strange effect for it, this confuses me. I also opened my old sven chests and they all gave me strange items.
 
Gully State said:
Can anyone direct me to a good jungling guide for Nature's Prophet? I don't see how you can get midas in 5 minutes in the jungle with him..
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You can realistically do 5 minutes Midas from just jungling, 7 mins is a really fast midas. usually go Ring of Bas and mana potions, then start with small camp.
 
I apologize for my poor performance jungling Batrider.

I tried to be smart and stack the easy at 1 and I ended up losing jungle because of it.
 
Speaking of bat, how can you farm that blink dagger fast?
Should I spam firefly on neutral creeps? Can I still do that even if I'm mid?
What's the standard time quota for dagger? I randomed bat twice in a row yesterday and I feel I didn't farm the dagger fast enough so I haven't made a bigger impact in the game than what I hoped.

I bought wand, tranq, bottle and urn first before saving for dagger. SHould I purchase dagger first next time?
 
rhophiehalul78 said:
Speaking of bat, how can you farm that blink dagger fast?
Should I spam firefly on neutral creeps? Can I still do that even if I'm mid?
What's the standard time quota for dagger? I randomed bat twice in a row yesterday and I feel I didn't farm the dagger fast enough so I haven't made a bigger impact in the game than what I hoped.

I bought wand, tranq, bottle and urn first before saving for dagger. SHould I purchase dagger first next time?
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I don't think there's really a number time for having Blink by other than "ASAP". You should really get runes and farm heroes. If things go badly though, sitting mid and farming isn't a bad option either though. Plus you can jungle quickly when you have more levels.
 
rhophiehalul78 said:
Speaking of bat, how can you farm that blink dagger fast?
Should I spam firefly on neutral creeps? Can I still do that even if I'm mid?
What's the standard time quota for dagger? I randomed bat twice in a row yesterday and I feel I didn't farm the dagger fast enough so I haven't made a bigger impact in the game than what I hoped.

I bought wand, tranq, bottle and urn first before saving for dagger. SHould I purchase dagger first next time?
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Don't buy urn or wand before the blink, you can get a dagger in jungle by like 9 mins I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMeReQduepo

You can only pull the poison creeps now, but it doesn't slow you down all that much.
 
Acinixys said:
Is Alliance playing with a full team tonight vs NaVi?
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Gully State said:
Can anyone direct me to a good jungling guide for Nature's Prophet? I don't see how you can get midas in 5 minutes in the jungle with him..
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You would have to stack at least once.
It also depends on which creeps you get.


SteveWinwood said:
No I already climbed out don't throw me back in. Everyone was terrible.
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Give me some fucking awesome game Alliance and Na'Vi.

Not those 30-40minute squash games.

Make it a minimum of 60min on those 3 games.
 
SteveWinwood said:
Yeah but I'm finally in high when I queued by myself. This game was full of idiots.
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I thought that when queing with a friend with lower mmr than me we were finally out of the trench, every game we had together was in high and we had fun. Then we came across a Midas-MKB-Yasha Nyx Assassin and a 30 minutes battlefury Bristleback in the same game.
Both were in our team.
 
SamVimes said:
I thought that when queing with a friend with lower mmr than me we were finally out of the trench, every game we had together was in high and we had fun. Then we came across a Midas-MKB-Yasha Nyx Assassin and a battlefury and a 30 minutes battlefury Bristleback in the same game.
Both were in our team.
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Radec said:
Give me some fucking awesome game Alliance and Na'Vi.

Not those 30-40minute squash games.

Make it a minimum of 60min on those 3 games.
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If loda falls asleep again, they might have a chance with a stand-in, but Alliance has pretty much perfected the 6.77 draft.
No matter who Puppey bans Abulldog, Akke, and Loda will get one of their signature heroes.
 
The trench is when you have played 10 games, and no wards were bought in any of them. The trench is where no one buys a courier. The trench is when everyone is auto attacking creeps. The trench is the 99%.
 
Sigismundo said:
You're not out of the trench unless you're in the top 1% of players. I don't think anyone on NeoGAF is in the top 1% of players.
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Being in the top 1% MMR is not that hard, isn't very high something like top 3%? It's just that the skill disparity between a 1% pubber and a pro player is huge.
 
Man playing TA is...really demanding. Gotta remember to use traps when chasing and then refraction then blink then meld then attack and to use bkb, phase boots, bottle where appropriate. And trap the runes and choke points..
 
NBtoaster said:
Man playing TA is...really demanding. Gotta remember to use traps when chasing and then refraction then blink then meld then attack and to use bkb, phase boots, bottle where appropriate. And trap the runes and choke points..
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the hardest thing is having the map awareness to activate traps for your team mates

doto too hard

might as well play sc2
 
Internets said:
So this trench you guys talk about, how do you know if you're out of it? And when you're out of the trench, how does it feel?
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You can never escape the trench

But seriously, if people buy the courier/upgrade it
buy and plant wards all game
supports get mekanism/pipe of insight over better items for themselves
EDIT: and dont auto attack creeps 24/7

It means you're moving up
 
Man I would really love to actually play this game for real. Like with a five person team that I can communicate with and plan with. I love the game in matchmaking, but I just know it's nothing by comparison to what it could be.

How do people get into that stuff? I don't have four friends who play the game, much less seriously enough to team up. And I try to get matches through GAF chat, but I've never gotten more than three together and even that is hard to get.
 
Emerson said:
Man I would really love to actually play this game for real. Like with a five person team that I can communicate with and plan with. I love the game in matchmaking, but I just know it's nothing by comparison to what it could be.

How do people get into that stuff? I don't have four friends who play the game, much less seriously enough to team up. And I try to get matches through GAF chat, but I've never gotten more than three together and even that is hard to get.
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Post on reddit/forums that you want to start a team.
State your server and your goals (TI4, fun, weekend play, LAN)
Tonnes of people looking for non-idiots to play with.

Or join in-house leagues with other competitive minded players (CEDC, ixdl, GAF).
 
Sigismundo said:
You're not out of the trench unless you're in the top 1% of players. I don't think anyone on NeoGAF is in the top 1% of players.
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I dunno, if you look at what DBR was estimating, some of the GAFfers are close. I was in 5% percentile and I'm not as good as a lot of regulars, like Milk, pro, etc etc. Remember its from like god knows how many unique players (10million+ regulars?).

Realistically the trench is probably like 60-70% of the games. But the trench certainly creeps into everything else. Like even top 1% probably has trench like shit happen.
 
Trench doesn't exist, it's just something people use to make fun of people who are worse than them.
 
Acinixys said:
You can never escape the trench

But seriously, if people buy the courier/upgrade it
buy and plant wards all game
supports get mekanism/pipe of insight over better items for themselves
EDIT: and dont auto attack creeps 24/7

It means you're moving up
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I guess I'm moving out of the trench! Except for the warding stuff, I do not do that enough.
Stupid question, but is there a "guide" out there for warding?
 
Dota is the trench, you'll never get out of it unless you stop playing.

However, you'll get more better games if you get better yourself, but you'll never get only good games. And no, matchmaking isn't to blame for who you get matched up with, you are where you deserve to be.

I might have a little bit of sympathy for support players though, as it will probably take a little longer time to get where you should be in matchmaking due to various random factors
 
Just got reported.....

Here is why...

I was in the middle of a game. My boss calls about a emergency at work.

So I say "sorry important work call" and pause the game....

The other team restarts the game. ANd I get reported by my team....

Fairly pissed right now...
 
Lyng said:
Just got reported.....

Here is why...

I was in the middle of a game. My boss calls about a emergency at work.

So I say "sorry important work call" and pause the game....

The other team restarts the game. ANd I get reported by my team....

Fairly pissed right now...
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Relax. It's one report

think about how your team felt that you played on call
 
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