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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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CarbonatedFalcon
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If I've learned one thing from these commercials, Korea must smell like ass with so many ads for perfume/fresheners.
Were they trying to sell me juice from a... sweet potato?
CarbonatedFalcon
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CarbonatedFalcon
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Spirit Breakeruuuu
Mad space cow + Lifestealer bombs gonna be good.
Mad space cow + Lifestealer bombs gonna be good.
childplease
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What are you guys watching link me.
It sounds amazing.
It sounds amazing.
pieatorium
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lol this is hilarious
FlutterPuffs
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HOLY FUCK those magnus plays.
childplease
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Daam this is action packed.
Yeah, this level of coordination is so above the equivalent euro/americanadian pubbie tournament that it's scary.
Lionheart1337
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The best thing about nexon starter league? Its free to watch on dotatv!
But can you get items?
childplease
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Rawwrrrr
Even the commentators are better.
Even the commentators are better.
shira
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Yes! It even upgrades El Pussycato
MurkyZebra2417
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So, I just see Korean Pop Bands, am I on the right stream?!?
shira
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Best of 3's coming up in an hour
http://alienwarecup.com/en/stream
12CEST/6EST/3PST
#4 iG
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#6 DK
http://dota2lounge.com/match?m=630
15CEST/9EST/6PST
#2 Navi.usa
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#3 LGD.cn
http://dota2lounge.com/match?m=629
Head of Vengarl
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Anyone have tips for teaching Dota 2 to new players? My buddy is trying to give this game a shot, and I feel like I'm letting him down.
We play Smite together so he already knows the general Moba basics (lanes, towers, etc.), but that's about all that translates to Dota. His total Dota experience includes: 1 private bot match with cheats enabled which we played about 6 months ago, the DK, Sniper, and mid tutorials, 2 real PvP matches, and 1 PvB match. In the PvP match we played today, he picked Sniper btw I think Valve really fucked up here, because Sniper is the only hero he feels comfortable with after doing the tutorial, and Sniper is a horrible beginner hero and we got stomped. He fed his lane, and I fed mid because I was so flustered trying to walk him through the game while trying to focus on my lane at the same time. He needed a LOT of help with item choices, skill choices, trying to purchase/combine items when he already had a full inventory, and so on. I felt really overwhelmed because there was so much he didn't know.
Afterward I sent him the links to Purge's Welcome to Dota, You Suck guide and a 45 min YouTube guide, but he didn't seem very interested in them. But honestly, I can't say I really blame him not everyone wants to devote hours of their day to reading/watching video game tutorials. But what else can I do for him? I basically ended up telling him that he's gonna have to put in a lot of work to familiarize himself with the different heroes, items, and mechanics, but that seems like a lot to ask of someone who's just trying to get into a new game. But, I mean, I spent over 30 in-game hours just playing solo bot matches when I was new, so I could get comfortable and confident enough to play PvP. I also read a lot of Dota 2 Wiki articles and hero guides, and watched videos on YouTube. I don't really know how else you can possibly learn Dota, and that scares me because I feel like my friends will never want to put in so much time just to learn a game.
Anyway it's almost 3am and I think I'm starting to ramble, but as my final thought of the evening I'd just like to thank everyone on GAF who has helped teach me how to Doto. I never realized how difficult and frustrating it can be to try to teach such a complicated and deep game to new players.
We play Smite together so he already knows the general Moba basics (lanes, towers, etc.), but that's about all that translates to Dota. His total Dota experience includes: 1 private bot match with cheats enabled which we played about 6 months ago, the DK, Sniper, and mid tutorials, 2 real PvP matches, and 1 PvB match. In the PvP match we played today, he picked Sniper btw I think Valve really fucked up here, because Sniper is the only hero he feels comfortable with after doing the tutorial, and Sniper is a horrible beginner hero and we got stomped. He fed his lane, and I fed mid because I was so flustered trying to walk him through the game while trying to focus on my lane at the same time. He needed a LOT of help with item choices, skill choices, trying to purchase/combine items when he already had a full inventory, and so on. I felt really overwhelmed because there was so much he didn't know.
Afterward I sent him the links to Purge's Welcome to Dota, You Suck guide and a 45 min YouTube guide, but he didn't seem very interested in them. But honestly, I can't say I really blame him not everyone wants to devote hours of their day to reading/watching video game tutorials. But what else can I do for him? I basically ended up telling him that he's gonna have to put in a lot of work to familiarize himself with the different heroes, items, and mechanics, but that seems like a lot to ask of someone who's just trying to get into a new game. But, I mean, I spent over 30 in-game hours just playing solo bot matches when I was new, so I could get comfortable and confident enough to play PvP. I also read a lot of Dota 2 Wiki articles and hero guides, and watched videos on YouTube. I don't really know how else you can possibly learn Dota, and that scares me because I feel like my friends will never want to put in so much time just to learn a game.
Anyway it's almost 3am and I think I'm starting to ramble, but as my final thought of the evening I'd just like to thank everyone on GAF who has helped teach me how to Doto. I never realized how difficult and frustrating it can be to try to teach such a complicated and deep game to new players.
I echo this, it doesn't help that a large portion of the community is scum. I am now over 100 hours and feel like I am just scratching the surface.
I don't know how they hope to get new players on board when it goes live - a lot of people will be immediately turned off by the learning curve and community.
MurkyZebra2417
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I also hate watching guides, just tell him he needs to sit trough 50-100 games until he gets the hang of them game/heroes. There is pretty much no other way if you don't like to watch Guides. And let him pick a easy STR hero first.
Gully State
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If he can't see himself putting in about 100 hours learning the game, then I wouldn't recommend DOTA or this genre in general to your friend.
damn it's not fair when you get paired up with high IQ teammates in low priority, ez
yeah, it comes down to your friend (or anyone getting into the game) asking himself that question: does cracking into the game seem worthwhile? does the idea of playing it at a high(er) level seem appealing? I knew after playing around a bit that it would take a lot investment to get decent, but I concluded that it would be worth it. I liked the idea of pulling off some serious strategies and teamwork and big plays
that said, Dota isn't the first game I've put serious time into learning. if your friend is fundamentally not hardcore about games or isn't down with the idea that learning and playing a game can take a lot of work, it won't pan out.
anyways, one practical tip would be to show him more interesting/exciting content, like vids or gifs of cool shit happening, unconventional and interesting strategies, etc. show him some of the depth and possibilities.
yeah, it comes down to your friend (or anyone getting into the game) asking himself that question: does cracking into the game seem worthwhile? does the idea of playing it at a high(er) level seem appealing? I knew after playing around a bit that it would take a lot investment to get decent, but I concluded that it would be worth it. I liked the idea of pulling off some serious strategies and teamwork and big plays
that said, Dota isn't the first game I've put serious time into learning. if your friend is fundamentally not hardcore about games or isn't down with the idea that learning and playing a game can take a lot of work, it won't pan out.
anyways, one practical tip would be to show him more interesting/exciting content, like vids or gifs of cool shit happening, unconventional and interesting strategies, etc. show him some of the depth and possibilities.
When I teach my friends Dota, I play a match without bots with them to teach them all the important basics, then I play a bot match to practice what I've taught them, then I play real matches.
The thing is, to make Dota fun for beginners, ALWAYS make a dual lane. Don't let him play with a random while you mid. Play lanes like Veno/CM and Juggernaut, which you will basically never lose. He won't have to last hit, and he will be able to easily set up kills for you so he will feel like he contributed a lot. Do this for the next 10 games, always choosing strong lane combos and giving him the support. Then try to start giving him a strong ganker like Nightstalker or Nyx. He will feel like a baller and be happy to learn more about the game.
Also: if you have a lot of wins, consider getting a smurf account and give him the carry earlier and you play support. That way you won't ruin the gane by stomping everyone.
jaundicejuice
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Make it a goal to try out every hero in a private or public bot match. I'm serious. You never now who you're going to like until you try them all. I never would have imagined that Slark would've become my favorite and most played hero when I first started playing Dota 2. Or that I would like supports like Disruptor or Vengeful Spirit. You'll never know until you try them all at least once and some you won't like or get right away. Some you'll come back to later when you understand the game better. At worst you'll have a better undewrstanding of every hero, at best you'll find a few new mains to play as.
Slark is an ganker, sort of like Blood Seeker. Sven's a carry with a stun like Luna. Wind Runner is ranged hero like Drow but has a dependable escape and can set up ganks really well.
im going to try this. I usually play one guy but I feel I need to try them all to get a good feel how each play.
I plan on doing this. Been reading pretty much up Jakiro and have fared much better the more time I play with him.
MurkyZebra2417
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DK RAGEQUIT! Dat manners!
Lionheart1337
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I feel so bad for DK, rough streak.
cubicle47b
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Bruno's shirt. Jesus Christ.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Predictions for LGD.cn v Na'Vi?
I hope they're boring ass games, because I have to get some sleep!!
Nirvana
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From what I watched he was too generous, let Bane get 3 kills that he should have taken. Puck needs his blink dagger and any way you can get that faster is worth it for the team, whereas bane is a support and any big items on him are situational.
2:1 NaVi.
iG to beat Dk 2:1, iG to beat LGD 2:1 later. And we have the grand final of NaVi vs iG again.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Im in the mumble, come join me.
ig 2-1 for me.
Edit: Soz for the casual racism, I meant LGD.CN
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