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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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That he is me
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I dream I move,
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Anteo

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This Alliance - Iccup game is something else, holy moly

Yeah, holy shit ic.Cup going from losing to controling the game at the mid game. Alliance making the best of the small mistakes. GG.
I still remember when nth were the underdogs in the tournaments, they are so strong now.
 

JustinBB7

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Man I hate 1 game advantages. If Alliance win this game the grand final best of 5 is over in 2 games. So anti-climatic.

Happened last Starladder too I think, or the one before that, with Navi vs Mouz I think. Mouz got stomped 2 games in a row and the GRAND FINAL was over. Though in that case they might have gotten stomped 3 times in a row but still.

ICCUP seems to do pretty well against Alliance, hope they can at least take 1 game off them.
 
Man I hate 1 game advantages. If Alliance win this game the grand final best of 5 is over in 2 games. So anti-climatic.

Happened last Starladder too I think, or the one before that, with Navi vs Mouz I think. Mouz got stomped 2 games in a row and the GRAND FINAL was over. Though in that case they might have gotten stomped 3 times in a row but still.

ICCUP seems to do pretty well against Alliance, hope they can at least take 1 game off them.

Yeah, game advantages for the winner's bracket teams seem fair in theory, but in practice it's just no fun for spectators. Would rather watch more games, and having to play extra games through the loser's bracket is punishment enough.
 
I'll never understand why people think 1 game advantages are fair. As the winning team, your advantage is that you don't have to play in the loser's bracket. That's at least 2-3 games that you don't have to play (basically a bye). Giving the winning team an extra game lead on top of that is just overkill..
 

Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
I'll never understand why people think 1 game advantages are fair. As the winning team, your advantage is that you don't have to play in the loser's bracket. That's at least 2-3 games that you don't have to play (basically a bye). Giving the winning team an extra game lead on top of that is just overkill..

It's double elimination and they shouldn't be eliminated for the first loss.
 

Anteo

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I'll never understand why people think 1 game advantages are fair. As the winning team, your advantage is that you don't have to play in the loser's bracket. That's at least 2-3 games that you don't have to play (basically a bye). Giving the winning team an extra game lead on top of that is just overkill..

It would not be fair for the Winning team to be "eliminated" (read, get 2nd place) for losing a series, after all the losing team did lose once. So the only way would be to play a second series if the wining team loses. However with Dota being Dota, games can last over 1 hour. 10 games over 1 hour is too much.
 
It's double elimination and they shouldn't be eliminated for the first loss.

Which is why it should be set up so that if the team that came out of the losers wins, the series resets because the winning team finally lost one and now they're on equal footing. The downside is that this can result in a lot of games, especially if we're talking a bo5 or something, but it's the only fair and reasonable way.
 

aeolist

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Which is why it should be set up so that if the team that came out of the losers wins, the series resets because the winning team finally lost one and now they're on equal footing. The downside is that this can result in a lot of games, especially if we're talking a bo5 or something, but it's the only fair and reasonable way.

ehhh i would say the 1 game advantage is definitely reasonable
 
It's double elimination and they shouldn't be eliminated for the first loss.

It would not be fair for the Winning team to be "eliminated" (read, get 2nd place) for losing a series, after all the losing team did lose once. So the only way would be to play a second series if the wining team loses. However with Dota being Dota, games can last over 1 hour. 10 games over 1 hour is too much.

Just call it double elimination up until the finals then. Like I said, winning team doesn't have to play an extra match for their tourney life which is already a huge advantage. Not only that but they're guaranteed at least 2nd place money for winning through.
 

xanavi

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I thought they did that for TI2.

I remembered it being not strictly a lan mode but instead a bank of dedicated servers that weren't running regular matchmaking in addition to the tournament matches.

I'm confused on what you're saying.

I mean if you sell a ticket to a tournament but the tournament organizers decide to play all of the matches over lan then you wouldn't be able to watch the games live in the client.
 

sixghost

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I remembered it being not strictly a lan mode but instead a bank of dedicated servers that weren't running regular matchmaking in addition to the tournament matches.



I mean if you sell a ticket to a tournament but the tournament organizers decide to play all of the matches over lan then you wouldn't be able to watch the games live in the client.
So how did HLTV work back in CS 1.6 tournaments? They were playing on lan, but the games were still broadcast via the client.
 

aeolist

Banned
the internet requirement isn't the problem, it's having the server running things out of the control of the tournament organizers

it's in the interests of the tourney and sponsors to have the game online since they get money from the tickets, but having the box running things on site eliminates most of the problems
 

Enco

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Who do streams look so smooth compared to in game gameplay?

I run at 60fps constantly so maybe it's just perception.
 

JustinBB7

Member
And another LAN tourny win for Alliance. I know Starladder isn't as big as G1, but still, it keeps adding up.


Edit: So funny, Alliance just keeps collecting checks every LAN they go. Wonder how much $$ they made since they ditched envy.
 
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