I also hate watching guides, just tell him he needs to sit trough 50-100 games until he gets the hang of them game/heroes. There is pretty much no other way if you don't like to watch Guides. And let him pick a easy STR hero first.
Ok, this might be the way for him. And the advice for letting him use STR heroes is actually a really good idea, because he doesn't seem to have any interest in playing a support (part of the problem, I know... I'm hoping he'll reconsider once he actually plays one). I had him use Lifestealer in a bot match, because I feel he's a relatively straightforward and strong hero. I'm thinking Dragon Knight, Sven, Centaur, and Slardar would also be decent choices for him.
If he can't see himself putting in about 100 hours learning the game, then I wouldn't recommend DOTA or this genre in general to your friend.
Remember he has, kinda sorta, already put in a decent amount of time into Smite he has a level 30 and several smurf accounts, probably with a combined playtime to have almost two level 30s so he knows that Mobas have high learning curves. (And before anyone starts: I know Dota has a way steeper learning curve than Smite.) But I get what you're trying to say, and it worries me.
yeah, it comes down to your friend (or anyone getting into the game) asking himself that question: does cracking into the game seem worthwhile? does the idea of playing it at a high(er) level seem appealing? I knew after playing around a bit that it would take a lot investment to get decent, but I concluded that it would be worth it. I liked the idea of pulling off some serious strategies and teamwork and big plays
that said, Dota isn't the first game I've put serious time into learning. if your friend is fundamentally not hardcore about games or isn't down with the idea that learning and playing a game can take a lot of work, it won't pan out.
anyways, one practical tip would be to show him more interesting/exciting content, like vids or gifs of cool shit happening, unconventional and interesting strategies, etc. show him some of the depth and possibilities.
I think that's where we're stuck at the moment. I'm finally on
the other side of the hill, so to speak, having learned the basic mechanics, item choices, skill choices, and general roles/strategies of the game. It took me
months to get here. I'm trying to convince him that it's worth it. I can't really tell how hardcore of a gamer he is. He has a nice gaming PC that he built himself, and he has played CS 1.6, Source, and GO competitively, so I wouldn't call him a casual gamer.
And your last point is interesting I showed him a video of "the play" from TI2 where NaVi made a huge reversal against iG, and the next day is when he wanted to play Dota with me. So I think that actually does work.
When I teach my friends Dota, I play a match without bots with them to teach them all the important basics, then I play a bot match to practice what I've taught them, then I play real matches.
The thing is, to make Dota fun for beginners, ALWAYS make a dual lane. Don't let him play with a random while you mid. Play lanes like Veno/CM and Juggernaut, which you will basically never lose. He won't have to last hit, and he will be able to easily set up kills for you so he will feel like he contributed a lot. Do this for the next 10 games, always choosing strong lane combos and giving him the support. Then try to start giving him a strong ganker like Nightstalker or Nyx. He will feel like a baller and be happy to learn more about the game.
Also: if you have a lot of wins, consider getting a smurf account and give him the carry earlier and you play support. That way you won't ruin the gane by stomping everyone.
Thanks for the tips. I think your last point might be what I should do. I don't have a lot of wins or anything, but when we played a real match together he was clearly in above his skill bracket. I'll probably make a smurf and play support, because as I mentioned earlier he only seems interested in carries at the moment.
Typed this up before but it didn't go through on my phone -.-
I only started playing over a month ago, and until then I'd looked into it and was intrigued, I told my buddy about it and he wasn't that interested. It's an alien game genre to most. But after persuading him to give it a go with me, we now both have over 200 hours of game time. I think the thing with this game is, you need to invest a lot of time just to grasp the basics, and with so many people used to pick up and play games like CoD it is quite the shock. But it is a really rewarding game when you win, and once it gets you hooked you are really hooked.
If any new players want to play a couple bot matches with me and I can try give some tips (I'm not pro or anything but I'd have appreciated some help at the start) I'd be glad to. And if anyone with around 100 wins want to do some MM some time, add me also.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/BraXzy
Edit: Just realised why Valve haven't officially released yet, they are waiting for the new OT, we're almost at 20,000 posts!
Thanks man, this is what I'm trying to make him feel. It's overwhelming to him at first and I can tell it hasn't captured his interest yet, but I know he'll love Dota if he gives it a chance. He is almost always better a games than me; he is smart and has excellent gamesense and reactions. He has a lot of potential as a Dota player.