Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Farmed PL? No problem

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electroshockwave said:
It immediately stands out to me that he doesn't have a heart and went MKB for some reason when your team had no evasion instead of getting a butterfly. Farm doesn't matter if you make bad item choices.
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yea, pretty much this.

A PL foolish enough to not buy any HP items in 60 minutes is a PL that is not only "not farmed", but stupid too.

lol @ that carry Lina build.
 
Super, super late game, what would be the ideal 6 items for meepo? I've been using BoTs, Scepter, blink, heart, sheep stick, and leaving a spot for aegis. Would I be better off replacing the heart or sheepstick with something like an AC, Eye of Skadi, or pipe? Or maybe even going 2 hearts?
 
sixghost said:
Super, super late game, what would be the ideal 6 items for meepo? I've been using BoTs, Scepter, blink, heart, sheep stick, and leaving a spot for aegis. Would I be better off replacing the heart of sheepstick with something like an AC, Eye of Skadi, or pipe?
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I like skadi for the raw stats/bonus movement+attack slow, and generally stray away with heart since only one meepo is going to benefit from that.
 
AC should be pretty good for Meepo since it stacks with Vlads now (and gives the aura to all your Meepos). You'll be a tower wrecking machine.

And Skadi would be pretty good late game too for the raw stats.
 
sixghost said:
Super, super late game, what would be the ideal 6 items for meepo? I've been using BoTs, Scepter, blink, heart, sheep stick, and leaving a spot for aegis. Would I be better off replacing the heart or sheepstick with something like an AC, Eye of Skadi, or pipe? Or maybe even going 2 hearts?
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Blink, Aghs, BoT, 3 Hearts
 
Des0lar said:
Blink, Aghs, BoT, 3 Hearts
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Stacking hearts on Meepo is boring and only useful for making him have a lot of health; the flat HP boost only helps one Meepo, so that means the regen is the only useful part, and that you only need one heart for. Stacking Skadis gives meepo clones the most overall stats, stacking ethereal blades gives Meepo clones the most possible damage.

Though the way you're talking about building him, I would go for: blink, aghs, bot, ethereal, ac, and a heart or a skadi; blink meepo benefits so much from being able to amplify poofs with ethereal blade, and it also gives the most attack damage of any item for the character. AC makes him melt towers and rosh. (Though honestly when you get to 6 slotting meepo the blink has to go if he expects to stand late game once people start catching up in levels)
 
n0b said:
Stacking hearts on Meepo is boring and only useful for making him have a lot of health; the flat HP boost only helps one Meepo, so that means the regen is the only useful part, and that you only need one heart for. Stacking Skadis gives meepo clones the most overall stats, stacking ethereal blades gives Meepo clones the most possible damage.

Though the way you're talking about building him, I would go for: blink, aghs, bot, ethereal, ac, and a heart or a skadi; blink meepo benefits so much from being able to amplify poofs with ethereal blade, and it also gives the most attack damage of any item for the character. AC makes him melt towers and rosh. (Though honestly when you get to 6 slotting meepo the blink has to go if he expects to stand late game once people start catching up in levels)
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I don't feel Meepo profits from AC at all, the AS boost only works (mostly) on the main one, and most of your damage comes from Blink/Lothar poofing, so the reduced armor is not that useful anyway. 5 Meepos deal more than enough damage to single towers/heroes anyway so again, the -armor aura is not worth it imo.

For the price of cuirass, I could have bought 1 reaver and be pretty close to the second one. What meepo needs is sustainability in teamfights, as long as he lives, he can dish out immense damage, but AC/Vlads etc just block a slot that could have been a lot of HP. Let someone else get these items, your biggest threat is still being burst down. Lots of HP prevent that.

Tranq -> Aghs/(Blink/Shadowblade) -> Blink/Shadowblade/(Aghs) -> PT/BoT -> reaver reaver reaver -> heart heart heart

Skadi and E-blade are nice on paper but damage and int are not what meepo needs. Lategame you will never be oom anyway since you only have 2 spells, stacking agi items on him is pretty useless as well, yes you get more dps, but you have 5 meepos hitting for over 120 damage anyway, so the little bit more dps ain't gonna change a lot. The skadi movement slow is completely wasted since you have geostrike anyway.
 
n0b said:
Stacking hearts on Meepo is boring and only useful for making him have a lot of health; the flat HP boost only helps one Meepo, so that means the regen is the only useful part, and that you only need one heart for. Stacking Skadis gives meepo clones the most overall stats, stacking ethereal blades gives Meepo clones the most possible damage.
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The useful portion of Heart for Meepo is the 40 Strenght, the clones don't get the regen as well as the flat 300 hp.
 
BigAT said:
Call it what you will, he's had the highest winning rate for any hero for a while now. By more than two percentage points over the next closest hero for the current patch.
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Pub win % is not an indicator of overpoweredness. Zeus and Spirit Breaker are widely regarded as trash tier but they light up the trench where nobody bothers to buy a hood or wards. Most Dota 2 players are deep down in the trench which is why heroes who require little skill but are able to benefit form the lack of coordination are very successful. Batrider and Magnus are <50% and considered borderline broken in high level play.

What is it that makes Warlock overpowered? Fatal Bonds? His heal? His AoE stun he can throw once every three minutes when Magnus has a better ult with a lower cooldown + insanely good follow up spells (skewer towards your team + shockwave)?
 
Des0lar said:
I don't feel Meepo profits from AC at all, the AS boost only works (mostly) on the main one, and most of your damage comes from Blink/Lothar poofing, so the reduced armor is not that useful anyway. 5 Meepos deal more than enough damage to single towers/heroes anyway so again, the -armor aura is not worth it imo.

For the price of cuirass, I could have bought 1 reaver and be pretty close to the second one. What meepo needs is sustainability in teamfights, as long as he lives, he can dish out immense damage, but AC/Vlads etc just block a slot that could have been a lot of HP. Let someone else get these items, your biggest threat is still being burst down. Lots of HP prevent that.

Tranq -> Aghs/(Blink/Shadowblade) -> Blink/Shadowblade/(Aghs) -> PT/BoT -> reaver reaver reaver -> heart heart heart

Skadi and E-blade are nice on paper but damage and int are not what meepo needs. Lategame you will never be oom anyway since you only have 2 spells, stacking agi items on him is pretty useless as well, yes you get more dps, but you have 5 meepos hitting for over 120 damage anyway, so the little bit more dps ain't gonna change a lot. The skadi movement slow is completely wasted since you have geostrike anyway.
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Initiate on the enemy team in late game and not kill a single person with your burst damage. What then? AC is a great item on Meepo. Not only does it help you with right clicking, but also your teammates. That said though, heart should take priority over AC. There's absolutely no reason not to get it.
 
Imp the Dimp said:
Pub win % is not an indicator of overpoweredness. Zeus and Spirit Breaker are widely regarded as trash tier but they light up the trench where nobody bothers to buy a hood or wards. Most Dota 2 players are deep down in the trench which is why heroes who require little skill but are able to benefit form the lack of coordination are very successful. Batrider and Magnus are <50% and considered borderline broken in high level play.

What is it that makes Warlock overpowered? Fatal Bonds? His heal? His AoE stun he can throw once every three minutes when Magnus has a better ult with a lower cooldown + insanely good follow up spells (skewer towards your team + shockwave)?
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DUDE 4 GOLEMS DRAP RAX.

U MHAD?
 
Tenck said:
Initiate on the enemy team in late game and not kill a single person with your burst damage. What then? AC is a great item on Meepo. Not only does it help you with right clicking, but also your teammates. That said though, heart should take priority over AC. There's absolutely no reason not to get it.
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I'd advocate someone else getting AC, basically the same bonus for meepo anyway. But that's probably not gonna happen in most games.

Also you are not gonna kill someone with your burst most of the time. But then the beauty of your HP stacking comes into play. You slow him for like 80% with geostrike and can hold anyone in place with net forever. Most heroes will drop against 5 meepos hitting them pretty fast. Since you have so much HP, they can't fight back and you will be able to tank quite a lot. Then your teammates can clean up. Even just binding for example Antimage and making him unable to blink away means a lot in teamfights.
 
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