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Dota 2 |OT| To Hell and Back and Back to Hell

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Nokterian

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Getting argument of someone who i do not know on twitter..about the benefit of a surrender option. He said you are close minded (perhaps i am? i highly doubt it) but said it before and i will say it again a option like that in normal matchmaking it is useless and why the hell are people defending this?

I learned when playing MP games,you win or lose,live with it and it will make you a better player but i guess in this day and and age a lot of games do give it to make it easy and not giving you the options to fight back and even win a match or make some extra kills just for the sake of it.

I think it is stupid that developers even do implement them,they should think twice if there making a competitve mp game.
 
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JustinBB7

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dave is ok said:
Cyborgmatt already changed his stream title to 'Cyborgmatt.com - Dota 2 25th July Patch – Content Analysis' - he wouldn't lie to us.

Also cool
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The hard drive swapping is something I had in college like..7/8 years ago? We all had our own hard drive and could just put it in any computer we wanted. Was really nice. We all had tons of mp3's and porn..
 
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Mononoke

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Nokterian said:
Getting argument of someone who i do not know on twitter..about the benefit of a surrender option. He said you are close minded (perhaps i am? i highly doubt it) but said it before and i will say it again a option like that in normal matchmaking it is useless and why the hell are people defending this?

I learned when playing MP games,you win or lose,live with it and it will make you a better player but i guess in this day and and age a lot of games do give it to make it easy and not giving you the options to fight back and even win a match or make some extra kills just for the sake of it.

I think it is stupid that developers even do implement them,they should think twice if there making a competitve mp game.
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I think there is a lot of valid reasons for NOT having a concede option. But I do think some people are being a bit silly with the whole "Go back to LoL hur dur" comments. I see both sides of the argument, and really can't decide myself whether I would want one. On the one hand (as I said a page back), I feel it changes the mentality of the people playing the game. There are already people that go GG way too early in these games, imagine how quickly some people would roll over in 20-30 min in -- when it's not actually over. That's my biggest worry, and why I'm against it.

But on the other hand, I'm not 100% against debating the issue. I mean, if Valve could come up with a concede option that is smarter and has more depth than games like LoL, then why the hell not? I have to think there is a better way of doing it then there currently is (inb4 someone says, yeah don't have the option lol).
 
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Drkirby

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One option would be to only allow each player to invoke a single attempt a surrendering, and make it unanimous at all points. But then you open up the can of worms where people will bitch if the surrender doesn't go though.
 
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Sibylus

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Catatonic said:
But on the other hand, I'm not 100% against debating the issue. I mean, if Valve could come up with a concede option that is smarter and has more depth than games like LoL, then why the hell not?
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This I can cosign. If Valve squares the circle and comes up with a solution that doesn't result in that same toxic culture decay, then great.
 
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elyetis

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Nokterian said:
I learned when playing MP games,you win or lose,live with it and it will make you a better player but i guess in this day and and age a lot of games do give it to make it easy and not giving you the options to fight back and even win a match or make some extra kills just for the sake of it.
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It's quite a shortcut to say that wanting a surrender option = don't like loosing.
It's thinking that at some point, the disparity is so important that there is nothing left for you to enjoy in the current game. And that if the 5 people in your team agree on that ( and the game prerequisite, be it time, gold dif, xp dif, kills dif, raxes down or not, etc.. is respected, then you can stop the game from dragging.

Already said it more than once, there is also a difference between wanting a concede option, and wanting a perfect copy of what it is on other moba. There is room to talk about what can be done to make people want to make a comeback ( reward for wining a game with x gold difference at some point of the game ? ), ways to punish trash talking from those who wanted the surrender on those who refused the vote, prerequisite on the vote to avoid far too early surrender, big cooldown on it to avoid spam, even limited call for surrender vote per week like reports, etc.. etc...

But then again we shouldn't speak about it because something.
 
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Hylian7

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I just offlaned Broodmother against a trilane that bought sentries all the damn time, with two ranged heroes in it. Fuck. That. Got completely shit on.
 
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Captain_Spanky

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Just had a fairly irritating game. Had a high level player come in to the training mode match and of course proceed to dominate everyone. Then had the cheek to ask for a commendation. No mate, you don't get a good rating for shooting fish in the barrel to make yourself feel good.
 
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Arkanius

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Dedicated Servers havent been updated yet, which means, Valve still isn't deploying a patch
Which is making it so very unlikely to rollout today
 
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SteveWinwood

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Hylian7 said:
I just offlaned Broodmother against a trilane that bought sentries all the damn time, with two ranged heroes in it. Fuck. That. Got completely shit on.
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Sorry they did the smart/right thing instead of letting you win?
Arkanius said:
Dedicated Servers havent been updated yet, which means, Valve still isn't deploying a patch
Which is making it so very unlikely to rollout today
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Nah you're just being overly pessimistic. Have patience.
 
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Sibylus

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Regardless of whether Arcane Orb does or does not stack with the Skadi orb, he'll still get the Skadi orb when fnatic's BKBs are up (and that slows through magic immunity). Oddly not at all a poor choice for ultra-ultra late OD.
 
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Sibylus

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Arkanius said:
Dedicated Servers havent been updated yet, which means, Valve still isn't deploying a patch
Which is making it so very unlikely to rollout today
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It really depends. Some patches come out as late as 5-6 pm pacific, my fuzzy memory is telling me one or two even later than that.
 
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Arkanius

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Bo said:
It really depends. Some patches come out as late as 5-6 pm pacific, my fuzzy memory is telling me one or two even later than that.
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We also have 0 developers online on dev.dota2.com
By now IceFrog and ChrisC would have shown up at least twice.

When we get a Hero, the patch activity starts way way sooner to give more time for testing.
If we do get a patch, it will be cosmetics and bug fixes.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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We are getting a patch this week, some fixes for server instability in some region was mentioned yesterday as being fixed in "this week's patch" so it's probably just late or something
 
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Mononoke

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Sorry to bring this back up again. But one possible solution to pairing off people that speak different languages, is maybe to have a language filter? So you know where you check off your desired region/server? Well they already have a section to the far right called preferences and you can choose between "English", "Russian" "Chinese". Maybe Valve could make this work a little better and give more options for various languages.

So that way, even in regions that are big that have multiple languages, it will try its best to pair you off with people that only speak your language that you have checked off in preference. Maybe it already does this with the given languages, and matchmaking is too complex to always pair it with your preference. But I dunno, just a thought.

Forgot that preference section even existence tbh.
 
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Gully State

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Captain_Spanky said:
Just had a fairly irritating game. Had a high level player come in to the training mode match and of course proceed to dominate everyone. Then had the cheek to ask for a commendation. No mate, you don't get a good rating for shooting fish in the barrel to make yourself feel good.
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This happens all the time. I love it when it happens in a bot match. Guy goes 50-0 with Drow because he decides to fountain camp. Game ends..."Commend plz"

At the same time, I've noticed that people nowadays are more judicious with their commends nowadays.
 
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Sibylus

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Lol at fnatic, I'm not sure if that was fear or some unorthodox strategy or what...

Arkanius said:
I've been scarred for life.
My heart is dead.

I can't remember a late patch that brought us a hero though
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We've gotten a few that have been bumped a day or so due to being severely buggy. Rubick might have been one?
 
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Arkanius

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Bo said:
Lol at fnatic, I'm not sure if that was fear or some unorthodox strategy or what...


We've gotten a few that have been bumped a day or so due to being severely buggy. Rubick might have been one?
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Rubick had two days of testing
But the patch still arrived on a Wednesday relatively fast.
 
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Lotto

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KingKong said:
this game is just dull, please just teamfight and get it over with
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I disagree. I find the late games much more tense then complete stomps. I'm all for watching action packed games but late games are a lot of fun to watch too. I love seeing competitive 6-slotted heroes.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Skywrath was two also, wasn't he?

If they're confident the hero is to buggy, maybe today?


And as I say that, the early warning just went out
Looks like this week is straight to the main client, as the warning is for it, and not the test client.
 
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Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
KingKong said:
relax, they're just putting the finishing touches on the techies
this has to be true one of these weeks dammit
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6.79: Techies removed from game.

balladofwindfishes said:
Skywrath was two also, wasn't he?

If they're confident the hero is to buggy, maybe today?


And as I say that, the early warning just went out
Looks like this week is straight to the main client, as the warning is for it, and not the test client.
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So, likely just hats and features related to the international. Would love it if they can put in controller support for spectating before TI3.
 
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