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Dota 2 |OT| To Hell and Back and Back to Hell
- Thread starter Artanisix
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/239301562
Games like this. I had no idea how to jungle with Doom and was following one of the top in-game guides. I ended up walking back to the fountain a lot so I missed out on a bunch of xp/gold. By 10 minutes I was only level 4 while everyone else was 6+ and most of our team weren't doing so hot during the laning phase. I believe we were down 0-10 before our team even got a first blood, it looked pretty much hopeless for us. It's boggling how we even won this game but we managed to capitalize in team fights with our AoE's and map presence (Tinker/Spectre, although they weren't the best team contributors...). Good stuff.
Games like this. I had no idea how to jungle with Doom and was following one of the top in-game guides. I ended up walking back to the fountain a lot so I missed out on a bunch of xp/gold. By 10 minutes I was only level 4 while everyone else was 6+ and most of our team weren't doing so hot during the laning phase. I believe we were down 0-10 before our team even got a first blood, it looked pretty much hopeless for us. It's boggling how we even won this game but we managed to capitalize in team fights with our AoE's and map presence (Tinker/Spectre, although they weren't the best team contributors...). Good stuff.
I did that a few times,fun fun fun! Smacking them on the ground and laughing at there deaths!
So, I finally decided to give this game a real shot, now that they've added the full tutorial.
Things were going well for the first little bit. I completed everything in the tutorial up to the first full match against other players with a limited roster. I was all excited that I kind of got the gist of the game and, while I didn't expect to even do all that well, I thought I could kind of work my way though it.
It was a massacre. I spent more time dead than alive. Due to the loss of gold on each death, I wasn't able to afford my first non-starter item (Boots of speed, I think they're called) until 25 min into the game. I played as defensively as I could, but it wasn't even near enough. All the time I apologized to my team that was less than understanding of my status as a new player (Which I didn't understand, considering that this was part of the tutorial. Aren't the people I'm playing with also doing the tutorial?) The game ended without me even getting a single assist.
Then, as the score card came up, I saw three little player cards come up at the bottom of the scoreboard. They were cards for two members of Team Liquid and One for some European team I didn't recognize. The names matched three of the players on the other team that had just destroyed us. Did I just get matched with three professional players in my first actual game of Dota? Why would their matchmaking system do that?
Needless to say, the whole experience was really disheartening. I really, really want to love this game, it just makes it so difficult.
Things were going well for the first little bit. I completed everything in the tutorial up to the first full match against other players with a limited roster. I was all excited that I kind of got the gist of the game and, while I didn't expect to even do all that well, I thought I could kind of work my way though it.
It was a massacre. I spent more time dead than alive. Due to the loss of gold on each death, I wasn't able to afford my first non-starter item (Boots of speed, I think they're called) until 25 min into the game. I played as defensively as I could, but it wasn't even near enough. All the time I apologized to my team that was less than understanding of my status as a new player (Which I didn't understand, considering that this was part of the tutorial. Aren't the people I'm playing with also doing the tutorial?) The game ended without me even getting a single assist.
Then, as the score card came up, I saw three little player cards come up at the bottom of the scoreboard. They were cards for two members of Team Liquid and One for some European team I didn't recognize. The names matched three of the players on the other team that had just destroyed us. Did I just get matched with three professional players in my first actual game of Dota? Why would their matchmaking system do that?
Needless to say, the whole experience was really disheartening. I really, really want to love this game, it just makes it so difficult.
tHiS iS wHy CoNcEdE sHoUlD bE iN tHe GaMe
1 hour and 23 min? Holy shit that is exhausting.
Nope! The professional names you see are card drops. They're like collectible little items you can get after each game.
The limited hero pool is a real mess right now, I don't blame you for feeling frustrated at it. It's mixing experienced players and new players into it. I recommend just skipping it and going to regular matchmaking. You'll be matched up with people who are far closer to your skill level there.
PillowKnight
Member
That screenshot's been around more than anbork's..er...dirty rags. My screenshot's a semi weekly experience, and freshly picked off the dota vine.
tHiS iS wHy CoNcEdE sHoUlD bE iN tHe GaMe
Welcome to dota 2,you suck!
All i can say is,go to purgegamers.com his website gives a lot info and guides and video's. But also keep in mind that the game really starts around 100 hours of playing. You need to bite it and go through and try to play with friends or here from gaf. Everyone who plays for the first time even me was afraid (and i didn't have a tutorial at all).
Yes it is difficult but that makes it rewarding,i never had this with any other game and clocking at 245 hours and i am still at the top of the iceberg. And all the things Artanisx said is true
I went straight in hell and back again.That's not a bad idea, though it still seems daunting. Is there any benefit to "officially" completing the tutorial?
tHiS iS wHy CoNcEdE sHoUlD bE iN tHe GaMe
rod of atos sux
Keep stacking camps, hope for a wilken.
Why not practice that in a bot game?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Post the match ID and we can let you know. Most likely they were fanboys.
Welcome to dota 2,you suck!
All i can say is,go to purgegamers.com his website gives a lot info and guides and video's. But also keep in mind that the game really starts around 100 hours of playing. You need to bite it and go through and try to play with friends or here from gaf. Everyone who plays for the first time even me was afraid (and i didn't have a tutorial at all).
Yes it is difficult but that makes it rewarding,i never had this with any other game and clocking at 245 hours and i am still at the top of the iceberg. And all the things Artanisx said is true
This seems like a really good site, I'll have to dig around there. Unfortunately, no one I know really plays PC games. Is there a Gaf group that's for newer players? I don't want to stink up anyone else's high level games.
Just some cosmetics. It's not a big deal completing it. The small hero pool might be attractive but it's not worth the stress of experienced players shitting all over your plate.
You can just ask in the gaf channel if anyone is doing low matchmaking games, I've seen it pop up more than a few times.
I'm at work right now, but I can grab it when I get home. Where do I find the match ID?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Game history -> click the game -> top left.
There is a guild and people generally create parties to play, someone needs to invite you from inside the client.
You should probably play more bot matches against Insane difficulty to get a better feel for the game. Probably go into a co-op game or something. Limited pool is sort of a clusterfuck now, I would avoid it. If you really want to play against humans you should try the regular match making instead or get on the NeoGAF channel and ask for a newbie game.
Yes... more or less.
I would have if I knew I was going to be playing him. I don't have time to practice bots with every hero all the time. We were playing single draft and I was dealt a hand of heroes that were either not familiar to me or a hero I didn't want to play at the time. I was familiar enough with Doom to try my hand at it but when it came to jungling I guess I didn't know as much as I thought I did. You're right though, I should have read up on it a bit more (the guide I was using in-game was very sparse with info).
SneakyStephan
Banned
tHiS iS wHy CoNcEdE sHoUlD bE iN tHe GaMe
I'm going to watch this, I wana see how they turtled so long.
edit : access denied, k then.
Huevos de Oro
Member
I'm here to publicly admit that I am well over 250 hours into this game and I still don't know how to pull or stack, much less identify the moments of the game where I should be doing that.
That felt good.
That felt good.
As I understand it you get a cosmetic set for doing the tutorial, so all the dota veterans are swarming the tutorial now. :/ Hopefully in a week or two they'll all be done and the tutorial will be full of newbies like it's supposed to be.
But do you fell like learning those things?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
It was radiant turtling, don't let this scum milk trick you.
Huevos de Oro
Member
I do. Especially since a few matches ago my lane buddy asked me to pull and I couldn't. It was an awkward moment. I said I'd try but all I did was mess up the timing of the pull and I got back to his side embarrassed.
Added Abaddon!
GAMEPLAY
- Death Prophet: Fixed AI on Exorcism spirits that caused them to sometimes be less efficient and linger on units far from you
- Doom: Fixed Doom not disabling Flak Cannon
- Huskar: Fixed being able to attack while he is leaping in Life Break
- Jakiro: Fixed Liquid Fire debuff being removed by Manta/BKB
- Lich: Fixed the order of damage instances on Frost Nova
- Omniknight: Fixed his spells not working on Mechanical units
- Phantom Assassin: Fixed Stifling Dagger projectile speed traveling a little too slow
- Sven: Fixed Storm Bolt aoe not hitting invisible units
- Fixed Siege not getting increased damage when the Ranged Barracks dies
- Fixed Buckler and Mekansm +2 active armor buff stacking
- Fixed Vladmir's Offering not working on Siege units
TRAINING
- Added match making option to opt out of Limited Hero mode
- Fixed some players not receiving item rewards after completing training tasks
- Play Tab will now remember your previous selection
- Fixed various progression bugs in Mechanics II
- Fixed disabled skill assignment using CTRL+Ability when in tutorial
COMPENDIUM
- Added Player Card rewards. Unlock the Smeevil Crab mount by stamping complete teams
- Added the International Fantasy Challenge.
UI
- Added a hotkey to Select All Units
- Added a hotkey to activate Speed Burst on your flying courier
- Minor reorganization to control settings page
- Fixed Replay Speed Decrease hotkey missing from the configuration panel
- Increased the maximum number of total spectator slots from 14 to 22
- Removed Favorite hero count limit
- Moved Solo Only Matchmaking to a setting on the main Find Match tab.
- New Tournament Drops:
... When a player reaches a Godlike streak
... When a Courier is killed
... When a player buys a Divine Rapier
... When Earthshaker Echoslam's 5 heroes
- Fixed Quick Cast bug preventing use on neutrals/couriers
VISUAL
- Fixed Global Silence not showing the visual effect on Familiars even though they are silenced
- Updated ability icons for Dark Seer and Dragon Knight
- Added new disarmed effect
- Fixes for a few portrait based effects, such as Enigma's vortex
AUDIO
- updated Mekansm SFX.
PLATFORM
- Added support for Mac OS X
Minimum Mac OS X Requirements:
OS X Lion 10.7 4GB RAM, 4GB Hard drive space. nVidia 320M or higher, or Radeon 7000 or higher, or Intel HD 3000 or higher
- Added support for Linux
Minimum Linux System Requirements:
Ubuntu 12.04, dual core from Intel or AMD at 2.8 GHz, 4GB RAM, nVidia GeForce 8600/9600GT, ATI/AMD Radeaon HD2600/3600 (Graphic Drivers: nVidia 310, AMD 12.11), OpenGL 2.1, 4GB Hard Drive Space, OpenAL Compatible Sound Card
Mac and Linux support is early and experimental. They will be remain in Dota 2 Test until the testing phase is complete. For reporting bugs, please see the Dota 2 GitHub at https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues For community discussion of the Mac and Linux versions head to the Dota 2 Dev forums at http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=447
WORKSHOP
- Added Mok mandrill courier
- Added Defense Grid announcer
- Fixed orientation on Bounty Hunter's Jinada Glows on workshop items
- Fixed Nether Ward effect orientation for workshop items
- Added support for workshop authored effects on Kunkka's weapon
BOTS
- Bots will no longer stare at a dropped gem, futilely trying to destroy it.
GAMEPLAY
- Death Prophet: Fixed AI on Exorcism spirits that caused them to sometimes be less efficient and linger on units far from you
- Doom: Fixed Doom not disabling Flak Cannon
- Huskar: Fixed being able to attack while he is leaping in Life Break
- Jakiro: Fixed Liquid Fire debuff being removed by Manta/BKB
- Lich: Fixed the order of damage instances on Frost Nova
- Omniknight: Fixed his spells not working on Mechanical units
- Phantom Assassin: Fixed Stifling Dagger projectile speed traveling a little too slow
- Sven: Fixed Storm Bolt aoe not hitting invisible units
- Fixed Siege not getting increased damage when the Ranged Barracks dies
- Fixed Buckler and Mekansm +2 active armor buff stacking
- Fixed Vladmir's Offering not working on Siege units
TRAINING
- Added match making option to opt out of Limited Hero mode
- Fixed some players not receiving item rewards after completing training tasks
- Play Tab will now remember your previous selection
- Fixed various progression bugs in Mechanics II
- Fixed disabled skill assignment using CTRL+Ability when in tutorial
COMPENDIUM
- Added Player Card rewards. Unlock the Smeevil Crab mount by stamping complete teams
- Added the International Fantasy Challenge.
UI
- Added a hotkey to Select All Units
- Added a hotkey to activate Speed Burst on your flying courier
- Minor reorganization to control settings page
- Fixed Replay Speed Decrease hotkey missing from the configuration panel
- Increased the maximum number of total spectator slots from 14 to 22
- Removed Favorite hero count limit
- Moved Solo Only Matchmaking to a setting on the main Find Match tab.
- New Tournament Drops:
... When a player reaches a Godlike streak
... When a Courier is killed
... When a player buys a Divine Rapier
... When Earthshaker Echoslam's 5 heroes
- Fixed Quick Cast bug preventing use on neutrals/couriers
VISUAL
- Fixed Global Silence not showing the visual effect on Familiars even though they are silenced
- Updated ability icons for Dark Seer and Dragon Knight
- Added new disarmed effect
- Fixes for a few portrait based effects, such as Enigma's vortex
AUDIO
- updated Mekansm SFX.
PLATFORM
- Added support for Mac OS X
Minimum Mac OS X Requirements:
OS X Lion 10.7 4GB RAM, 4GB Hard drive space. nVidia 320M or higher, or Radeon 7000 or higher, or Intel HD 3000 or higher
- Added support for Linux
Minimum Linux System Requirements:
Ubuntu 12.04, dual core from Intel or AMD at 2.8 GHz, 4GB RAM, nVidia GeForce 8600/9600GT, ATI/AMD Radeaon HD2600/3600 (Graphic Drivers: nVidia 310, AMD 12.11), OpenGL 2.1, 4GB Hard Drive Space, OpenAL Compatible Sound Card
Mac and Linux support is early and experimental. They will be remain in Dota 2 Test until the testing phase is complete. For reporting bugs, please see the Dota 2 GitHub at https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues For community discussion of the Mac and Linux versions head to the Dota 2 Dev forums at http://dev.dota2.com/forumdisplay.php?f=447
WORKSHOP
- Added Mok mandrill courier
- Added Defense Grid announcer
- Fixed orientation on Bounty Hunter's Jinada Glows on workshop items
- Fixed Nether Ward effect orientation for workshop items
- Added support for workshop authored effects on Kunkka's weapon
BOTS
- Bots will no longer stare at a dropped gem, futilely trying to destroy it.
Schweinehund
Member
c u in 4 weeks waifu commander.
We get a bad rap from babbies (and LoLgaf players that don't even play dota), if you have the balls to come in the thread and ask for help, and don't act like the dota messiah in your second game (and start blaming your teammates), then you'll get tons of info and help from folks. Hell, many of the high tier players even get on smurfs to play/carry noobies all the time.
edit: Also sometimes newer people listen to the dota gaf streams, mumble, or inhouse chat and don't realize that most of the people trash talking, trading jabs, and spouting inside jokes at each other have been playing together on mumble for 3+ years now. I remember I was shittalking myself on a stream during IHL and it started 5 pages of drama LOL.
That's hilarious, I want to see this.
Also,
WTT: Goblak for any Fnatic members.
Shorty11857
Member
Well that feels more like a launch patch, only a day late!
Dinosaur Tamer
Member
Would have preferred LC.
Caffeine
Member
that sounds very reassuring that gaf has a great dota community willing to help us newbies when I start playing later today I am sure I will come back with lots of questions.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well...Abbadon is cool I guess
But I really want LC :/
But I really want LC :/
Dinosaur Tamer
Member
Yes.
She was promised - not Abaddon. I really hope they get around to release her before TI3 (somewhat doubt it, though).
*EDIT* Come on Valve. It took you ~ 8 weeks to release this guy and his idle animation has his sword clipping through the entire horse.
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