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the things u hear on ts

 

[twobear]

clairvoyance said on the Starladder stream that the update will have another map change. Supposedly adding more neutral camps and giving dire offlane a pull camp.

more neutral camps? that will definitely fix the 1 mid + 4 playstyle.

 

[kvk1]

the things u hear on ts

lol

 

[Anbokr]

more neutral camps? that will definitely fix the 1 mid + 4 playstyle.

Also, if combined with a slight kill gold nerf, would bring back hard farming for more than just the 1 player. Not a bad idea if it turns out to be true.

 

[Auteezy]

more neutral camps? that will definitely fix the 1 mid + 4 playstyle.

i thought he meant 2 new spawns of camps not 2 new camp locations

 

[aeolist]

some good alliance rat vs vp on the starladder stream

 

[SecretMoblin]

I think the game needs a ban phase (give each player a ban pick) for ranked all pick. Much like how a portion of the community will always toxic because of how the gain is inherently structured, there will never be a patch where every hero is perfectly balanced. There's always going to be a handful of heroes that are played way too much that the community will bitch about. Just give the players the ability to potentially ban them and you'll probably get more mileage out of each patch.

this patch proves that people don't want "mileage", they just want changes as frequently as possible

I mean people are now whining about white drow and alchemist and a slew of other eminently counter-able heroes

Riot figured this out a long time ago: keep giving the plebes shiny new stuff to obfuscate the black hole of shit that is this genre of video game -- the difference between Riot and Valve is that Riot actually regularly provides new content

 

[bbd23]

black isnt on fnatic anymore

gg

http://www.fnatic.com/content/96565/dota-2-changes-thank-you-black

 

[TUSR]

the g502 mouse was made for midgets or people with creepy small hands

 

[Auteezy]

black isnt on fnatic anymore

gg

http://www.fnatic.com/content/96565/dota-2-changes-thank-you-black

Alliance.Black^

 

[kvk1]

white drow

pls

 

[kionedrik]

some good alliance rat vs vp on the starladder stream

Dazzle mjolnir...

 

[Monochromaticx]

black isnt on fnatic anymore

gg

http://www.fnatic.com/content/96565/dota-2-changes-thank-you-black

back to VG

 

[Deltoid]

loda is seriously so shit

 

[aeolist]

hahaha this game is disgusting

 

[Red UFO]

alliance cant fight
too pussy


many thanks to ARTS-joujou in the dotatv chat for breaking it down for us there

 

[KingKong]

VP would be really good if theyd stop drafting retarded shit

 

[Hydrophobic]

Some men just want to watch the map burn.

Edit: No buyback on Phobos? PogChamp

I'm sorry but does Viper have a refresher?

 

[gai_shain]

9k networth at 80 mins rofl

 

[Gav47]

Loda going with the "lol no damage" build

 

[Anbokr]

this patch proves that people don't want "mileage", they just want changes as frequently as possible

I mean people are now whining about white drow and alchemist and a slew of other eminently counter-able heroes

Riot figured this out a long time ago: keep giving the plebes shiny new stuff to obfuscate the black hole of shit that is this genre of video game -- the difference between Riot and Valve is that Riot actually regularly provides new content

yep

we've come full circle: people have whined about split push meta, deathball meta, 5-man push meta, 4 protect 1 meta, AoE teamfight meta, and now even the glorious ultimate promised land kill/gank meta. I think the #1 complaint in the 6.86 wishlist thread was basically "i kinda miss split push. i kinda miss farming. i kinda miss x. nerf kills blabla." Just a bunch of people listing off past patches and strategies. People just want change. There is no promise land strategy that everyone will love for all time and that's why we need new patches every few months that just throws a wrench in the game, not just tweaks/"balances" it.

 

[DrPizza]

So like, why not farm up the Earthshaker (10K net work) and let him turn into a critshaker so that they have more chance of blowing up the Viper?

 

[aeolist]

So like, why not farm up the Earthshaker (10K net work) and let him turn into a critshaker so that they have more chance of blowing up the Viper?

i dunno this guy isn't inspiring much confidence

 

[Russ T]

honestly i just want kunkka to be viable again ):

(also my favorite type of dota is the dota where mid is roamy and ganky, back when i could mid as tiny and be super effective - although that could just also be because i have forgotten how to mid tiny, to be fair)

((also also man i don't know shit about the current meta so i probably shouldn't say shit!))

 

[TUSR]

I just want to live in a world where I build ethblade on every hero again

 

[Drkirby]

I want to live in a world where morphing is deleted from the game forever.

 

[Russ T]

I want to live in a world where huskar is deleted from the game forever.

me too

 

[Auteezy]

I want to live in a world where morphing is deleted from the game forever.

there's nothing lame about that hero other than his 20second stun which weakens other aspects of him. Something is wrong with u friendo

 

[1.09]

haha were on page 322 xd :v

 

[W1SSY]

Not surprised to see Black^ is out of Fnatic. Dude needs to give up on playing on Asian teams and just find a Euro team.

 

[SecretMoblin]

honestly i just want kunkka to be viable again ):

(also my favorite type of dota is the dota where mid is roamy and ganky, back when i could mid as tiny and be super effective - although that could just also be because i have forgotten how to mid tiny, to be fair)

((also also man i don't know shit about the current meta so i probably shouldn't say shit!))

I am so, so, so shit at mid (as well as the game in general) but it was thrust upon me after I randomed Allahder Titan and it was loads of fun shitting on SF when he would try to out-dps and outrun me and then getting runes/ganking lanes. Levels do so much on that disgusting and clearly OP hero

Bring back mid ET tbh

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Not surprised to see Black^ is out of Fnatic. Dude needs to give up on playing on Asian teams and just find a Euro team.

To what avail? Western teams shuffle equally.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Dota is a 7/10 game at the moment. Not worth playing.

7/10 is shit


i hate gaming insane rating scales why not change it to shit-8-9-10 scale?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

7/10 is shit


i hate gaming insane rating scales why not change it to shit-8-9-10 scale?

I agree.

 

[ViviOggi]

Currently installing Windows on new rig Kreygasm

Q6600 was getting dated a bit

 

[Hylian7]

In my experience Ursa, WR, AA, Huskar, Juggernaut, Clinkz, Troll, BH, Riki, and Nyx are all good against him. Basically you want heroes with high attack speed that just burst through his regen and poor armor or invis heroes that can just waltz in the jungle and kill him for free.

He's also been on the out in competitive because most team comps can deal with him by just killing him mid as you say you guys have done, BUT then the key is to leverage his poor midlane start into towers and map control, and take away his jungle. Then he's basically worthless. Also that radiance/octarine/manta split push build that is still very popular in pubs and leaves him vulnerable throughout the game, he'll be an annoying split pusher but he'll be slightly worse off from a raw carry perspective imo. That's why I prefer just straight up carry builds like the ones OG pulls sometimes, but that's just me.

Also lol @ alliance, it really says something when they are constantly kicking their best performing players. They've gone through what...mynuts, pajkatt, fckingmad, niqua, and EGM? Am I missing anyone else. Like a solid 4/5 of those guys were the best performing players on that team during their tenure, when are they going to get the memo. Or I guess they are just holding out hope that icefrog makes split push #1 again in 6.86.

Thanks, this is good to know.

Questions with Ember itemization- What's the thought process with buying a blink dagger for him? When should I get it before BF and when should I just bypass it completely?

I don't really see the point in buying Blink. You can't use it during SoF, and you have remnants. It just seems like a waste of space. You have SoF to set up Searing Chains.

yep

we've come full circle: people have whined about split push meta, deathball meta, 5-man push meta, 4 protect 1 meta, AoE teamfight meta, and now even the glorious ultimate promised land kill/gank meta. I think the #1 complaint in the 6.86 wishlist thread was basically "i kinda miss split push. i kinda miss farming. i kinda miss x. nerf kills blabla." Just a bunch of people listing off past patches and strategies. People just want change. There is no promise land strategy that everyone will love for all time and that's why we need new patches every few months that just throws a wrench in the game, not just tweaks/"balances" it.

Yeah, exactly. I still say that 6.84 and 6.85 were my favorite patches, but I'm just tired of them right now. The reason I'm tired of them is just because it's been too much of the same/similar stale thing for too long. People figured it out, and now you see the same small pool of heroes almost every game, just like every single patch before it. I have different things I like and dislike about patches, but 6.84 and 6.85 had probably one of my favorite metas for the most part.

 

[kionedrik]

I don't really see the point in buying Blink. You can't use it during SoF, and you have remnants. It just seems like a waste of space. You have SoF to set up Searing Chains.

Why buy blink on Tusk, you can just snowball in.

Blink is never a wasted item.

 

[aeolist]

To what avail? Western teams shuffle equally.

none of them want a carry player who doesn't speak chinese

 

[1.09]

if u dont know why u should buy blink on ember you obviously have no grasp of how to play that hero

 

[Hylian7]

Why buy blink on Tusk, you can just snowball in.

Blink is never a wasted item.

Tusk is played as a support initiatior, Ember is a mid/carry. It's a wasted slot and money when you could be buying damage items, BKB, or something else if you need it. There's no reason to buy blink on that hero.

 

[KingKong]

Secret 2.0 is turning into a pumpkin even faster than the old Secret

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Tusk is played as a support initiatior, Ember is a mid/carry. It's a wasted slot and money when you could be buying damage items, BKB, or something else if you need it. There's no reason to buy blink on that hero.

Have you even seen how good blink can be on ember.

 

[gai_shain]

Tusk is played as a support initiatior, Ember is a mid/carry. It's a wasted slot and money when you could be buying damage items, BKB, or something else if you need it. There's no reason to buy blink on that hero.

 

[Hylian7]

Have you even seen how good blink can be on ember.

No, I haven't actually.

 

[NormalFish]

it is well established hylian doesn't think blink is as good as everyone else thinks. Don't know why this hasn't been archived.

 

[aeolist]

has there ever been a player with higher highs and lower lows than envy?

 

[Anbokr]

blink is the highest value item for the lowest cost imo

 

[gai_shain]

blink is the highest value item for the lowest cost imo

Its the best non consumable item period

 

[W1SSY]

has there ever been a player with higher highs and lower lows than envy?

Is that Envy? Earlier in the lobby they said it was Illidan. They are also tagged as a standin.

 

[Anbokr]

reaching old bkb levels of prevalence/necessity