Yeah, I've been trying to get my team to push with me mid-game because we totally can but they often won't for whatever reasons. I usually get a ton of kills early-mid game but then I'm useless once the other team gets any significant damage up.
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Yeah, I've been trying to get my team to push with me mid-game because we totally can but they often won't for whatever reasons. I usually get a ton of kills early-mid game but then I'm useless once the other team gets any significant damage up.
Spec who?
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1848523831
Ellenpudge Alch is crazy, feels like he is on permanent roids.
What happened here, a throw? That's what it looks like by the XP graph.
I'm also gonna guess that NP was one of those NPs that Ults every CD all game and pushes the lanes away so Spectre can't farm them.
Juggs has been pretty frustrating in my 6.85 games, cause while were fighting 4 of their team somewhere else, he's solo killing our tier 2 with his MoM/Deso and healing ward
and then the next team fight its our racks
however #2Klyfe
Gyro aghs+Silencer+Zeus+NP+Spectre=Failed Global Strat
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Just don't bother with Aghs jugg if you are the team's core because while good it can get countered pretty easily with all the goddamn items in this game (glimmer and other shit) and they can just group and reduce the damage from it too. Better get other items.
that's no throw bro 5k now is pretty much nothing since one battle can swing that shit all over the other side lol
that's no throw bro 5k now is pretty much nothing since one battle can swing that shit all over the other side lol
neurosisxeno
Member
I never understood people rushing Aghs on a Core Jugg in this day and age. It's exclusively good for solo kills, because if you're in a team fight odds are you will at best crit for ~250 damage pre reduction and it's just not worth it. Just get some stats or a deso first then 2nd item Aghs for mucho damage.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
they still stuck in the jugg meta
SilentRacoon
Member
To be fair they weren't very good, even with me doing nothing for the first 5 mins due to lag spikes and leading to Steve lane to completely fall apart, these guys were all over the place, no coordination for a strat like that to work.
lol I think it was my skill bracket the one to blame for this ez stack.
I have never ever ever ever been guilty of trying this out with friends, and this being the result.
Never.
Ever.
Never.
Ever.
NormalFish
Banned
i could've been in that game. dayum.
Emerson
May contain jokes =>
how much did it cost?
No shame involved. I'll just put it right up on my shelf next to my Level 1000 Aegis.
It was like $60 I think.
stack dat attack speed. Pop MoM before you ulti.
Lifesteal is nice for jungling but you can also skip MoM and heal up with ward if you dont want to get nuked to death. I like getting some early attack speed with treads and maelstrom into mjolnir and bfly. AFAIK once you get your attack speed to 0.4 seconds you get extra hits in during your ultimate.
SilentRacoon
Member
Were they? I should pay more attention then, didn't noticed a thing.
I have never been a fan of MoM on jugg, unless you feel confident enough to finish the game very early, it's just a big waste of an item IMO
manfestival
Member
Do it bro!
TerryLee81
Member
Sigismundo
Member
So, has anyone tried Aghs Furion post 6.85 yet?
Will you stop shilling for five seconds, woman?
Shuggananas
Banned
Aghs furion was already strong in '84
SilentRacoon
Member
I have never ever ever ever been guilty of trying this out with friends, and this being the result.
Never.
Ever.
That's because my scrub level is unmatched.
1180 MMR
misses bull
Banned
As a former 1k player you can make it out! Just so you can get into the awfulness that is 2k mmr
Build better items so you don't become useless
I haven't tried Maelstrom/Mjollnir yet. I might have to give that one a try.
I haven't rushed Aghs, it's usually been like 3rd item for me.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1848524958 - We couldn't deal with the WR here. I was going for Aghs but realized that may not have been the best idea and MKB would have been better. Still probably wouldn't have finished it in time though.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1848276394 - Great early game, but then the Invoker was doing work for their team, and then of course the AM got farmed and was difficult to contend with.
Also look what level Techies is.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1846084093 - Waited too long to push and win and got Spectre'd. This one I feel we would have won if our whole team pushed.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1843972686 - Another close one, but the Slark and Meepo just became too much.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1838591642 - I don't even want to talk about this one, I played poorly and the game was a disaster.
Basically like people are saying, I feel like you have to play Jugg like Chen now and try to end in 30 minutes. It's definitely not the age of Jugg right now, that's for damn sure.
Shuggananas
Banned
Jug still sees some pro play tbh, he's not bad just situational as a carry
Yeah, I don't think he's bad, just not the "AGE OF JUGG" where you saw MoM Jugg in every single game.
Some carries just beat other throughout different phases of the game that's just dota. Juggernaut can still be the late game machine he was before it's just that with buffs to a hero such as Spectre it's riskier to build up for the late game as Jugg and better to go for an early push around healing ward and aegis. Situational carry pickups like jugg now don't have just 1 autopilot build like the old days, you gotta build to your teams strengths and other teams weaknesses. I'm sure vs a spec you are going to want efficient stat items to help you push like a drums or vlads + sny or deso. But if you're against some weaker late game lineup nothing wrong with going a midas build or something super greedy even the old mom manta basher skadi build is still good. Aghs is pretty much a no unless you are some sort of goofy offlane jugg and it's your first item and have 2 other decently scaling cores.
Jugg is still legit, he just isn't autopilot anymore. That's just my humble opinion as a former top 100 juggernaut on dotabuff. One day people are going to start to realize it's not only about what items you buy, but also what timing in the game you are able to buy it. And by timing I don't mean minute but timing relative to the pace/itemization of the game.
Jugg is still legit, he just isn't autopilot anymore. That's just my humble opinion as a former top 100 juggernaut on dotabuff. One day people are going to start to realize it's not only about what items you buy, but also what timing in the game you are able to buy it. And by timing I don't mean minute but timing relative to the pace/itemization of the game.
Shuggananas
Banned
4-4-1 for max damage, just get bloodlust early enough (either 4-1-1-1 or 1-4-1-1 depending on the game)
Cellbomber
Member
Better global strategy around spectre should have tree and AA with her. Haunting in after a late game AA ultimate that connected to 4-5 is basically going to get everyone. Also you have tree for heals and if he has aghs the global overgrowth will hold them in place.
Shuggananas
Banned
tree and AA can't make space for shit for a spectre unless you have two other heroes that do crazy shit
Cellbomber
Member
Honestly she can still get farm as long as you hold them from pushing high ground and dont have a lot of deaths. AA can push lanes out with ultimate.
Monochromaticx
Member
well, if you have them in a tri laning then you have leech seed + vortex + cold touch + treant right click + specter Q. that can zone out any offlaner i think (except clock?)
Poor Brad
(Shuggananas
Banned
I'm talking more mid/late game. And even then that lane doesn't sound too exciting. Alright but eh..
edit : lol if this brad muir thing gets me banned
Monochromaticx
Member
well treant ulti would a perfect setup for ice blast and hold enemies in place unable to heal will getting burned and sliced by specter and her illusions. i think it could be pretty good, just need the other 2 heroes to have some stuns.
and that brad muir comment will probably get you banned
Shuggananas
Banned
Oh well I guess we'll see
French team in open qualifiers got disqualified because one of them couldn't connect
Apparently they trash talked the enemy team yesterday too
French team in open qualifiers got disqualified because one of them couldn't connect
Apparently they trash talked the enemy team yesterday too
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
France was a mistake
manfestival
Member
Seems like the majority of my losses are in close games and then for some reason 1-2 people get caught while the enemy team is pushing instead of defending and then boom 1-2 rax are gone and we cant recover
Shuggananas
Banned
Seems like the majority of my losses are in close games and then for some reason 1-2 people get caught while the enemy team is pushing instead of defending and then boom 1-2 rax are gone and we cant recover
"it's not my fault if I died solo while pushing mid without buyback, you were all shit anyway"
every time
Monochromaticx
Member
that looks like a solid roster..not sure about steve
Shuggananas
Banned
"but I really needed that ultimate orb"
manfestival
Member
don't we all son
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
buyback should be disabled in non ranked.
It should work like it used to with no cool down
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