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[kasane]

2 bad no dendi

not really

 

[BeesEight]

Also, I get to see my golden baby rosh all the time now. I approve.

Unless the support locks it.

... assuming I'm reading this correctly.

 

[Razzer]

I think Crimson Guard is interesting because it's a physical equivalent to pipe. So whereas Vanguard just fell off completely and offered nothing beyond tower dives early game, now you can get some good team utility. It will still be a niche item for now probably, but mid game fighting lineups could make it a priority on 1 core.

 

[call_kotaku]

it's still bonkers taht they changed so many different things in really significant ways, this is some expansion pack level shit

 

[Haly]

The problem I see with Crimson Guard (really, the real issue is Vanguard) is that it shares the same cost-space as Blink Dagger and Mek.

The ideal Crimson Guard user is someone who:
1) Wants more HP
2) Doesn't really want Blink
3) Doesn't need to build a Mek because someone else is doing it
4) Doesn't really need stats/damage
5) Doesn't have a bigger and better item to build to

And the intersection of those desires is really really small.

Clock, Bristle, Timber, Phoenix, Viper (?), Weaver

That's about it. I would almost consider it on Pugna after Aghs but I'd just rather work towards Sheepstick.

 

[Schweinehund]

I think Crimson Guard is interesting because it's a physical equivalent to pipe. So whereas Vanguard just fell off completely and offered nothing beyond tower dives early game, now you can get some good team utility. It will still be a niche item for now probably, but mid game fighting lineups could make it a priority on 1 core.

If the void changes didn't hurt him enough, this new item definitely did. Also excellent against illusion heroes and for tower diving. I feel as if people are looking too much at the value of it for the hero carrying it rather than the team.

Wonder how it interacts against DP's ult, this could actually be a really really good item depending on if it functions like Living Armor.

 

[Hylian7]

Finished the entire patch. Waiting on all of it to show up in hitbox recordings, and I will push it to YouTube.

 

[KingKong]

The problem I see with Crimson Guard (really, the real issue is Vanguard) is that it shares the same cost-space as Blink Dagger and Mek.

The ideal Crimson Guard user is someone who:
1) Wants more HP
2) Doesn't really want Blink
3) Doesn't need to build a Mek because someone else is doing it
4) Doesn't really need stats/damage
5) Doesn't have a bigger and better item to build to

And the intersection of those desires is really really small.

Clock, Bristle, Timber, Phoenix, Viper (?), Weaver

That's about it. I would almost consider it on Pugna after Aghs but I'd just rather work towards Sheepstick.

Timber wants a blink, maybe Phoenix too

 

[Acinixys]

The problem I see with Crimson Guard (really, the real issue is Vanguard) is that it shares the same cost-space as Blink Dagger and Mek.
And the intersection of those desires is really really small.

Clock, Bristle, Timber, Phoenix, Viper (?), Weaver

Also Slardar

 

[BeesEight]

I think Undying might like picking the Guard up as well. There could be a few more who could squeeze it in but I'm not really drawing any off the top of my head.

 

[shira]

NaVi.US is playing with 2 standins so Im pretty sure ppd could just random every pick and win

1437 wanted to do patch analysis instead of offical match?

 

[Sigismundo]

So basically the only hero that would want to buy Crimson Guard is Bristle and maybe Axe/Clock.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Thanks hylian for the patch stream, was informative

OT: anyone got a video of the new roshan pit? I wana see

Confirmed to work

Infinite HP

lmao

 

[SteveWinwood]

Also Slardar

dude id rather have only a blink on slardar than like anything not blink

So basically the only hero that would want to buy Crimson Guard is Bristle and maybe Axe/Clock.

i dunno axe wants that blink to

it could be good on clock situationally if you dont need the aghs/blade

 

[Divvy]

I'd get blademail over crimson guard on clock like 99% of the time

 

[Kreunt]

diffusal on clinkz, yay or nay?

 

[SteveWinwood]

does urn proc with cold snap now because holy shit will that be broken

diffusal on clinkz, yay or nay?

deso drooooool

Oh, if we were considering picking up Crimson Guard instead of Blink I wouldn't do that at all. I was just considering the Vanguard > Blink > CG build.

We'll have to wait and find out this is the fun part!

 

[Sigismundo]

i dunno axe wants that blink to

Oh, if we were considering picking up Crimson Guard instead of Blink I wouldn't do that at all. I was just considering the Vanguard > Blink > CG build.

 

[Zephyx]

It has a much better build up though compared to blink, and 225 mana cost on mek is nothing to laugh at on a lot of strength heroes.

The mek nerf sucks but I don't see how it would shift away the focus on building it over this. The item is really good against physical teams but I just can't imagine people building it as a core item like Mek. The big benefit is that it makes the early Vitality booster for supports viable as they can transition to this item.

 

[Razzer]

Could someone work out the ehp added by Crimson Guard compared to mek depending on the amount of attacks in a fight when the active is used. So like when you get attacked 3 times in the 9 secs how does it compare, and if 6 times, if 9 times etc.

 

[Haly]

Also Slardar

Blink on Slardar is many times stronger than just about any other early build path you could cook up for him.

Timber wants a blink, maybe Phoenix too

Timber can get away with not building Blink, it's a matter of preference/situation for him. Don't really see any need for Blink on Phoenix.

 

[Kard8p3]

so fucking happy chen is getting a buff, been asking for one for fucking ever, cant wait to start playing him again.

 

[Quesa]

Wonder if building scepter first on timber would be better than BS now. Seems like scepter would make him even more mana dependent.

 

[kasane]

not sure if we're gonna get the most batshit insane dota in the lans or we're gonna get the most boring dota in the lans

 

[SteveWinwood]

Blink on Slardar is many times stronger than just about any other early build path you could cook up for him.


Timber can get away with not building Blink, it's a matter of preference/situation for him. Don't really see any need for Blink on Phoenix.

id rather have a heart than this crimson gaurd on phoenix if we're going that expensive

not like you build vangaurd on him normally anyhow for transition

 

[Divvy]

Where is Merliniiii???

I need that patch analysis

 

[kasane]

Where is Merliniiii???

I need that patch analysis

in korea losing to scrubs

Kappa

 

[KingKong]

Armlet Lycan? ok Fear...

 

[Ketch]

IF you end up in a situation where rushing vanguard is a good idea (snowballing axe for example) is it never not worth it to upgrade to crimson guard then?

Also, how does it interact with the new physical damage acid spray from alchemist?

What if you had mek, pipe, and crimson guard all on different heroes?

 

[KingKong]

Icefrog should make it like Divinity: Original Sin where having over some % resistance heals you instead of doing damage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[kasane]

Icefrog should make it like Divinity: Original Sin where having over some % resistance heals you instead of doing damage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

lol

 

[FACE]

Icefrog should make it like Divinity: Original Sin where having over some % resistance heals you instead of doing damage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

My Madora was hilariously broken late game because of that.

 

[Razzer]

Ethereal Blade is also pretty good now on right clickers. If anyone goes on you you just eth one and kill the other. Well maybe.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

In Ability Draft you can recreate Death Ward perma Invis Riki

 

[mfaex]

http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_EN

EG vs Navi.US game 3 coming up.

 

[shira]

In Ability Draft you can recreate Death Ward perma Invis Riki

need Tenchu ninja skin, no satyr plz

 

[Goldmund]

I'm surprised zai didn't just say "fuck dota 2" and quit out of the game near the end.

 

[Sentenza]

http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_EN

EG vs Navi.US game 3 coming up.

Two fierce battles so far.
NaVi US is really impressing me lately. They are doing a lot of good matches.

Spoiler

I also feel they are going to betray me with the third game and costing me my items, but hey.

 

[Conceptor]

OMG NEW CHANGELOG YAAAA

 

[Aselith]

bottle was like 600 since i started playing wc3 dota. Now its 700

end of an era

That's inflation, yo

 

[Radec]

LC nerfed.

Fuck you IceFrog.

 

[Haly]

1) Phantom Lancer is going to be a lot less cancerous. In fact, he's not going to be cancerous at all. RIP Cancer Lancer.

2) Phantom Lancer is going to be 500% more annoying to fight against.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Eyes in the Forest is a lovely spell.

Make any area of the map into an enchanted forest with grass growing and a cool mystical glowy effect.

 

[manfestival]

courier morph is a load of crap. SCREW YOU VALVE

 

[Metroidvania]

LC nerfed.

Fuck you IceFrog.

Saw this as well.

Sad times for Tresdin.

Interesting clarification/revamp of phys., magic, and pure damage, though.

 

[Ketch]

LC nerfed.

Fuck you IceFrog.

Does passives working under dual count for item passives as well? Crit basher lifesteal LC?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Eyes in the Forest is a lovely spell.

Make any area of the map into an enchanted forest with grass growing and a cool mystical glowy effect.

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give pics ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

 

[balladofwindfishes]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give pics ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

I just closed the test client...

 

[sixghost]

Chen's aghs ult can fully heal three 2300 hp ancient creeps every 30 seconds. Holy shit.

 

[Servbot #42]

I haven't played dota 2 in like a month or more but this new update makes me excited all over again, too bad my internet is shit right now