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Dota 2 |OT7| What the fuck have they done
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im salty about lycan losing his better BAT (that's been a part of the hero for fucking ever and the faster attacks was just satisfying for a wolf hero with a shit animation in ulti form) but the 650 MS wolves/necro-units almost makes up for it
regardless i think offlane/mid lycan is still pretty good, probably want a greedier carry in the safe lane though (and it's also a waste to put him in a tri anyway imo, you can put a better hero there that can get kills and still abuse howl from across the map)
mid lycan can also still deny one or both runes with the wolves which is huge with this new bounty rune and supports putting more emphasis on runes
regardless i think offlane/mid lycan is still pretty good, probably want a greedier carry in the safe lane though (and it's also a waste to put him in a tri anyway imo, you can put a better hero there that can get kills and still abuse howl from across the map)
mid lycan can also still deny one or both runes with the wolves which is huge with this new bounty rune and supports putting more emphasis on runes
Technosteve
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anbokr fapping in his room right now
CarbonatedFalcon
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Game gonna be so crazy after this update. The bounty rune alone, besides Roshan pit moving, etc.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Fuck Tinker
rekt cyka bylat go next
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Does this mean Enchantress will tear through BKB carries?
Desolate now has a sound effect. Also Oracle is decked out with place holder sounds, all his spells have other heroes sound effects now that are well fitting.
Looks like Icefrog may have experimented with Ring of Protection, Clarity, and Tangos at the sideshop, as they now have a field pertaining to them, but set to false.
Battlefury has stuff about Bonus Health and Damage Block, maybe it was tested as being built with a Vanguard for a bit?
Oracles lines have been recorded it looks like, he has specific lines marked as his pick and ban sound.
Phoenix is planned to have 5 item slots and likely will have workshop support soon, since his particle effects are labeled as his 6th item (Most heroes without items had their particle effects put into the first item slot)
New Mega Creeps will likely hit next patch, they have portrait information. Oracle also has updated Portrait info.
As a surprise to no one, The Arctic Watch Tower and Hustky Courier have portrait info so they are likely getting in for the Summit 2 bundle.
Looks like Icefrog may have experimented with Ring of Protection, Clarity, and Tangos at the sideshop, as they now have a field pertaining to them, but set to false.
Battlefury has stuff about Bonus Health and Damage Block, maybe it was tested as being built with a Vanguard for a bit?
Oracles lines have been recorded it looks like, he has specific lines marked as his pick and ban sound.
Phoenix is planned to have 5 item slots and likely will have workshop support soon, since his particle effects are labeled as his 6th item (Most heroes without items had their particle effects put into the first item slot)
New Mega Creeps will likely hit next patch, they have portrait information. Oracle also has updated Portrait info.
As a surprise to no one, The Arctic Watch Tower and Hustky Courier have portrait info so they are likely getting in for the Summit 2 bundle.
Lol, you guys seriously overestimate these things.
The sheep first build will come back, and those that played Tinker before he was cool will continue to do well with the hero.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
oh shit
Desolator Clinkz will tear shit up.
Desolator Clinkz will tear shit up.
No, a spell piercing Spell Immunity is completely separated from the damage types.
If it doesn't the spell won't have any effect regardless of the damage type.
call_kotaku
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I actually like the old SF straitjacket requiem animation more than the kpop dance he does in 6.82, but I guess I gotta see it in action before I make a final verdict.
Emerson
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Probably not for a bit because of fear, but he's still totally viable and actually still good.
I believe in one of his Q&As from 5 years ago, he confirms he is Male, 25 (At the time), and a single person.
shira
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Marauder Shields
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Holy moly that tower gold nerf and glyph buff. RIP pooching strat.
As a human being, I welcome this change.
Cyborgmatt
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Did they actually say when it was shipping?
Disgusting.
droppedbear
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I am also guessing that some of the bottle mids might make a bit of a comeback such as Magnus now, that they are pretty much guaranteed at least one rune to refill bottle these days.
Multiple heroes, Source 2, custom game integration.
Emerson
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No but if you're expecting tomorrow you're gonna be super disappointed.
None of those would really qualify IMO. We've had plenty of multi-hero updates in Dota 2 history, Source 2 is something that only 1% of the people who play the game would even appreciate, and custom games are already implemented.
Better load times, better perf, better content pipeline for the cosmetics they'll wear.
e: Better high-end graphical effects possible too, forgot about that.
After mucking in the test client for all the new heroes with big changes:
BloodSeeker:
Feels weird and the vision nerf is extremely noticeable. The weird semi hurt thirst is interesting but with 25% heal on Q I kinda felt like leaving it at 1 or 2 until teamfights start happening more as your Q also buffs your silence/nuke which also gives vision and deals 335 pure maxed out with buff which is enough to oneshot ranged creeps until 30 minutes.
Hitting waves from like 1700 range away on a 20s CD with Soul Ring and healing up and taking down stacks even faster seems pretty good. Applying the 25% heal on kill to others is fantastic as well or throwing it on someone about to die that's an enemy.
The silence was probably a bit too strong and this allows more counterplay and bigger teamfight presence with the silence.
I like it.
Bonus: When your damage bonus is going up slightly and no one is on the map someone is jungling or they are doing Rosh which is kinda gigantic if you read that stuff.
Lycan:
You go so fast holy shit and Howl melts down towers. Just gotta pick when your ult matters. It's k.
Phantom Lancer:
Less split push towers for free and more hard carry in your face / gank / chase kills. Feels much more aggressive with his current kit. Maybe go something like OOV -> Treads -> Drums -> Skadi or just stick with Diff build? Diff 1 and 2 are both only 25 purge so... IDK man.
Riki:
You get an insane power spike at 6 and kinda feel that you should just leave invis at 1 and go 1-1-3-1. Depending on fighting or ganking level up Q or W as see fit.
Instead of getting a ton of resets on a team you basically can take out 1 person instantly at most points in time.
Reels in the pub kill whole team factor and I kinda miss it.
Other nerf hurt so bad
Sniper:
Spirit Breaker:
He is a fucking ganking machine jesus christ. It feels like everything is up all the time forever. I think the Charge CD and Speed buff are kinda bugged atm or something though.
Timbersaw:
Treant Protector:
I messed up my screenshot but holy shit the Aghs upgrade is so fucking legit it is insane. Shit never goes away and you can just kill and push waves / jungle creeps with it and pretend you are NP $$$$ and also have semi global presence.
Granted they should remove the trees but it's another 1-2 items slots forced to be taken by the enemy team which is great.
I thought it would be good but it seems insanely good.
Tusk:
Every hero near you gets a free disjoint whenever they want to dodge nukes and stuns + Sigil being super strong.
Insanely good fucking hero. Gonna see at least DK pick this shit I hope.
BloodSeeker:
Feels weird and the vision nerf is extremely noticeable. The weird semi hurt thirst is interesting but with 25% heal on Q I kinda felt like leaving it at 1 or 2 until teamfights start happening more as your Q also buffs your silence/nuke which also gives vision and deals 335 pure maxed out with buff which is enough to oneshot ranged creeps until 30 minutes.
Hitting waves from like 1700 range away on a 20s CD with Soul Ring and healing up and taking down stacks even faster seems pretty good. Applying the 25% heal on kill to others is fantastic as well or throwing it on someone about to die that's an enemy.
The silence was probably a bit too strong and this allows more counterplay and bigger teamfight presence with the silence.
I like it.
Bonus: When your damage bonus is going up slightly and no one is on the map someone is jungling or they are doing Rosh which is kinda gigantic if you read that stuff.
Lycan:
You go so fast holy shit and Howl melts down towers. Just gotta pick when your ult matters. It's k.
Phantom Lancer:
Less split push towers for free and more hard carry in your face / gank / chase kills. Feels much more aggressive with his current kit. Maybe go something like OOV -> Treads -> Drums -> Skadi or just stick with Diff build? Diff 1 and 2 are both only 25 purge so... IDK man.
Riki:
You get an insane power spike at 6 and kinda feel that you should just leave invis at 1 and go 1-1-3-1. Depending on fighting or ganking level up Q or W as see fit.
Instead of getting a ton of resets on a team you basically can take out 1 person instantly at most points in time.
Reels in the pub kill whole team factor and I kinda miss it.
Other nerf hurt so bad
Sniper:
100% AS slow apparently is the same as -100IAS so this wasn't what I thought it was. Pretty happy about this.
Spirit Breaker:
He is a fucking ganking machine jesus christ. It feels like everything is up all the time forever. I think the Charge CD and Speed buff are kinda bugged atm or something though.
Timbersaw:
When I was level 12 it gave me level 3 chakram, dunno if intended or a bug. Hilariously fun to play around with.
Treant Protector:
I messed up my screenshot but holy shit the Aghs upgrade is so fucking legit it is insane. Shit never goes away and you can just kill and push waves / jungle creeps with it and pretend you are NP $$$$ and also have semi global presence.
Granted they should remove the trees but it's another 1-2 items slots forced to be taken by the enemy team which is great.
I thought it would be good but it seems insanely good.
Tusk:
Tusk gets insane, range is insane, blocking retreats is insane (You can block ramps, one side completely of towers, chokes, all the new ares, and it doesn't destroy trees so they are 100% trapped.
Every hero near you gets a free disjoint whenever they want to dodge nukes and stuns + Sigil being super strong.
Insanely good fucking hero. Gonna see at least DK pick this shit I hope.
User 85168
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Theorycraft time:
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So they'll use the build that was most popular when the hero was never picked in competitive and wasn't that great in pubs?
manfestival
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matts patch notes are not gonna be the same without techies being at the bottom of the page for the hero guess
When was it ever not that great in pubs?
poppedcollar69
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urn got super buffed
rhophiehalul78
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Wow these changes are huge!
so happy to see a lot of changes.
I'm tired of seeing tinker every damn game.
so happy to see a lot of changes.
I'm tired of seeing tinker every damn game.
6.81 Tinker is a public game terror. Tinker in previous patches was an annoyance that made it difficult to push, not an invincible god that instagibbed everyone after 35 minutes.
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