Heavy's Sandvich
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"you have been placed into the low-priority pool, as you are among the most highly reported players in the dota community."
I need to reform guys.
I need to reform guys.
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Dota 2 |OT7| What the fuck have they done
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http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2hjvkc/snowballing_in_681_vs_682_a_preliminary_analysis/
So far I feel that the data is supporting that the bounty change is a good change. It's a big nerf against deathball strats that were previously *impossible* to come back from. People are overselling how large the comeback mechanic is; if you have a lead, dying a few times doesn't suddenly mean the other team is on even grounds with you, and often times all the comeback xp and gold is frontloaded onto one or two heroes.
So far I feel that the data is supporting that the bounty change is a good change. It's a big nerf against deathball strats that were previously *impossible* to come back from. People are overselling how large the comeback mechanic is; if you have a lead, dying a few times doesn't suddenly mean the other team is on even grounds with you, and often times all the comeback xp and gold is frontloaded onto one or two heroes.
Seems to me that 6k exp at 10 minutes should win at least 80%. I don't think the idea is bad at all, i just think the numbers should be toned down a bit, especially on the gold.
it does if who got the money is a carry like void, who can get fat quite quickly late game.
This. I like the change, but I want to see the crazy bounties toned down a bit (something like 20-30% less).
Though I think the guy should also look at xp leads at places like the 15 or 20 minute mark. 10 minutes is just the end of the laning phase, perhaps a 6-8k xp lead at 20 minutes (mid-game) has a higher winrate.
Heavy's Sandvich
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148 hour ban on chat. I really am toxic.
Conceptually lessening the snowballing is not bad in itself, but the execution can for sure be overkill.
I think the jury may still be out for now on this one simply because it's kinda early, but there are some indications that this may be the case.
I've seen a 10k gold lead change with 2 kills and when there are some heroes that are predicated upon building a net worth gap because they don't use farm particularly efficently but they can get it fast, it does sound a bit problematic.
call_kotaku
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But it's been less than 24 hours how can reddit know how good the changes are
Nobody knows how good the changes are, it's just discussion, debates, and it's healthy for the game overall. You know, opinions.
You do get rewarded by getting fat though. You control the early/mid game pretty well and you will control the late game as well unless you screw up. If you make a mistake the other team should get to benefit from it. If the other team feeds in the beginning of a game you get rewarded, before .82 if this happened there wasn't a whole lot the other team could do to make a come back. Now there is and to a lot of people Dota is better because of it.
I think a lot of people like the thought behind the new comeback mechanics and generally agree with you. However, some people are claiming that it's a bit overtuned right now and the comeback xp/bounties might just be too much. We'll see in the next few weeks. I think the whole debate is less about, "Do you boost losing teams?" But rather, "How much of a boost do you give?"
Is this really a thing or are you talking plop? :hitboxsushirollthing:
The issue is that you are discussing the concept which is not bad in itself.
Some people here are discussing the execution.
One thing is for sure, for now it's hella fun to watch these huge swings.
manfestival
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I got muted for 24 hours. SCREW YOU VALVE. WHATS YOUR PROBLEM?!
Heavy's Sandvich
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It's real.
Good thing I'm banned from chat as I'd be flaming the pugna in the game right now.
How the hell are you one of the most reported players in the community...
Heavy's Sandvich
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I don't discriminate when I flame.
manfestival
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thats the only true way to flame. Otherwise you would just be a poser
Have you never read a single one of his GAF posts?
Schweinehund
Member
So many damn bugs this patch, first urn wasn't working when I used on myself during rupture (not moving), second, Heaven's Halberd did jack shit against an LC that was dueling.
Heavy's Sandvich
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That's what I'm saying.
I'm a team player, I just flame mistakes.
I'm razor, upgrade courier because no one else will. Need simple things like wards and sentries out to maintain our lead. I'm doing really well as well.
Nope.
Feed away.
I'll flame everyone in their own language. I'm a polyglot of swears.
I was muted maybe a month or two back for 24 hours. Whenever you try and ping or type in chat this massive text block shows up on the side counting down the seconds until you can speak in game again. I would have rather been in LPQ than have been muted like that. It was a very horrible experience.
The Technomancer
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This game does fucking piss me off sometimes but 99% of the time any anger I express is aimed towards the enemy team since, ya know, they're the ones bashing our faces in
How heavy is 1.09?
Heavy's Sandvich
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I'm a well respected member of the NeoGAF community.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Nah, it's usually to my team mates.
Had a fight near t1 bot radiant.
We know there's at least 3. As a pugna you'd think it be prudent to get your ward down for the team fight.
Nope.
Lost as Razor 13/4/4. Sick players.
SteveWinwood
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Some is discussion. Some is people hating change and using "this is different therefore bad" logic. Some is "I've played this game for 100 hours so I know what I'm talking about when I say x is y".
reddit is full of the latter two and very little of the first
its apparently been determined in 24 hours that the patch is a certain way so heres tons of images backing that up for ez upboats
I can see where it could possibly be too much but I think that it's still early to tell. It'll probably take a few weeks and a good pro event to be able to judge it effectively. It didn't help that our first real pro game with it involved ixmike either.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I just need to find a team.
I'm actually really nice when I'm not calling people Kokots and saying gg easiest game of my life after an hour match.
shira
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Team Secret.
Here we go Kick Off Classic part 2
Honestly I get pretty pissed off sometimes, and I feel like his posts don't get as bad as mine do when I'm angry.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Hylian sticking up for me like a G.
Fingers crossed nobody DDOSs the boys in yellow.
Wok
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Patch 6.82 is "if you get fat, don't be overly greedy and make noob mistakes". The winrates given on Reddit clearly show that a great exp advantage early game would lead to a total stomp in patch 6.81, which culminates in a stupid gameplay: in pubs, carry heroes dive on ennemy because they would get a few kills before dying and they don't care if they die. Patch 6.81 is the epitome of fountain camping with this regard: the game is "over", you can just play stupidly, if the opposite team gets a kill on you, who cares anyway.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Purple Cheeto
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Yeah 6.82 finally punishes the trench strategy of getting fat and then not working as a team to finish the game. Now if you're on the losing team and you can coordinate a little you can actually come back against a team that went all in early but didn't finish.
Honestly it already has made low tier games more enjoyable for me.
pls, swear in joual without consulting the internet. I dare you.
Sgt.Pepper
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same picks in pro matches
pls
pls
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