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[Anbokr]

As someone who said he would tweak it if numbers need it, I'm not sure why you seem to be separating the two. The reason I said I trusted Froggy is I expected him to listen to the feedback and make a judgement based off that, no that he would just do whatever he felt like it and that would be great. I think there's been an issue of mixed messages here. People see people on Reddit etc bitching in a ridiculous manner, they say it's dumb, then the more reasonable people who are just having a normal discussion think they are talking about them and get defensive and now people are making lots of posts putting words in each other's mouths.

Sorry I'm not trying to separate the two. All I'm saying is if someone says, "Icefrog knows best, he'll tweak it if he needs to!" Then they can't turn around and say, "Wow valve tweaked it way too fast, I'm sure they caved to le reddit!" Just gotta be consistent is all, and the post isn't directed at you.

reposting the 6.82 bounty system table after the tweaks last night for the new page:

The numbers seem a lot more reasonable. The bottom table is just the total assist gold, so just multiplies the top table number 2, 3, 4 or however many heroes you have.

 

[Razzer]

Sorry I'm not trying to separate the two. All I'm saying is if someone says, "Icefrog knows best, he'll tweak it if he needs to!" Then they can't turn around and say, "Wow valve tweaked it way too fast, I'm sure they caved to le reddit!" Just gotta be consistent is all, and the post isn't directed at you.

reposting the 6.82 bounty system table after the tweaks last night:

Heh, i fell victim to exactly what I was talking about.

 

[abunai]

Played for the first time since the patch. Haven't seen skywrath once. sogood.gif

 

[Anbokr]

lycan pick by alliance, let's see if he's still king boys

Spoiler

c9 plz crush this fukken lycan this is going to determine his ban/pick fate for the rest of the patch LOL

 

[shira]

clowns going uphill no smoke

 

[yarden24]

is the stream buffering every second for anyone else? or is it just me?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

her passive scales well in to the late game, and she is a late game carry.

I'm aware. But she gained 12% winrate over night and it seems to have not moved since the changes today.

 

[Anbokr]

I'm aware. But she gained 12% winrate over night and it seems to have not moved since the changes today.

Not enough data since the changes, give it 12-24 hours and you'll see the trends from the gold changes start to appear.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Not enough data since the changes, give it 12-24 hours and you'll see the trends from the gold changes start to appear.

Okay

 

[Emerson]

Played for the first time since the patch. Haven't seen skywrath once. sogood.gif

Skywrath is pretty much just as good as he was before.

 

[GoldandBlue]

Wow, Cleaver vs Fnatic. It was great to see an LC game where she dominated.

 

[LiQuid!]

Lycan still seems pretty good guys.

So when is 6.83?

 

[bounchfx]

Lycan still seems pretty good guys.

So when is 6.83?

Next Thursday

Spoiler

Lycan removed

 

[Raytow]

deathball strat is still alive =/

 

[t0rment]

Skywrath is pretty much just as good as he was before.

i don't think so, since early game doesn't matter much anymore, and it's when he thrives, at least for me.

 

[Anbokr]

That pa 5th pick was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Into a venge/chen/lycan/viper/BM? She's literally useless lol.

i don't think so, since early game doesn't matter much anymore, and it's when he thrives, at least for me.

The latest bounty change toned things down a lot. Early game should be pretty important again.

 

[Raytow]

That pa 5th pick was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Into a venge/chen/lycan/viper/BM? She's literally useless lol.



The latest bounty change toned things down a lot. Early game should be pretty important again.

bububub EE waifu(ntrd by loda).
bone7 ragequitting, lel.

 

[Kalnos]

i don't think so, since early game doesn't matter much anymore, and it's when he thrives, at least for me.

He still has one of the best silences in the game, does a fuck load of damage, and scales fairly well into the late game. The BKB change is good for him in longer games too.

 

[Zeth]

deathball strat is still alive =/

My impression wasn't that it was supposed to die. It's just not as powerful a strategy with the changes.

Less emphasis on early snowballing off multiple towers. Spreading the wealth, so to speak. If the execution is good enough, the same strategies should be viable, just (much?) more difficult.

 

[LiQuid!]

deathball strat is still alive =/

I wouldn't go that far. That wasn't really proper deathball, that was just a well drafted zoo strat. C9 didn't help by feeding 3 kills before the creeps spawned.

Was nice to see that Chen Aghs tho. Lived up to expectations.

 

[Schweinehund]

After playing a few more games, the comeback isn't noticeable at this point. Still that armor buff to towers pretty much slaughtered any early pushers.

Maybe I've spoke too soon, sounds like pros made chen work. Still I'm not expecting too many pushing heroes to be popular in AP.

 

[Anbokr]

After playing a few more games, the comeback isn't noticeable at this point. Still that armor buff to towers pretty much slaughtered any early pushers.

Tell that to alliance. To be fair though, c9 is completely stupid.

 

[Snowdrift]

Chen Dota is best Dota. I was having some mana sustain issues in pubs though with the Mek mana increase.

 

[Hylian7]

http://www.hitbox.tv/HylianSeven

GAFtershootarrowhitarrowshiral (1v1 Mirana) beginning momentarily!

 

[Wok]

This patch has been quite okay so far. The fact I get gold more easily makes the game less stressful and more enjoyable. Exactly like that passive gold increase we had back in the day for when I play support.

Even Tinker is still okay. This KDA on Pudge, ahaha.

 

[Artanisix]

It's still a little more than 6.81. Some dude on nadota crunched all the numbers and what it comes down to is pretty much: if the game goes late, one fight is huge and the comeback system kicks in if the networths are far apart. In the early/mid-game; however, the leads usually aren't going to be significant enough to kickstart the comeback system (so it's much closer to 6.81, but still a little bit more). So instead of seeing the top networth player on one team give the other team (let's assume his team is up by 25,000g) let's say a 1200g infusion to 3 players. He'll now give something more reasonable like 600-800g to each.

Here's a table that better illustrates the post patch bounty change:

http://i.imgur.com/VrSPdTT.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

Values are too low now IMO but we'll see.

 

[Chris R]

gg, twas fun.

Maybe next tourney will be with a hero I don't suck with

 

[shira]

PillowKnight where's you?

 

[Sibylus]

qojqva LC... mm.

 

[poppedcollar69]

I was defending it because Icefrog knows better than literally every person who was arguing against it. We had 24 hours of data and people were bitching their mouths off with preconceived notions, misunderstandings, and plain stupidity.

The community as a whole deserved to give it a better shot than they ever did.

I don't think I mentioned 6.81 once.

are valve and ice frog known for caving to public pressure? i dont think so

did they have as much data during testing as they did during the 24 hours it was live to the whole world? i dont think so

the values needed to be tweaked, and as such, they were

 

[Razzer]

qojqva LC... mm.

Where?

 

[Hylian7]

Sigh....I feel like I lost that just because I went for runes.

 

[Sibylus]

Where?

Was against some team called Fab 5 or something.

 

[Razzer]

Was against some team called Fab 5 or something.

Aww, I clicked on that stream but it was already over How did he do?

 

[Chris R]

Oh and I swear by all that is holy, one of these days I'll remember that there is no 0:00 ward in these 1v1 tourneys

And maybe win a match for a change too! How about a Luna tourney to follow up our other cat lady one?

 

[Hylian7]

We should have a Pudge tourney.

 

[Chris R]

We could also do Viper or Veno

Also, any chance of another team tourney for low/mid tier people?

 

[shira]

bottle is so fucking OP in 1v1

 

[Anbokr]

Fnatic vs albumsheet on starladder was an awesome game, recommend any SF fans (or comp. dota fans) check out the VOD.

 

[poppedcollar69]

also, i wanna say i dont like new bloodseeker

i had some ideas for him, if you'll indulge me

Spoiler

bring back old bloodrage
blood rite: for x seconds, heal all nearby allies in x range equal to the damage taken by bloodseeker, divided equally between the friendly heroes
same thirst i guess
same rupture but bloodseeker heals himself for all damage dealt from bloodseeker sources to ruptured targets

 

[Sibylus]

Aww, I clicked on that stream but it was already over How did he do?

~130-140 Duel damage, went treads-blink-blademail.

 

[Divvy]

I tried the new bloodseeker jungle in bots yesterday and it feels really damn strong to me. You can get level 6 in 6 and a half minutes and if you get good camps, you don't even need to use any regen. I clowned around with a dagon/eblade build which was pretty fun, but probably pretty awful in actual pubs.

 

[Razzer]

~130-140 Duel damage, went treads-blink-blademail.

Niiiiiice

 

[Zeknurn]

Lost a game just because our incredible shit Sniper decided to build a rapier and give it away 30 seconds after finishing it.

Shit should be reportable.

 

[Schweinehund]

are valve and ice frog known for caving to public pressure? i dont think so

did they have as much data during testing as they did during the 24 hours it was live to the whole world? i dont think so

the values needed to be tweaked, and as such, they were

They don't usually cave, centaur was pretty broken for a good 2 weeks before icefrog finally nerfed him. There was some pro outcry during that time as well. Most likely he just wanted to test the changes in a live environment before changing them.

 

[Anno]

Huh, somehow I didn't notice until now that the fight recaps are archived on the timeline by the pause button. Or is that just on replays?

 

[Hylian7]

They don't usually cave, centaur was pretty broken for a good 2 weeks before icefrog finally nerfed him. There was some pro outcry during that time as well. Most likely he just wanted to test the changes in a live environment before changing them.

I think it was one week Centaur was broken as all hell. And boy that week was nuts. Every single game, and you had zero chance against it.

 

[shira]

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[SteveWinwood]

pl is pretty good now huh