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Dota 2 |OT7| What the fuck have they done
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neurosisxeno
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How do you even manage a 1-10 as Spectre?
this patch broke BB
Would you say it was...the last straw that broke the bristle's back?
Imp the Dimp
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Bristleback is crazy bad in pubs since they nerfed him in 6.81. Don't recall seeing him win a game in months.
Woo! Knocked out two heroes from the All Hero Challenge today. Got Tusk in one try, and I even had to play him as support (lucky me though the lane was freefarm for the carry)
Also it didn't really hit me reading the patch notes, but I didn't realize that Ice Shards is straight up targetable. Not only does it not stop on heroes, but it stops where you click, so you can place it for blocking off exits, and not screwing over your teammates.
I kind of think that little buff might be what makes Tusk start getting picked more often in competitive.
Also it didn't really hit me reading the patch notes, but I didn't realize that Ice Shards is straight up targetable. Not only does it not stop on heroes, but it stops where you click, so you can place it for blocking off exits, and not screwing over your teammates.
I kind of think that little buff might be what makes Tusk start getting picked more often in competitive.
SteveWinwood
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i think when people were whining
they just really liked to hear themselves whine
they just really liked to hear themselves whine
call_kotaku
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So Mordor is fun, but if there isn't more stuff hidden away to lengthen the game I'll be done with it in a week
Now you know what it feels like to be a casual gamer!
Only weirdos spend hundreds or thousands of hours on one game
neurosisxeno
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Yea he's not bad, just really situational. I randomed him the other day and did very well--ended up losing anyway but he was hardly a bad hero.
You mean the minor nerf to warpath that is worse with 1 stack, but the same/better with 2+? Or the 4 damage reduction in 6.80?
I thought I was still playing BB and go dive tower
jk, it was just a bad game where mid Invoker was fed as hell and start killing everybody 10 minutes in
yea, I feel he's still crazy strong early-mid game, just feel off really badly in late game and this patch is all about late game
His skill ceiling went way up with the recent changes (snowball, shards), but he's not nearly as overwhelming as ES is when played at a baseline level. I think he is better overall though.
I don't think Ice knows precisely what he wants to do with Tusk, whether he's supposed to be an initiator, a ganker or a semi-carry. He just kind of meanders in all 3 of those roles.
I don't think Ice knows precisely what he wants to do with Tusk, whether he's supposed to be an initiator, a ganker or a semi-carry. He just kind of meanders in all 3 of those roles.
I think a new ult would help. It doesn't really make any sense with the way he's played now. They should just go all the way with the snowball save thing and allow him to target allied units.
Wok
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Most heroes can be knocked out in one try, except broken heroes like Gyrocopter and Bristleback. Axe can be tedious as well if you solo-queue.
Wok
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I played support gyro. I cannot carry with him since I get focused in teamfights and usually end up dying (after casting my spells) so the right-clicks cannot be used decisively.
The snowball change is pretty big and this version of shards is much better in my opinion. I don't like the ult at all though, maybe make it like pandamonium ult in hon (melee+physical bane ult without the mana drain) but that might make the hero a bit too strong.
Anuxinamoon
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call_kotaku
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There's a ton of viable builds, depending on what you want to do.
Urn if you want to fight immediately once you have haunt, diffusal if it fits the situation and you need the slow, radiance if you can go late, and manta is always a value pickup since the illusions get desolate so you can solo-kill anyone that's farming the jungle if you spot them with haunt.
For the last couple of games I've played with her I've gone phase boots -> urn (poor man's shield if I need it in lane, and a stick if it's value) and immediately start trying to clean up with haunt. It's surprising how many kills you can get with offensive urn charges. If my team needs me to I'll get drums, but otherwise I go straight for radiance to help me farm and make my haunts stronger. Then I get heart and manta, and the order depends on whether I need HP or damage first.
He was starting to see play as a support initiator.
There is no way they are giving him a new ulti when Walrus Punch has like 5 billion lines for it and its one o the coolest ultis in the game. They will try and retool it but Tusk will be punching people in some fashion
URN!
then drums
Yeah, Urn in general seems like an item I build way too seldom. I'll keep that in mind for next time.
Yep, I usually start with stout and build that into a PMS. I usually don't build urn but I'll fix that in the future. I normally build Diffusal before Radiance, but I think I'm too set on that and may have to skip in favour of something that may make more sense depending on the heroes against me.
Another game, another booster, another game another boostzzzz
It was the SF
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/932796090
Bristle wasn't much better, left 5 mins in the game after going 0-4-0. Obv he was a 4k shitter.
It was the SF
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/932796090
Bristle wasn't much better, left 5 mins in the game after going 0-4-0. Obv he was a 4k shitter.
URN!
thendrumsBlade Mail
Fixed.
call_kotaku
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Unless you have something you need to do with purges, I don't feel like diffusal blade is a value pickup for Spectre, though if others build it on her consistently I'd really like to hear about it. She doesn't really have any problems chasing, because of her spectral dagger and also the movement speed you'll get from manta + phase boots or drums, and the burn from radiance or the ticks from urn. Plus, manta and radiance are both way better pushing/farming/fighting items, especially for their cost.
Basically, I can't really think of too many situations where I'd get a diffusal blade over manta or radiance as my first big item, or situations where I'd get a diffusal blade over a heart or butterfly as my second big item.
sleverfunk
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Pick your waifu
sleverfunk
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What is a booster?
FlutterPuffs
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TEAM ORANGE IS BACK
Well Team Malaysia. BUT I'M HYPED.
Well Team Malaysia. BUT I'M HYPED.
The worst part of this patch is no matter how many kills you get and how few times you die, if your team mates die too many times, it's just impossible to win. I know that was always a factor before, but now it feels greater than ever. All of your cores need to be doing well, or at least 2 need to be doing very well.
New accounts who buy booster to get fast levels, then play only Zeus or other snowbally mids to get the higher possibly MMR after calibration. Basically, 4k shitters that think they should be 5k and ruin other ppl games. I srsly get a TBD every game jesus.
This is why ranked is bad
Just play casual AP and have fun man. Grinding MMR will only make you more unhappy
I learnt this from watching the movie The Quest for 4k: Hylians Struggle
Interfectum
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I think I got knocked back into a bad MMR or something. The last three games I played no one bought wards and even the courier didn't get upgraded until minute 20+. Whenever I kindly suggested we get some stuff going on that front support would tell me to STFU and I have money so I can do it.
It goes without saying I lost three games in a row.
It goes without saying I lost three games in a row.
Wok
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These days, I buy wards and I let people buy the courier and the upgrade, especially if they are being rude. If I buy the courier, maybe nobody would feel the need to buy wards, and I usually prefer wards compared to the courier.
Anyway, people usually do not buy wards or the courier, but this is so pointless: if you need it, buy it.
Haunted
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Supports not buying courier or wards means they're generally overestimating the impact their Aghs will have on the game.
Sometimes, everyone wants to be the game-deciding hero. Literally. >_>
Generally, having courier and wards is better than not having them, so buy them if no one else is, even if you're mid/carry.
Sometimes, everyone wants to be the game-deciding hero. Literally. >_>
Generally, having courier and wards is better than not having them, so buy them if no one else is, even if you're mid/carry.
I think people mostly build Diffusal on her for the mana burn from the illusions. Not sure if it is worth it with how long her illusions are around.
Marauder Shields
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Merlini Zeus in I-League
manfestival
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I tried the all hero challenge for the first time and my first one was silencer. I played him once when I had no idea how to play him. Last night I ended up doing great and won. I guess dude is easy to play but hes spammy. I played shadow demon for the first time and did good but my team lost that game
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