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DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
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Shuggananas
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You sure it stuns ? Also shards don't stun lol
I woke up around 3 am, checked the blog out of curiosity and the patch was up so I read that half asleep lol
Mangos every game
Imp the Dimp
Member
This is gonna be exciting
I felt like something during my sleep, had to wake up early, 6.84 patchnotes out Kreygasm.
Some notes: everyone is nerfed. Axe was SLAIN, the spin on end attack and not start is huge. In general very little buffs. Sky was untouched, Pugna got a sidegrade (worse a support, better as a core), Huskar got an useless buff. On the other hand, Icefraud continue to buff Omni, can't wait till 90% win rate in pubs. The bat nerf was unwarranted imho, but whatever. Hero was unplayed in pubs and not dominant in competitive anyway. Bloodseeker nerfed again, i see no point. Beastmaster is a monster 1vs1 laner,even more than before.
CM : slightly worse lvl1, but absurd lvl 7 teamfight potential. AoE 50% move and attack slow will win teamfights. This hero will be insane again. Also, ulti on 90 s cd at lvl 1, no reason to skill it anymore since lvl 2 and 3 have unusable mana costs.
Ebola spirit : slightly nerfed, icefraud plz remove.
Ench slightly better lategame.
Gyro is insane lvl1 now lol.
Jugg was murdered alongside with axe. Rip Jugg.
Kotl is so cancer.
Kka buffs are so-so, not sure he will come back into play.
I think legion can jungle again, have to try. Her laning is still much nerfed from before. Aghs is a non-item on her.
Lesh is gonna be top pick next patch.
Meepo was meganerfed for pubs, thx god.
Furion now jungle like 15% faster. Need to see actually how fast he farm now.
Oracle was sorta murdered thx god.
Pudge was slightly buffed, but nothing that make him an actually good support. He needed more lvl1-3 impact for that. STill, it's a nice buff for midgame.
Pugna support was nerfed hard, pugna core was buffed. I really dislike this change, because i always played pugna support to slain bitches.
Riki is legit support now with that fucking smoke. So much cancer. 4-1-1-1 build incoming Kreygasm.
SS imroved laning a bit, relevant.
Silencer slightly less cancerous laning, slightly better gank/fight potential.
Sniper and Troll, goodnight sweet prince.
Techies was already a legit pick. I loathe any buffs to him tbh.
TB laning buffed, this hero is being slept on a bit tbh. His laning if u go 2-0-3 early on is retarded.
Tusk so good support now bros. 90 mana shard make him so good at roaming/farm much easier, 675 ms snowball is also insanely good for ganks.
WW nerfed and introduced to CM. My prediction? Hero's bad.
WK support is insanely good with this aghs. Probably one of the best skills in the game. You literally CAN'T combo wombo a WK team, they'll come back and kill u after u used all ur combo wombo skills.
New consumables:
Mango looks good. It's literally an instant clarity + sorta tango.
Lotus orb looks fun, but hard to use. It doesn't dispel stun eithers, which would have made it usable for sure.
Guardian Greaves are absurdly good. Mek + arcane carrier will be in a lot of teams now. It's 5300 gold, but no piece cost more than 1600 , and that's the very last one. Gg boys.
The glimmer cape look deceptively good. It's incredibly good as an anti-gank item. Even if you get dusted, you still have like 75% spell resist against spells. Incredibly good to cast on an ally that is being focused down too. Sorta like false promise, obviously much worse but still.
Moon Shard: why is this item consumable again? Dislike it tbh. But the passive bonus are pretty good, not sure who want this however.
Silver Edge: apply break, which mean... it disable passive for 4 seconds, and reduce 40% of all damage done by the target? This look an insanely good effect tbh. Again, it's costly, but we'll see who get it. My first guess is Kka may get Shadow blade again.
Solar Crest is another absurd late game support item. 30% evasion and 10 armor on ally? Jesus boys. -10 armor and 30% miss on enemy carry? You gonna hate those supports.
Octarine core is like old aghs, and seems the most usable item of the buffs, in the sense that it's clear who will get it, aka casters. Hello lesh imba.
Obs/Sentry stacking is a sendoff from jesus for support slots.
Wand was buffed a lot. +1 stats, 35 less gold, 1 less slot to buildup, finishable in side shop if u get 2 branch 1 circlet. Core on all supports again.
Upgraded BoTs, again megafarmed heroes boys. Lategame rat is back with force.
All boots got a decent buff. I think Arcane got the biggest one.
Armlet now cost 30 g less!!! and give +10 attack speed passively. Make the item slightly better for farm.
QB is much better for supports now. The base damage affecting don't matter for supports, and removing wards in one hit is crucial for them.
Refresher got meganerfed like ugh.
Stout is buffed a lot for junglers since a lot of creeps have less than 20 damage. Make also Vanguard 50g cheaper.
Some notes: everyone is nerfed. Axe was SLAIN, the spin on end attack and not start is huge. In general very little buffs. Sky was untouched, Pugna got a sidegrade (worse a support, better as a core), Huskar got an useless buff. On the other hand, Icefraud continue to buff Omni, can't wait till 90% win rate in pubs. The bat nerf was unwarranted imho, but whatever. Hero was unplayed in pubs and not dominant in competitive anyway. Bloodseeker nerfed again, i see no point. Beastmaster is a monster 1vs1 laner,even more than before.
CM : slightly worse lvl1, but absurd lvl 7 teamfight potential. AoE 50% move and attack slow will win teamfights. This hero will be insane again. Also, ulti on 90 s cd at lvl 1, no reason to skill it anymore since lvl 2 and 3 have unusable mana costs.
Ebola spirit : slightly nerfed, icefraud plz remove.
Ench slightly better lategame.
Gyro is insane lvl1 now lol.
Jugg was murdered alongside with axe. Rip Jugg.
Kotl is so cancer.
Kka buffs are so-so, not sure he will come back into play.
I think legion can jungle again, have to try. Her laning is still much nerfed from before. Aghs is a non-item on her.
Lesh is gonna be top pick next patch.
Meepo was meganerfed for pubs, thx god.
Furion now jungle like 15% faster. Need to see actually how fast he farm now.
Oracle was sorta murdered thx god.
Pudge was slightly buffed, but nothing that make him an actually good support. He needed more lvl1-3 impact for that. STill, it's a nice buff for midgame.
Pugna support was nerfed hard, pugna core was buffed. I really dislike this change, because i always played pugna support to slain bitches.
Riki is legit support now with that fucking smoke. So much cancer. 4-1-1-1 build incoming Kreygasm.
SS imroved laning a bit, relevant.
Silencer slightly less cancerous laning, slightly better gank/fight potential.
Sniper and Troll, goodnight sweet prince.
Techies was already a legit pick. I loathe any buffs to him tbh.
TB laning buffed, this hero is being slept on a bit tbh. His laning if u go 2-0-3 early on is retarded.
Tusk so good support now bros. 90 mana shard make him so good at roaming/farm much easier, 675 ms snowball is also insanely good for ganks.
WW nerfed and introduced to CM. My prediction? Hero's bad.
WK support is insanely good with this aghs. Probably one of the best skills in the game. You literally CAN'T combo wombo a WK team, they'll come back and kill u after u used all ur combo wombo skills.
New consumables:
Mango looks good. It's literally an instant clarity + sorta tango.
Lotus orb looks fun, but hard to use. It doesn't dispel stun eithers, which would have made it usable for sure.
Guardian Greaves are absurdly good. Mek + arcane carrier will be in a lot of teams now. It's 5300 gold, but no piece cost more than 1600 , and that's the very last one. Gg boys.
The glimmer cape look deceptively good. It's incredibly good as an anti-gank item. Even if you get dusted, you still have like 75% spell resist against spells. Incredibly good to cast on an ally that is being focused down too. Sorta like false promise, obviously much worse but still.
Moon Shard: why is this item consumable again? Dislike it tbh. But the passive bonus are pretty good, not sure who want this however.
Silver Edge: apply break, which mean... it disable passive for 4 seconds, and reduce 40% of all damage done by the target? This look an insanely good effect tbh. Again, it's costly, but we'll see who get it. My first guess is Kka may get Shadow blade again.
Solar Crest is another absurd late game support item. 30% evasion and 10 armor on ally? Jesus boys. -10 armor and 30% miss on enemy carry? You gonna hate those supports.
Octarine core is like old aghs, and seems the most usable item of the buffs, in the sense that it's clear who will get it, aka casters. Hello lesh imba.
Obs/Sentry stacking is a sendoff from jesus for support slots.
Wand was buffed a lot. +1 stats, 35 less gold, 1 less slot to buildup, finishable in side shop if u get 2 branch 1 circlet. Core on all supports again.
Upgraded BoTs, again megafarmed heroes boys. Lategame rat is back with force.
All boots got a decent buff. I think Arcane got the biggest one.
Armlet now cost 30 g less!!! and give +10 attack speed passively. Make the item slightly better for farm.
QB is much better for supports now. The base damage affecting don't matter for supports, and removing wards in one hit is crucial for them.
Refresher got meganerfed like ugh.
Stout is buffed a lot for junglers since a lot of creeps have less than 20 damage. Make also Vanguard 50g cheaper.
Games full of nature prophet going agh + refresher + Octarine Core.
Shuggananas
Banned
Ench slightly better late ? She's gonna be a fucking monster lol, she will buttfuck any core with a bkb now holy shit
Also yeah that furion buff is ridiculous, can't wait for 20 treants waves
Also yeah that furion buff is ridiculous, can't wait for 20 treants waves
Oracle aint even nerfed. Aint even a sidegrade, its a buff imo
You can't slow, stun etc
you gotta take it up the ass or run pretty much
Continually
if you want to have a free seizure, have an enemy naga ult and then get oracle ulted
That's got potential to be insane indeed
Big buff for slarks progression as well
You can't slow, stun etc
you gotta take it up the ass or run pretty much
Continually
if you want to have a free seizure, have an enemy naga ult and then get oracle ulted
That's got potential to be insane indeed
Big buff for slarks progression as well
Stout is a considerable buff for jungle, pretty much the same for lane.
Oh shit didn't notice that debuff part. How often does it do that? So stupid.
How often did u find urself in the situation where u were farmed lategame as ench and u didn't kill someone because he had bkb up? I don't think there are many tbh.
Jungling is considerably buffed for melees (stout + tangos + QB is cheaper and more effective now). LC can farm jungle and sustain herself decently with lvl 1 MoC again.
Shuggananas
Banned
It's just 50 gold cheaper but now blocks even less, so I don't see how that's a buff lol
Ya it's a bit too strong I think
Nah jungling LC is still shite
As for ench, it's not uncommon to get a midas to have at least a bit of farm. And magic immunity late game means ench does nothing. Don't underestimate the damage of impetus. Ench is now the offensive counterpart of chen, she used to fall off super hard before.
It should still be 2 initial stock, so no.
panthapanda
Member
haHAHAHAH I just tried the Necro thing to see if it was true and it is. This reminds me of the stack ancients thing. Matter of fact, you could probably do both.
Wok
Member
I see a big buff to my PA build going Desolator + Vladimir + Medallion:
- Desolator is cheaper
- Vladimir is even better
- Medallion can be upgraded into more Evasion
You heard it first: PA is the new pub cancer.
Thanks.
Yep. Buy boots and a ward, pluck you ass by the ancients and stack every minutes until rosh dies around minute 5. Come out with an Aegis, bunch of gold, and level 6/7 depending on how well you stacked. Then come out swinging.
This may work the first day, I feel like the other team will likely come by and murder you at some point. Dire Ancient's aren't as safe a Radiant's.
Nope, new pub cancer is Level 1 rosh Necro, and Aghs WK. That rosh thing is gonna be so good in like the 2k bracket.
Shuggananas
Banned
rhophiehalul78
Member
I will probably play hundreds of games where I dont know what is happening or why I died.
So...nothing new I guess?
So...nothing new I guess?
Wok
Member
Well, fourth item is BKB, fifth item can be basher. And it works well against most line-ups. Trust me on this, I have slayed balanced line-ups with this, not just stupid full-carry drafts. Stuff like this one: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1359069190
Jungle Lc is now 6 min lvl 6, 7 min dagger, never using courier or taking runes, 2-1-2-1 build at 6, giving you decent gank power at that point. The new silver blade though is made for her, basically make anyone u fight a creep for ensured kill, plus str , bonus damage, backstab damage etc... This was on radiant and not optimized at all. I guess jungle gurus will be able to shave 1 mins from that. In general LC jungle will still be bad because of weak lanes, but nowhere as much as before.
Mangos seems also perfect for her jungle, regen as much as a tango in 6 mins, but give you the mana the gank after u cosntsnatly use press the attack to farm jungle after u get dagger.
Stout is buffed for jungle because most jungle creeps don't even do 20 damage, so in that case stout effectively cost 50g less. For other creeps, it's still the same damage block/gold ratio, you can get a branch with that extra gold and be probably more efficient anyway. You want branches for the new wand.
Mangos seems also perfect for her jungle, regen as much as a tango in 6 mins, but give you the mana the gank after u cosntsnatly use press the attack to farm jungle after u get dagger.
Stout is buffed for jungle because most jungle creeps don't even do 20 damage, so in that case stout effectively cost 50g less. For other creeps, it's still the same damage block/gold ratio, you can get a branch with that extra gold and be probably more efficient anyway. You want branches for the new wand.
rhophiehalul78
Member
So, can Naix assimilate someone then infest someone? Lol
Shuggananas
Banned
Probably ?
I'm really not sure about this aghs upgrade. It seems so meh for a carry that needs items badly or he falls off. He also has no mobility so it's not like he can do reverse naix bombs or something.
Double naix bomb could be nice I guess, but that's still for 4200 gold and a slot
Dreams-Visions
Member
I remember when some of us poopooed the idea of there ever being cooldown reduction items in Doto like we see in Leeg.
Well well. Shit is about to get real.
Nerfs look adequate. LC buff is going to make my sis a star. Centaur is now fucking amazing. Lifestealer is back. Aghs Luna :333
Well well. Shit is about to get real.
Nerfs look adequate. LC buff is going to make my sis a star. Centaur is now fucking amazing. Lifestealer is back. Aghs Luna :333
NormalFish
Banned
Do you think LC itemizes differently now with the lifesteal buff? seems like she doesn't even have to bother with anything but armor/tankiness
Here are all the new items + their effect in game
Glimmer Cloak and Guardian Greaves look really cool
Octarine Core is going to be the biggest game changer
Casters like Zeus, Lina Invoker etc can now have crazy sustain in fights
Glimmer Cloak and Guardian Greaves look really cool
Octarine Core is going to be the biggest game changer
Casters like Zeus, Lina Invoker etc can now have crazy sustain in fights
Shuggananas
Banned
Might be better to wait for level 2 aura ?
It will probably be nerfed though.
Should be 2'38 with level 2 aura
5' with lv 1
2'38 with lv 2
1'47 with lv 3
1'21 with lv 4
It will probably be nerfed though.
Should be 2'38 with level 2 aura
5' with lv 1
2'38 with lv 2
1'47 with lv 3
1'21 with lv 4
Don't think so tbh. Maybe you will want Armlet more (better buildup and was always a good item on her), and Silver blade may actually make Lothar a better choice than blink. It make her ult basically a doom and make it much safer with the 40% damage reduction. All the bonuses are also good on her, str, damage, ias and maim.
Imp the Dimp
Member
How did they not see the Necro Rosh shenanigans coming though?
Shuggananas
Banned
patch note is just called 6.84 (URL too), and there's no day 1/2/3 thing
Don't expect more than a chest or two and compendium by the end of the week
Easy to fuck up though lol
With lvl 2 aura necro does 67.5 hp/s to rosh, and rosh has 20 hp/s, and you have to take armor into consideration, so you'd have to time your hit really well. But yeah it's "easily" counterable, just ward the cliff near dire ancients with a smoke and you can see when necro goes there
Imp the Dimp
Member
You can expect 6.84b and c at some not too distant point in the future but realistically, 6.85 is the after-TI5-patch.
No need to ward, just walk near and u'll see the aura debuff.
Monochromaticx
Member
But his aura buff icon doesnt show without vision of necro, unless this patch changed that?
Otherwise you to notice the slight decrease in health.
Meepo + Lotus Orb + Rubick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EGtjbJYC7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EGtjbJYC7s
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