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[Sgt.Pepper]

everyone thinking octarine core is a support item but carries will build this

quote me now, I warned you all

what fucking support can afford a 5900 gold item unless the game is over 45 mins or something

 

[Anbokr]

everyone thinking octarine core is a support item but carries will build this

quote me now, I warned you all

it is most definitely not a support item at 5900g lol

It's a "turn late game semi-carry casters into gods" item--lesh, timber, lina, qop, zeus, OD, etc... The lifesteal is so insane I wouldn't be surprised to see these guys outscaling agi carries in some cases.

 

[BlastProcessing]

everyone thinking octarine core is a support item but carries will build this

quote me now, I warned you all

Who thinks that it's a support item?

 

[sandy1297]

Techies inside Lifestealer inside Space Cow ganking machine

somebody need to make this happen !

 

[Manus]

God Invoker with Octarine Core is gonna be so goooood.

 

[Drkirby]

Ursa is so hard to kill during enrage, I love it. You turn into some 1.2kHP bear into a 6k ehp guy. He is basically straight up unkillable while its up.

But the real OP upgrade is WKs scepter. My god, if you are somewhat even I think the item can flat out win you the game. It even works on WK him self if he doesn't have his ult up. WK is going to be the 6.84 publord. The only thing that makes this even slightly balanced is you can still disable the ghosts.

 

[JC Sera]

Ursa is so hard to kill during enrage, I love it. You turn into some 1.2kHP bear into a 6k ehp guy. He is basically straight up unkillable while its up.

But the real OP upgrade is WKs scepter. My god, if you are somewhat even I think the item can flat out win you the game. It even works on WK him self if he doesn't have his ult up. WK is going to be the 6.84 publord.

Glad, cause my 100-1k ping often reduces me to playing support Abaddon & WK.

 

[Sigismundo]

What the hell kind of servers are you playing on to get 1K ping? I get 200 from Melb to USW.

 

[Stronghammer22]

It's going to take a while to get used to all of these changes. I'm loving the agh upgrades, lots of potential strats with all of them.

I played a bot match before and gave two of my allies aghs upgrades within 20 minutes or so. 4x bounty rune gold is great. The bots seem to be broken however. Well, more than usual. Many of them didn't buy any items beyond their starting items. 40 minutes in and they're sitting on 10k + gold, no boots. lol.

 

[Saprol]

Can you aghs time lapse somebody who died under aghs WK? Probably not that'd be sick.

 

[NBtoaster]

what fucking support can afford a 5900 gold item unless the game is over 45 mins or something

Supports will probably have a lot more gold because of assist bounty changes.

 

[Wok]

http://www.dota2.com/684/

I just want to say that I called it: patch notes clearly happen with a time pattern.

 

[Drkirby]

I feel the Mango actually increases Ursa's jungle speed a bunch, he can afford to spam his Q with it. Someone who is better at jungle ursa double check and see if it really does increase jungle speed enough to warrant a purchase.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Supports will probably have a lot more gold because of assist bounty changes.

Maybe. But why would a support get that instead of something like scythe of vyse instead of that? Maybe on a stomp I guess.

 

[Acinixys]

Some of these Aghs upgrades are fucking insane

Duel being infinite and LDs bear not dying when he does seem crazy

 

[Drkirby]

If WK dies in ghost form, but his ult comes up before it ends, his ult still goes off. Scepter effectively shaves off 5 seconds from his ults cooldown too. Also, you can pick up aegis while a ghost.

 

[Armaros]

"He definitely needed the anti-kite power instead of just more straight damage."

It's important to leave weaknesses for heroes.

a self purge on a 50/45/40 sec cooldown =\= unkitable.

Especially with how powerful kiting is nowadays compared to Ursa's design.

 

[call_kotaku]

It just dawned on me that this will probably be the patch played at TI5

This will be so clowny

 

[Quacking]

Well playing Leshrac, Zeus, Necro and such stuff in 1st position is gonna be fun.
Alch farming aghs for them meanwhile.

 

[Manus]

Some clips from a lot of the major hero changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOOxyKJ9NsQ

 

[Wok]

This is a huge buff to Doom.

The following additional passive abilities are now added to the list of passives disabled with Break: Aftershock, Counter Helix, Great Cleave, Craggy Exterior, Slardar's Bash, Inner Beast, Dragon Blood, Mortal Strike, Degen Aura, Greevil's Greed, Drunken Brawler, Feral Impulse, Shapeshift's Critical Strike, Chaos Strike, Return, Reactive Armor, Curse of Avernus, Natural Order, Empowering Haste, Spell Shield, Thirst, Marksmanship, Precision Aura, Presence of the Dark Lord, Blade Dance, Coup de Grace, Vengeance Aura, Backstab, Headshot, Take Aim, Psi Blades, Geminate Attack, Lunar Blessing, Moon Glaives, Desolate, Jinada, Geostrike, Essence Shift, Fervor, Arcane Aura, Static Field, Heartstopper, Sadist, Overload, Fiery Soul, Untouchable, Null Field, Gravekeeper's Cloak, Spirit Bear's Entangle and Demolish.

Good!

 

[Sigismundo]

The problem is Doom doesn't have Break naturally. He's still 'rush Aghs all the time'.

 

[Wok]

The problem is Doom doesn't have Break naturally. He's still 'rush Aghs all the time'.

Still, I hated when a PA or a Lycan was critting me while scepter-doomed. Even Axe could be a problem while scepter-doomed.

Runes now have a higher hit box priority over units

Nerf to Riki...

Moved Ring of Health, Voidstone and Orb of Venom from Secret Shop to the Base

So OoV is still at the side shop, right?

 

[NBtoaster]

Maybe. But why would a support get that instead of something like scythe of vyse instead of that? Maybe on a stomp I guess.

Hex is a glorified slow now, get fun item

 

[DrPizza]

Techies inside Lifestealer inside Space Cow ganking machine

somebody need to make this happen !

Morphling hybrid swallows Techies. Lifestealer swallows hybrid. Lifestealer infests Storm or Spirit Breaker. 4 in 1.

 

[Acinixys]

Magic Wand

Requirements from Magic Stick + 3 branches + Recipe, to Magic Stick + 2 branches + Circlet
All attribute bonus from 3 to 4

This is huge

You can now go to lane with 2 branch and a circlet and then buy a stick from the shop to make your wand

Massive bonus for supports imo

 

[A Sentient Keyboard]

Cast behavior while turning to cast has been adjusted.

[...]

This subtle difference applies most commonly with Blink Dagger, as you could easily accidentally cancel your blink order if you clicked the other ability before you reached the critical angle (since otherwise Blink has 0 cast time).

Biggest change of the patch. No more embarrassing zero target echo slams.

Also Oracle's new ult sounds absolutely absurd. Make a hero completely untouchable for 6/7/8 seconds? Dear lord.

 

[Monochromaticx]

I dont get their obsession with adding more infest related abilities to naix

 

[Sigismundo]

Biggest change of the patch. No more embarrassing zero target echo slams.

No, they'll still happen.

 

[Sanjay]

 

[Drkirby]

Scepter Morphling and wisp actually make the two of them nearly unkillable if they tether each other.

Necrophos can now farm ancients from level 1. He can also attempt a level 1 rosh, I'm going to check how long it takes.

Edit: Takes Necro a little over 5 minutes to kill rosh. Whats cool though, is he can soften rosh up from ether dire Ancients or dire offlane. This may actually be viable in pubs.

 

[Quacking]

The problem is Doom doesn't have Break naturally. He's still 'rush Aghs all the time'.

Nope.
Alch is gonna rush aghs for Doom now.

 

[JC Sera]

What the hell kind of servers are you playing on to get 1K ping? I get 200 from Melb to USW.

Melbourne, shit net, family of 4, younger sibling always watching videos and torrenting

Scepter Morphling and wisp actually make the two of them nearly unkillable if they tether each other.

Necrophos can now farm ancients from level 1. He can also attempt a level 1 rosh, I'm going to check how long it takes.

Edit: Takes Necro a little over 5 minutes to kill rosh. Whats cool though, is he can soften rosh up from ether dire Ancients or dire offlane. This may actually be viable in pubs.

I'm not sure how this works

That'd do it.

:')

 

[Sigismundo]

younger sibling always watching videos and torrenting

That'd do it.

 

[Wok]

Riki

• Smokescreen no longer slows attack speed
• Smokescreen now reduces turn rate by 30%

This is going to be fun.

 

[JC Sera]

you spelt cancer wrong

 

[Drkirby]

Melbourne, shit net, family of 4, younger sibling always watching videos and torrenting

I'm not sure how this works

:')

For Necrophos, his Aura works on Ancients and Roshan now.

 

[Atlantis]

Solar Crest on Venge is everything, slay me Shelly.

 

[JC Sera]

For Necrophos, his Aura works on Ancients and Roshan now.

Ahhh so you'd need to be level 4/5 for it to work?

 

[ZeroX03]

Observer and Sentry Wards now stack into one inventory slot.

Support player inventories everywhere are smiling.

 

[Drkirby]

God bless Lotus Orb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EGtjbJYC7s&t=0m8s

Ahhh so you'd need to be level 4/5 for it to work?

Nope, level 1 is enough, but Necrophos missing for 5 minutes will likely arouse suspicion. If this stays though, stealing a rosh kill as Necro will be super easy though.

 

[Kard8p3]

Support player inventories everywhere are smiling.

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[Drkirby]

http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1430197036367.webm

I'm guessing it may only works on SD illusions and likely won't make it to release, if it works on Manta, my god the spell spam.

 

[Aselith]

Damn, that's a lot of changes. Icefrog dropping bombs regularly now.

 

[Shuggananas]

This is huge

You can now go to lane with 2 branch and a circlet and then buy a stick from the shop to make your wand

Massive bonus for supports imo

You could already go to lane with 3 branches and recipe

Spoiler

I saw that WAY too often, fucking hell

other than that, fun patch, fun new items, nothing too broken at first sight. Some nerfs or buffs aren't enough though imo. Also don't understand stout shield nerf.
leshrac with octarine is going to be gross.

also have no idea what the fuck that tusk aghs is for, that seems pretty shit for 4200 gold

 

[Quacking]

Btw the only changes that reminds me of League are the CD reduction and the Walrus kick.
League would literally implode if they tried to put the changes of this patch over there.

It took months to fix Azir's endless bugs just cause he had different interactions with the map.
Also, the active component of the items is way less pronunced there.

What I mean is, it's absolutely well memed but yeah, let's keep things straight.

 

[Acinixys]

also have no idea what the fuck that tusk aghs is for, that seems pretty shit for 4200 gold

Makes him a better team fighter?

Gives him 4 stuns? (Shards/Snowball/Punch/Kick)

He can get aghs blink now and kick the shit out of people

 

[rhophiehalul78]

Woah! 6.84! I'm off to read!!!

Edit: Mango as an item is hilarious. Guardian Greaves is soooooooooo good.

 

[abunai]

Just got to my desk at work.
Time to catch up on these patch notes. Hype

 

[sleverfunk]

Merlini just posted his patch analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65DoC64MvJI