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[Arkanius]

I don't even know this game anymore
Nothing is real
Everything is permited

 

[shira]

http://www.twitch.tv/admiralbulldog

dong analysis /w s4

 

[Maximo]

Alchemist is now 1st phase ban material until teams figure out how to effective disrupt his farming.

I Can't wait to watch some high Skilled Tournaments, mother of god it shall be chaos this patch.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Nvm

 

[Imp the Dimp]

It's still a good long range interrupt but now that's all it is, I guess it can disable blinks for a few seconds as well now. I should rephrase, flamebreak is a joke compared to how amazing it used to be at TI3.

I know what it does. I got like 130 games on Bat. It's not a joke by any means though. The burst was good, the TP interrupt and knockback however even more important.

 

[Shuggananas]

mek dropped off when they added the extra mana cost to it... the page doesnt say anything about cost of using this item... so assuming its free, it could be huge...

especially with the 15 armor and 15 health regen for friendlies under 20% health, the guy carrying this in teamfights simply must die...

then theres the debuffs to the carrier on activation... whoa man

edit: hmm, no way its going to be free to use huh

Mek became a trend on #2-#3 heroes before falling off. It's just better on farming heroes because you can't expect your supports to farm it quick enough. And supports can get more useful items too (see blink on lion)

Alchemist is now 1st phase ban material until teams figure out how to effective disrupt his farming.

Nah, don't think so
The only actual buff he got was that bounty rune thing. He's not gonna be 1st ban because he can farm aghs for his buddies lol

 

[KingKong]

Pretty sure WW is going to be first ban until 6.84b

 

[sleverfunk]

I wonder who will replace sniper and troll in the pubs.
Me thinks it's gonna be slark.

 

[Arkanius]

I wonder who will replace sniper and troll in the pubs.
Me thinks it's gonna be slark.

I'll continue playing Phantom Lancer like always
He wasn't even touched in this patch

 

[Monochromaticx]

I wonder who will replace sniper and troll in the pubs.
Me thinks it's gonna be slark.

PL for sure i think. Especially after VG showed how it works and won starladder with it. They even ran it offlane and made it work

 

[electricboogaloo]

i think people are overrating alch agh a bit too much.

 

[patapuf]

The best thing this patch is that it will solve at lease some of the inventory issues supports have.

Nothing feels worse than finally having some gold but not having the slots because you need to ward.

 

[sleverfunk]

I'll continue playing Phantom Lancer like always
He wasn't even touched in this patch

PL for sure i think. Especially after VG showed how it works and won starladder with it. They even ran it offlane and made it work

Oh yeah, how could I forget. He's one of my played heroes this patch.
I just love to confuse people with dopple and his illusions.

 

[JC Sera]

Pretty sure WW is going to be first ban until 6.84b

I'd warrant Centaur and WK.

 

[Shuggananas]

i think people are overrating alch agh a bit too much.

yep
EE is still going to put 1 point in doppelganger and put points in stats after lol

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

i think people are overrating alch agh a bit too much.

Meh, people are just getting excited because there's infinite theorycrafting possibilities, I haven't heard many people claim he's broken.

 

[Satch]

i think people are overrating alch agh a bit too much.

yeah like once you get past the feeding aghanims part of the hero......... youve still got a shitty alchemist on your team lol

 

[electricboogaloo]

yeah like once you get past the feeding aghanims part of the hero......... youve still got a shitty alchemist on your team lol

i think the moon shard is the biggest buff to alch and heros that farm fast but dont scale the best to late game. now you can focus on damage and EHP and you dont have to worry about attack speed.

 

[kionedrik]

Shards > snowball > kick during the snowball stun. Need phase boots for it to work well though

Nah. Shards would block the kick.

The combo would be blink - kick - ball - punch.

 

[Arkanius]

Oh yeah, how could I forget. He's one of my played heroes this patch.
I just love to confuse people with dopple and his illusions.

I love doing sick evades with Dopple"gank"
The other day I evaded a Lion stun just to show up behind him and destroy him.
Or evading shit in general with well timed Dopple

 

[sleverfunk]

So what if WK dies and resurrects and weaver with aghs time lapses him.
Does the resurrect's cd is back to zero?

 

[Calidor]

I ve been abusing PL for a couple months now, good stuff.

Also new slark buildup I like is treads, aquila, lothar into silver edge, butterfly, basher, Moon shard, skadi, abyssal, consume moon shard, refresher

or something like that

 

[electricboogaloo]

most new agh feel useless at moment to me except the centaur agh. that shit is insane like seriously.

 

[Arkanius]

I still don't know as PL though, if I should go Satanic or Heart after finishing Manta + Difussal

 

[Shuggananas]

So what if WK dies and resurrects and weaver with aghs time lapses him.
Does the resurrect's cd is back to zero?

don't think time lapse resets cooldown

I still don't know as PL though, if I should go Satanic or Heart after finishing Manta + Difussal

skadi into satanic !

 

[Arkanius]

By the way guys... Terrorblade illusions now deal 100% damage at max level.
I feel like playing him again.

 

[rexor0717]

Ench slightly better late ? She's gonna be a fucking monster lol, she will buttfuck any core with a bkb now holy shit
Also yeah that furion buff is ridiculous, can't wait for 20 treants waves

I'm going to be taking her to the offlane even more now. She was already a beast there, now I get free wins.

 

[kionedrik]

I still don't know as PL though, if I should go Satanic or Heart after finishing Manta + Difussal

I like to go Treads - Vlads - Diffusal - Skadi. I only go Manta if they have silences.

By the way guys... Terrorblade illusions now deal 100% damage at max level.
I feel like playing him again.

It's the slow illusions not his illusions.

 

[Arkanius]

It's the slow illusions not his illusions.

I'm deflated now

 

[SteveWinwood]

most new agh feel useless at moment to me except the centaur agh. that shit is insane like seriously.

aghs effects are just buffs to ardm

 

[kvk1]

This is the Bulldog patch.

 

[Shuggananas]

This is the Bulldog patch.

he will still be irrelevant

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Weaver aghs like Phoenix aghs is just a way to completely fuck over your teammates, also he has to farm carry items so he can't really afford to go aghs anyway.

 

[aeolist]

Weaver aghs like Phoenix aghs is just a way to completely fuck over your teammates, also he has to farm carry items so he can't really afford to go aghs anyway.

offlane weaver tho

 

[Calidor]

most new agh feel useless at moment to me except the centaur agh. that shit is insane like seriously.

yeah most OP shit this patch... I was reading the patch notes for the first time and I was thinking that most of them were gimmicky / extremel situational (specially the Alchs one) but Centaurs? its a freaking 5-man lassoo. Centaur is going to be FP/FB material in pro games for sure.

Also, is nice how the frog likes to provide the right tools for making heroes viable in any position. Weaver and Morph are clearly way more viable in the offlane

 

[Shuggananas]

But lasso doesn't give flying movement

 

[Calidor]

But lasso doesn't give flying movement

I meant 5man firefly

Naix battlefury/moon shard could work now

 

[kionedrik]

yeah most OP shit this patch... I was reading the patch notes for the first time and I was thinking that most of them were gimmicky / extremel situational (specially the Alchs one) but Centaurs? its a freaking 5-man lassoo. Centaur is going to be FP/FB material in pro games for sure.

Also, is nice how the frog likes to provide the right tools for making heroes viable in any position. Weaver and Morph are clearly way more viable in the offlane

He still needs to get the aghs first and since he is usually in the front line it can take a long time to get it. I feel you need to snowball super hard to get it at a reasonable time. I honestly don't think there's a reasonable situation where you'd get it prior to blink + CG or pipe.

 

[Shuggananas]

Centaur only needs tranqs blink force staff to be relevant for a long time
You can get these quick enough, get a few kills, then get the aghs off this
Sieging high ground with agh'd stampede is gonna be gross lol

 

[aeolist]

1 position alch who gets good farm for himself first and then gets aghs for the rest of his team could be a thing

a lot of this patch seems oriented around giving slot-starved heroes a late game boost

 

[Shuggananas]

Tiny wisp with one more slot and free 60 AS *shudders*

 

[Acinixys]

So what if WK dies and resurrects and weaver with aghs time lapses him.
Does the resurrect's cd is back to zero?

No

Time Lapse doesnt reset cooldowns on Ults

But imagine Aghs Weaver + Terror Blade? 100% Uptime on Metamorph

Tiny wisp with one more slot and free 60 AS *shudders*

Tiny + Wisp + Alch

"Free" attack speed and aghs if you can farm well

So you will have tiny with Manta/ BoTs2/Manta/Heart/Crit/BKB sieging your base

 

[BigAT]

No

Time Lapse doesnt reset cooldowns on Ults

But imagine Aghs Weaver + Terror Blade? 100% Uptime on Metamorph

Uh...Time Lapse doesn't reset the cooldown on anything. You're thinking Phoenix.

 

[kionedrik]

No

Time Lapse doesnt reset cooldowns on Ults

But imagine Aghs Weaver + Terror Blade? 100% Uptime on Metamorph

Time Lapse only affects HP, Mana and Debuffs. It doesn't affect cooldowns of any kind.

 

[Shuggananas]

Yeah time lapse rolls back hp, mana, position, buffs and I think that's about it

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

He still needs to get the aghs first and since he is usually in the front line it can take a long time to get it. I feel you need to snowball super hard to get it at a reasonable time. I honestly don't think there's a reasonable situation where you'd get it prior to blink + CG or pipe.

CG or Pipe aren't must haves, after Blink you can go force staff, Blademail, BKB, whatever you need. Centaur getting farm isn't uncommon since he's involved in a lot of kills. He doesn't need to get aghs at a reasonable time since the effect is always good.

 

[sleverfunk]

don't think time lapse resets cooldown

No
Time Lapse doesnt reset cooldowns on Ults
But imagine Aghs Weaver + Terror Blade? 100% Uptime on Metamorph

Ah I see, guess I'm wrong on this one.

 

[domlolz]

aghs scepter is actually kinda decent on luna now. wow

 

[Calidor]

He still needs to get the aghs first and since he is usually in the front line it can take a long time to get it. I feel you need to snowball super hard to get it at a reasonable time. I honestly don't think there's a reasonable situation where you'd get it prior to blink + CG or pipe.

In Pro games I honestly think it will be a very high item priority, maybe even more so than dagger.

Positioning is key, specially in highly coordinated games. It allows you to do terrifying 5-man ganks and absolute rosh control very early. With this new gank oriented meta, enemys coming out from every-fucking-where is just OP

EDIT: OH I almost forgot. Lanaya is going to rise again as a Pubstomp bitch with the meld buff + deso buff she is going to snowball HARD

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Can't believe Techies got buffed though. Easily the worst change I've seen since Terrorblade nerfs. That hero is the definition of anti fun. It is literally impossible to enjoy a game with a Techies on the enemy team. You straight up waste 50-70 minutes (which is the usual time Techies games end because that hero defs so well) of your time with a game you can tell from the picking screen can't possibly result in fun under any circumstances.

edit: Come to think of it, I called the increased incoming DMG nerf to TB illusions a ridiculous kneejerk nerf at day 1 and some scrubs on here laughed at me. Wish I knew who these were. Hero is utter shit atm.