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DOTA2 |OT14| i give up like your pubs do
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Riki
sleverfunk
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Does it work with kunkka's tidebringer?
No, it didn't make it not go on cooldown.
Curious about this one. I would think yes, but then the question remains if it is a regular attack (full damage to creeps, no SoF bonus damage) or SoF attack?
Wok
Member
That sounds good: Diffusal blade (buffed) + Sabre (2x backstab & 2x diffusal).
Plus imagine a roaming Riki with:
- Blight Stone
- Boots of speed
- Orb of Venom
- Wind Lace
Transitioning to:
- Phase
- Echo Sabre
- Diffusal Blade
Finally:
- Skadi
- manta, bkb, whatever
It works: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2321241398
neurosisxeno
Member
Shitty Builds in old versions are now Optimal. Wizard Lizard what have you done???
Wok
Member
On top of the build up into Abyssal, the fact that Damage Block works on illusions is insanely good for TB: you can push lanes like never before.
Monochromaticx
Member
huh
broodlings get the crit from bloodthorn
broodlings get the crit from bloodthorn
everyone does when they're silenced
Sigismundo
Member
I think WK Echo Sabre has some potential, maybe Void also.
shira
Member
If Ember's stay in it's insane. Also if you get Octarine it's 3.75s cooldown, makes for some crazy lategame itemization
you can just buy eul's I guess, late game it makes for some very tactical and timely activations/item purchases
Imp the Dimp
Member
I jungled him on level 1 prior to his nerfs. People used to flame me even though he jungled faster than Axe, LC, Lifestealer and all that established jungle garbage back then.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Funny how Arc Warden's winrate bombed, probably because nobody knows how to play him now that you can't cheese your way to a win.
Axe though, way higher pick rate and win rate.
Axe though, way higher pick rate and win rate.
shira
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SecretMoblin
Member
stay healthy TUSR
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
I think the best heroes for echo sabre are those that:
1. Have high attack damage but low/medium attack speed.
2. Lack an instant slow or stun to keep an enemy close (conversely, echo sabre is partially wasted on heroes that initiate with a disable anyway, like tiny or slark).
3. Could really use the extra mana regen, and optimally have high int to get the best use out of the % based scaling.
4. Already like manmoding and can make use of the extra hp and damage.
5. Are not starved for item slots.
Considering this, I think the best echo sabre buyers are:
Doom: low attack speed, slow keeps people in attack/scorch range
Bristleback: high attack through warpath, slow keeps people in attack/spray/goo range, high int growth scales well with % based mana regen
Undying: high attack through decay, slow keeps people in attack/tombstone range, high int growth scales well with % based mana regen
Riki: high attack through cloak and dagger, slow keeps people in attack/smoke range
Elder Titan: high attack through astral spirit, slow keeps people in attack/aura range
1. Have high attack damage but low/medium attack speed.
2. Lack an instant slow or stun to keep an enemy close (conversely, echo sabre is partially wasted on heroes that initiate with a disable anyway, like tiny or slark).
3. Could really use the extra mana regen, and optimally have high int to get the best use out of the % based scaling.
4. Already like manmoding and can make use of the extra hp and damage.
5. Are not starved for item slots.
Considering this, I think the best echo sabre buyers are:
Slardar is probably in the top 3. All of these apply to him
I think the best heroes for echo sabre are those that:
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Doom: low attack speed, slow keeps people in attack/scorch range
Bristleback: high attack through warpath, slow keeps people in attack/spray/goo range, high int growth scales well with % based mana regen
Undying: high attack through decay, slow keeps people in attack/tombstone range, high int growth scales well with % based mana regen
Elder Titan: high attack through astral spirit, slow keeps people in attack/aura
I'd like to respectfully disagree with all you said. The item seem catered for right click heroes and none of those you listed fit in that category (maybe BB a bit but not fully). All of those heroes are mainly casters with very little to offer in terms of physical damage.
I can see it being good on heroes like CK, WK, Jugg, Slark, Riki, PA, Slardar, etc...
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Except #2, but yeah, I think you're right.
I think it's going to be very underwhelming for 1-position heroes outside of Tiny. An extra attack every 5 seconds is not that impressive for rightclickers, and the short slow is not worth 2650 gold and an item slot. For comparison, drums is 1k gold cheaper and has better stats. It would be better if you could disassemble it, say for bkb and orchid -> bloodthorn, but as of now its a poorly scaling midgame item that carries dont have room for.
EDIT: Also, I think you're underestimating Elder Titan's midgame punch damage.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Tiny echo brehs
It would automatically be a third item after blink/scepter, so while it's good on him, I think it's not great. Getting it instead of blink sounds very situational.
GordonHalfman
Member
For PA and Ursa does the echo attack consume an overpower/blink strike attack?
Monochromaticx
Member
Void echo
and you forgot storm
and you forgot storm
yeah it does
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Is patch out on normal client? I haven't opened steam in like a week.
SecretMoblin
Member
elder titan does no phys damage (smirk)
elder titan still useless (smirk)
who plays that garbage and clearly not OP champion (smirk)
elder titan still useless (smirk)
who plays that garbage and clearly not OP champion (smirk)
Wok
Member
You can still go Desolator + Assault Cuirass to melt barracks.
Cyborgmatt
Member
elder titan does no phys damage (smirk)
elder titan still useless (smirk)
who plays that garbage and clearly not OP champion (smirk)
It's not a game winning item by itself but like so many others in that price range allows you to farm and/or fight early. I'm thinking about things like yasha, maelstrom, shadow blade, armlet, etc.
Also, he might have a powerful punch but his place will rarely be in the middle of the fray... your spirit will do everything you do (stomp, damage and armor reduction) so why risk it??
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Spirit breaker echo?
That was my first thought too, but the forced attack after hitting charge means you will stack stuns/slows. Still not bad as you can double attack again after charge + ult.
NormalFish
Banned
Audio hardware makes me sad
Monochromaticx
Member
I think valve was planning a 3 day announcement that includes the patch, pitlord + comic (an artist on posted that he was working on a cover for it) and battle pass.
but they couldn't finish all of it in time before the major qualifiers so they released the patch notes first.
It explains why the banner they used looks like ass.
but they couldn't finish all of it in time before the major qualifiers so they released the patch notes first.
It explains why the banner they used looks like ass.
Im guessing its either axe or slark.
I really like it on Troll. Also, I can see myself just buying it as a stat stick after core item numero uno on many different heroes. It gives a lot of raw stats and solves the mana issues of many agi/str heroes. Still need to toy with it, but feel like it's going to be great on heroes like Tiny, Riki, Sven and hell I might even just try it randomly on guys who hit hard like Lycan, CK, PA, and co.
Void echo
and you forgot storm
Bringin tha thunder.
I was thinking. The int change (less mana per int) is an indirect storm buff because the regen per int stays the same. And storm being a hero that needs lots of regen per mana it makes his jump range slightly bigger. Its tiny change but i need to calc how big of a difference it is
DOTA update said:
ROFL, unless they subtly fixed the bug where Troll only has 128 melee attack range, I think they just unwittingly nerfed his ranged form attack to 472 range because they misread the goddam bug reports. Or they worded this poorly and it actually means Ranged to melee form reduces troll's attack range by 350 (which puts his melee at 150). I really hope it's the latter.
So troll now has 128 melee form range and 472 ranged form range (should be 150 and 500) if the note isn't misworded
. I need to get on and test to be sure though but if so this is fkn stupid.EDIT: It looks like the update was poorly worded and it does indeed mean that Troll's ranged ---> melee transition only reduces his range by 350 (rather than 372). So this is effectively fixed.
Kilgore Trout
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I could be wrong about this, but I think you can cancel the second hit. Then when your next attack hits, it still applies the MS/AS slow and you can proc the bash outside of charge stun. Although if the bash procs on the first hit you're still hosed.
Guessing earth spirit in high mmr (5k+) games.
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Pretty sure some supports and mid will be banning bounty + lich
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