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DOTA2 |OT14| i give up like your pubs do
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What even counters it now?! It's on such a short cooldown too, and even lower with ocarina of time.
Monochromaticx
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-phoenix is already strong
-her aghs is really good now
-her aghs is really good now
A Sentient Keyboard
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If kotl casts mana give on a kunkka with echo sabre, both his attack will have the tidebringer buff. Credit to waga for the idea.
After watching this w33 play SF yesterday, I think I really underestimated the SF aghs. Shit can one shot people when you're not even on top of them. Being within like 150 range of SF means you are eating ~2000 damage at level 16. Being right on top of SF means you are eating anywhere from ~3000-4000 damage LOL.
Can't wait to try out some caster SF builds. Will have to toy around with euls/blink/aghs vs. silver-edge/aghs though, see if caster is optimal or a straight up right click build that includes aghs.
Can't wait to try out some caster SF builds. Will have to toy around with euls/blink/aghs vs. silver-edge/aghs though, see if caster is optimal or a straight up right click build that includes aghs.
hmm and yet her winrate has gone down since the new patch...and why aren't the top phoenix players in the world building her aghs if it's 'really good' now?
Pudge wasn't changed tho
Monochromaticx
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hmm and yet her winrate has gone down since the new patch...and why aren't the top phoenix players in the world building her aghs if it's 'really good' now?
its been like...less than 2 days since the patch released?
She is not exactly the easiest hero in the game so alot of low mmr players suck with her which lowers the winrate ?
"really good" doesn't mean "get this aghs second item every game", its a good item to get late game now.
the aghs is pretty good imo cause phoenix doesn't really have CORE items, he's that kinda hero where you can just build whatever the hell you want and an item that makes it harder to destroy your egg is pretty damn good; not to mention if you have a hero like TB on your team, you can reset his metamorphosis CD lol
also lol at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4gd2gq/storm_spirit_687_aghs_upgrade_suggestion/
looks like the frog reads everything from the most upboated to the most maligned
also lol at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4gd2gq/storm_spirit_687_aghs_upgrade_suggestion/
looks like the frog reads everything from the most upboated to the most maligned
Magic damage won't damage the caster, if the caster has BKB on against the Blademail. Physical damage casters could counter with Ghost Scepter.What even counters it now?! It's on such a short cooldown too, and even lower with ocarina of time.
Pure damage? Run for the hills!
waxinlyrical
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I'm definitely repeating myself, but give it a try on Bristle. I think he makes the absolute max use of the item, and unlike a lot of other heroes he isn't slot starved and can easily fit in the item.
+ strength is great for more HP, more right click damage
+ intel + mana regen is great for spamming more quills, more warparth stacks
+ right click with 100% slow means you run down people even better than before.
There's also really good synergy with building basher/abyssal and Octarine core. Octarine cooldown works on Echo Sabre cool down, which means you're double attacking more. More attacks = more chances to bash. Overwhelm on 27s cool down is really good.
6.87 definitely feels like the rise of Strength melee carries. Agi melee carries seem terrible now, ranged Agi carries might still be good (Hurricane Pike seems custom made for Drow). Intel carries like QoP got super luxury item in the form of Bloodthorn too.
Unless its non bkb piercing pure dmg
late game is precisely when you would never buy it because everyone's attack speed is higher imo. it's a mid game or bust item.
a truly fitting and iconic buff would have been to apply some kind of debuff to heroes who attack the egg so that you actually think twice about attacking it.......especially if it someone important inside it. it's a twofer--when would the enemy team not focus the egg if it has phoenix and the enemy's core inside it?
[edit] at best it's situationally useful if you win a fight and want to keep momentum to push, but if you won a fight that handily anyway and you didn't need supernova you're probably in control of the game as it is.
[edit x2] not to mention icefrog just added an item to the game that causes melee heroes to attack twice, a tasteless & unneeded assault on the egg's survivability.
If only Phoenix had a way to apply debuffs on enemies before she used the egg...
you mean the slow moving, non-bkb-piercing skillshot?
Monochromaticx
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skill shot
?
the one that has four shots to cover a wide area, a casting distance far enough to cast safely before using the egg, and is countered by an item that gets more situational every patch? Yeah, that one.
skill shot?
are you denying that the slow-moving, non-targeting ability is a skill shot?
[edit] all of this ignores the fact that putting two targets into the egg makes it into a relatively easy twofer for the enemy team...in fact some of the time you're artificially creating a two-for-one that wouldn't have existed otherwise. the downside is huge for an extremely situational upside.
Technosteve
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Axe viable now?
I was playing Tinker yesterday and a teammate playing Timbersaw said he was having framerate problems due to March, and he didn't usually have them. He restarted and everything was fine.
I would think it's the opposite. Less mana per int so your total mana pool is smaller which would make your jump also smaller. Your mana pool would fill up faster though.
Uh, Waga just watched an Aghs Phoenix egg get kilt... the teammate that was sucked into it was denied
it's always worked like that. phoenix is credited with a deny.
his jump is based on % of his total mana. Mana slightly increases his max jump range because of the flat cost, but the main thing that always affect his jump range is mana regen, which is why you get bloodstone on the hero (charges).
Only getting mana with no regen like a soul booster is garbage because more mana doesn't come with the regen that you'd get from int. At later levels it becomes inefficient.
User 85168
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In my mind it's amazing for Drow and Clinkz. Haven't tried it in a real game though
Still need to try it on Bristle ya, I thought he was on the cusp of breaking into the overall meta already and the changes to BM and Echo Saber are theoretically a huge buff.
I agree that Strength Melee seems to be the new direction. I still reallllly want to make an Offlane DK work but even with his buffs he still isn't very viable outside of dragon form until he gets stacked. His damage output is so low.
Tried it on Mirana and I was able to land a few Pike into Arrow combos but it wasn't consistent.
Gully State
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not worth it on enchantress?
In theory it's great for them, but it'll take practice because it pushes the enemy back and I never took it into consideration. Every time I used it I ended up pushing them into the trees and they juked me and got away.
What even counters it now?! It's on such a short cooldown too, and even lower with ocarina of time.
Nothing counters it now, besides not attacking, blademail first mid game item for every game, every hero.
Edit: Bkb becoming more and more irrelevant.
You are looking at it the wrong way. It isn't an upgraded Force Staff, it's an upgraded Dragon Lance. When you are a squishy ranged hero, getting some separation from an already occupied item slot for just a few minutes of farm is a nice perk.
Consequence
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New WK crit on creeps is nice. Makes the farm from level 6 to 11 much easier to catch up on if you go join a fight or two.
shit. nothing counters it? game is ruined tbh
Sarcasm?
sarcasm counters blademail? ill be fine then
i don't think so honestly
a visual experience of beyonce fending off rihanna and hitlor
hows your gb
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