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[Imp the Dimp]

Is there any compelling reason why secret deserve an invite but newbee don't?

To Manila? To be fair, EG is the TI winner so I guess they get the benefit of the doubt. Newbee got a direct invite to TI5 as well despite their terrible form the months before. Not saying it's the right thing to do but Valve are rather consistent in that particular matter.

 

[Qvoth]

as of now, invites are stupid because teams replace members so often

 

[twobear]

To Manila? To be fair, EG is the TI winner so I guess they get the benefit of the doubt. Newbee got a direct invite to TI5 as well despite their terrible form the months before. Not saying it's the right thing to do but Valve are rather consistent in that particular matter.

The defending TI winner imo should be guaranteed a spot. That's not unreasonable.

But with the rate of turnover of team members and how quickly the teams can go from dominant to irrelevant, the idea of Secret getting an invite when they're 2/5ths a different team from the one that won the Major, and having big issues with their new lineup, seems a little bizarre to me.

 

[LiQuid!]

Is there any compelling reason why secret deserve an invite but newbee don't?

The better question is there any compelling reason why secret deserves fans

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

At the very least if this new Secret team doesn't work out we won't see as many winning teams change their lineups, which is good for stability. It's a stupid thing to do anyway.

 

[Anuxinamoon]

Im sad

But looking forward tot he OG vs Newbee grandfinals

 

[twobear]

At the very least if this new Secret team doesn't work out we won't see as many winning teams change their lineups, which is good for stability. It's a stupid thing to do anyway.

Their attitude does seem a little self-defeating.......if the team isn't playing well together then changing team members is just going to put you back to square one and if you are doing well then changing team members.........puts you back to square one.

Plus with an ever changing lineup there's no compelling reason to Stan them. Right now it's a team for people who like particular players rather than any coherent assembled whole

 

[Arol]

What ever Secret version was the one that won Shanghai shouldn't have changed. It seemed that played very well and actually had in game chemistry.

But like shira mentioned who knows what the outside chemistry was like.

These players are probably well off financially compared to most that they want to make these decisions. Of course that doesn't change the fact that you make teams to actually win.

Manila major will be interesting to say the least.

 

[Monochromaticx]

At the very least if this new Secret team doesn't work out we won't see as many winning teams change their lineups, which is good for stability. It's a stupid thing to do anyway.

teams desperately need proper coaches that sort out the team issues and childish excuses to kick members (4 days before lock with no prior warning) "oh we had an argument in the draft that one time". "oh he was panicky" . "I want to play carry instead of offlane despite the current setup working very well"

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

People mostly stan players already anyway, there's only a couple teams that kept their roster intact over the years. All of the Chinese teams shuffled players around, NA just shuffled everyone, CIS is slightly more stable.

 

[KingKong]

I didnt expect them to dominate but I would have thought theyd at least win a series lol. See ya on EG after TI6, Artour

 

[Monochromaticx]

I didnt expect them to dominate but I would have thought theyd at least win a series lol. See ya on EG after TI6, Artour

OH shit! I didnt realize they didnt win a single series! LMAO

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

OH shit! I didnt realize they didnt win a single series! LMAO

17% winrate

 

[JawesomeJaw]

im waiting for the super zai shuffle.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

What ever Secret version was the one that won Shanghai shouldn't have changed. It seemed that played very well and actually had in game chemistry.

But like shira mentioned who knows what the outside chemistry was like.

These players are probably well off financially compared to most that they want to make these decisions. Of course that doesn't change the fact that you make teams to actually win.

Manila major will be interesting to say the least.

Rather steady teams like Alliance and NaVi (they used to be stable) have experienced ups and downs as well. Not changing one's roster does correlate rather loosely with consistent success. Although one could argue NaVi did extraordinarily well in three TIs back to back with a very similar roster.

Generally, team chemistry (which can go to shit at some point) and a meta that suits your play style seems to be exponentially more important.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

With current Secret at least all 5 players want to be there

We'll see how long that lasts. Secret has a habit of kicking players, even when they want to be there. Expect there to be casualties when this Secret iteration inevitably fails.

im waiting for the super zai shuffle.

I'm sure Bulba knows he's on borrowed time.

 

[Arol]

Rather steady teams like Alliance and NaVi (they used to be stable) have experienced ups and downs as well. Not changing one's roster does correlate rather loosely with consistent success. Although one could argue NaVi did extraordinarily well in three TIs back to back with a very similar roster.

Generally, team chemistry (which can go to shit at some point) and a meta that suits your play style seems to be exponentially more important.

Yes.

Although Alliance changed quite a bit as well before they got EGM, s4 and Bulldog back together again


I think the shuffle period after TI is going to be super interesting to see what teams form. Especially in the NA region.

I could see another super CIS reshuffle if teams for that region underperform again.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

im waiting for the super zai shuffle.

The Decision: Zai edition

 

[neurosisxeno]

VP giving out Jerseys at the event or something?

 

[Monochromaticx]

I'm sure Bulba knows he's on borrowed time.

he was given a False Promise

 

[shira]

Cold War fighting!

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[kionedrik]

^
a picture is worth a thousand words...

brutal

 

[neurosisxeno]

The PS4 Twitch App has really increased my pro dota viewing.

 

[shira]

Why did swindle use a clarity, salve, and tp?

He should have just suicide.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

swindle what are these Dooms

 

[neurosisxeno]

He's way too aggressive on Doom.

The fuck was that VP...

 

[scarybore]

Hahaha, that aegis snatch, what a mess.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

wut

DK just casually walked in and grabbed the aegis

 

[LiQuid!]

Complexity: If you can't be good, at least be lucky.

 

[Monochromaticx]

are the Group Chat rooms on twitch bugged ? I cant enter them.

 

[LiQuid!]

are the Group Chat rooms on twitch bugged ? I cant enter them.

works ok for me

 

[shira]

Belly is fat

 

[Monochromaticx]

works ok for me

strange :S


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FNShit

 

[neurosisxeno]

Yea seriously. Did fng forget how to play?

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

VP playing so poorly

 

[neurosisxeno]

VP playing so poorly

Both teams are playing bad compared to the other matches so far in the tournament.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Going late game against doom with very few farmed heroes is so miserable. He will always doom the highest net worth hero and that's that. Good for VP that COL's Linken's breaking abilities are rather few.

 

[shira]

audio?

 

[neurosisxeno]

audio?

Seriously, it's been like 3 days and they haven't gotten this shit fixed?

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

That Global Silence duration though

 

[LiQuid!]

It's a shame that one of these teams has to win this game.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Seriously, it's been like 3 days and they haven't gotten this shit fixed?

Perhaps it's not that easy to fix then? Clearly, not everybody involved in the production can be an idiot.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

Brainless plays by VP the entire game

 

[neurosisxeno]

It's a shame that one of these teams has to win this game.

Savage.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

It's a shame that one of these teams has to win this game.

That was rather poor Dota by pro standards, can't really argue with that. I'm a little surprised to see VP underperform like that given their good form against Secret. I'm sure they'll do better next game.

 

[kionedrik]

We've reached a point in time where Complexity is the best NA team.

Think about it.

 

[neurosisxeno]

Perhaps it's not that easy to fix then? Clearly, not everybody involved in the production can be an idiot.

It's also a major event and apparently the Russian Stream has had no issues. They also had no problems when RUHub was handling the group stages.

 

[Deadly]

im waiting for the super zai shuffle.

Zai coming back should be interesting. Fear retires Zai back to 4? It'll only be after TI6 anyways

Seriously, it's been like 3 days and they haven't gotten this shit fixed?

The problem is with the capture card's firmware, they've contacted the manufacturer and asked for an update but there's nothing else they can do. The Ruhub uses the same thing and get the same problem

 

[Imp the Dimp]

It's also a major event and apparently the Russian Stream has had no issues. They also had no problems when RUHub was handling the group stages.

I never said it's impossible to have no issue with the sound. If they can't fix it they might either lack the necessary competence or the resources. I doubt they actively chose to remain ignorant about it as sound is rather important. I just wish people on the internet would cool the fuck down occasionally and respect the intelligence of the people involved a tad more often.

 

[Gentle Rodriguez]

We've reached a point in time where Complexity is the best NA team.

Think about it.

They've already done well at TI5 and getting the Swedes on improved them by a lot so it's not that surprising, they're solid. It's more surprising how poorly EG has been doing, yes they lost 2 key players but aside from Bulba there's still 4 top tier players on that team.