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DOTA2 |OT14| i give up like your pubs do
- Thread starter Artanisix
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Had a teammate yesterday that swore up and down that the Pudge on our team broke his TP with hook, even though allied hook doesn't break TP. I didn't see the incident he was talking about, but I'm pretty sure I know what happened as I have seen it before. I think the Pudge hooked him right when the TP finished (so basically at 0.1 s right as the animation goes off) and it still brought him to Pudge.
I thought they fixed that kind of thing recently though. I specifically remember them fixing a lot of stuff applying after a TP that shouldn't have. For instance, I remember a few times where I TP'd out and an LC dueled me right at the end. I still made it to fountain, but the duel music was playing and I was walking back toward LC from the fountain.
I thought they fixed that kind of thing recently though. I specifically remember them fixing a lot of stuff applying after a TP that shouldn't have. For instance, I remember a few times where I TP'd out and an LC dueled me right at the end. I still made it to fountain, but the duel music was playing and I was walking back toward LC from the fountain.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
N0tail should just go back to being a support again, he's shown himself to be too weak at the carry. Bad game after bad game for a very long time now.
Monochromaticx
Member
LMAO general!
but dity dies anyway
but dity dies anyway
NaDannMaGoGo
Member
Dat 35k Timber :O
Miracle inspiring players for the tree cutting challenge.
Miracle inspiring players for the tree cutting challenge.
He's just pushing Miracle to the limit of carrying 1v9.
Wonderboy91
Member
6.87d:
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* Doom cooldown increased from 125 to 140
* Armlet health drain increased from 40 to 45 per second
* Sun Ray cooldown increased from 20 to 26
* Beastmaster Boar Attack Damage reduced from 15/30/45/60 to 10/25/40/55
* Call of the Wild Hawk/Boar manacost increased from 15 to 25
* Rolling Boulder slow duration reduced from 2 to 1.4/1.6/1.8/2.0
* Lion's base intelligence reduced by 2
* Track self bonus gold reduced from 200/275/350 to 170/260/350
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* Doom cooldown increased from 125 to 140
* Armlet health drain increased from 40 to 45 per second
* Sun Ray cooldown increased from 20 to 26
* Beastmaster Boar Attack Damage reduced from 15/30/45/60 to 10/25/40/55
* Call of the Wild Hawk/Boar manacost increased from 15 to 25
* Rolling Boulder slow duration reduced from 2 to 1.4/1.6/1.8/2.0
* Lion's base intelligence reduced by 2
* Track self bonus gold reduced from 200/275/350 to 170/260/350
You get a nerf! And you get a nerf! Everyone gets a nerf!
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
BM got picked in the first phase very often, in fact all of those nerfs are aimed at first phase ban/pick heroes.
it's actually just miracle + fly vs. the world, sometimes cr1t is in there
bm was (still is?) probably the #1 hero in dota for the last several
Monochromaticx
Member
good. I am sick of seeing all of these heroes. sunray needs another minor nerf tho.
good changes overall, armlet nerf makes me a little sad tho i wish he'd keep hammering away at the bonus armor he gave it (i.e. from 4 ---> 3)
I mean many of them remain strong, and they will still generally be good for an entire patch or two. So you get to enjoy your OP fotm hero for a solid 4-5 months before the nerfbat swings, and then you hope it's a rebalance or moderate. Sometimes you end up with a still strong (just not fotm) hero like present invoker and sometimes you end up with an OD/Morphling/Troll situation where the hero is completely and utterly butchered. Then you move on
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Wok
Member
Per usual reddit is so fkn dumb but im a masochist and love getting triggered reading post after post, it's why i go to playdota too. Complaining about lack of alch/slark nerfs meanwhile lamenting the "death" of Earth Spirit, BM, lion, phoenix, and doom. Why are you so unjust icefrog? Classic reddit.
Also the BM nerfs are nice, but remember he does like fucking double damage to neutral creeps compared to last patch (because of armor type changes), and he was a monstrosity last patch. This is probably just trying to account for that. Same deal with the lion nerfs, accounting for that +50 base mana infusion that gave many heroes a stronger mana pool for the first 10-15 minutes of the game. The -2 base damage does suck though.
Also the BM nerfs are nice, but remember he does like fucking double damage to neutral creeps compared to last patch (because of armor type changes), and he was a monstrosity last patch. This is probably just trying to account for that. Same deal with the lion nerfs, accounting for that +50 base mana infusion that gave many heroes a stronger mana pool for the first 10-15 minutes of the game. The -2 base damage does suck though.
shira
Member
NaDannMaGoGo
Member
Can live with that Sun Ray nerf.
not enough. still first pick/ban material but it's a start.
nerf the turn rate or the heal/damage itself and then we'll be good to go.
and make that shit magical or physical not pure ffs.
NaDannMaGoGo
Member
Was kinda nice that Sunray had a comparatively low cooldown. Every second fight with phoenix, especially when you have no nova, is basically "alright guys, I just used my three abilitiy, see you in half a minute when I can do sth.
I'm not complaining, that's obviously his weakpoint which is offset by nova to a degree, however it realy is frustrating in drawn out fights. Especially when your teammates don't understand that.
Should they want to nerf sunray further than this I hope we get a substantial buff to solar dive though. That spell is a neat value point in level one but scales fuck-all. If levels increase slow% or reduce CD a bit that would be nice.
I'm not complaining, that's obviously his weakpoint which is offset by nova to a degree, however it realy is frustrating in drawn out fights. Especially when your teammates don't understand that.
Should they want to nerf sunray further than this I hope we get a substantial buff to solar dive though. That spell is a neat value point in level one but scales fuck-all. If levels increase slow% or reduce CD a bit that would be nice.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I feel like those people only take into account their own fucking pub games, I don't know how else you come to the conclusion that Alch and Slark need nerfs.
Earth Spirit has "died" like 5 times now, and whoops, still fp/fb.
None of those heroes that got nerfed are "dead", but the nerfs are necessary and welcome.
I still ban Slark every game because I hate playing against him. I know he isn't particularly OP, I just hate playing against him this patch and if there is an easy way to avoid that, no reason not to take it.
I still ban Slark every game because I hate playing against him. I know he isn't particularly OP, I just hate playing against him this patch and if there is an easy way to avoid that, no reason not to take it.
misses bull
Banned
Hes the new batrider. We all say "this is it" but he keeps rolling back into our hearts
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I understand targetting the pro scene for balance changes, but us peasants need some as well. Slark is obnoxius in pubs and it's in almost every game.
Monochromaticx
Member
CM is the new go to support now that lion is dethroned.
The base Int thing is barely a nerf right?
Monochromaticx
Member
It could happen! some day!
Monochromaticx
Member
IMO its significant enough.
Lion -2 int is a big nerf. Rilay completely died with a -3 nerf. Granted, this is after a +20 mana buff on everyone iirc? So maybe not as big, but still.
Sunray change is irrilevant. Needed to change damage type to magic so it's more of a healing spell and moderate damage and not heal + pure huge damage nuke. Phoenix has already tons of damage with his other spells anyway.
Sunray change is irrilevant. Needed to change damage type to magic so it's more of a healing spell and moderate damage and not heal + pure huge damage nuke. Phoenix has already tons of damage with his other spells anyway.
misses bull
Banned
Can lion still do his hex stun combo in lane without needing mana drain?
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Main stat changes are usually significant, Lion's early game is gonna be somewhat worse, mid to lategame he's still incredibly strong though.
Dreams-Visions
Member
$5 boots
forever. they're becoming meme-worthy. but hey, if she loves them she loves them. I'll keep teasing about them, though.
manfestival
Member
so i tried playing some doom... i got bored and went back to playing dota 2. far less boring of a game but far more rage inducing. is there no perfect medium?
Pub based nerfs are really rare, and only in special cases, like Meepo a few patches back for instance (when he had the reduced respawn time and extra magic resistance with ult). Earth Spirit has also had nerfs based on pubs in the past, but before he was in CM, that's all they had to base his nerfs on, and some of them were pretty obviously OP. A few years ago Grip on a rock used to stun, and Boulder Smash was the silence. You could win any mid lane at level 3, guaranteed.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
You can't balance both unless pubs and comp had their own metas, also pub has several different metas of its own. For example: Naga has a 40% winrate at sub 2k and a 53% wr at >5k, Medusa has 40% wr >5k and a 53% wr <2k. The main problem with Slark is that he's getting picked A LOT, his winrate is only slightly above average.
Icefrog will only nerf heroes that are purely pub terrors if they absolutely dominate, like over 60% wr without even trying heroes. Spirit Breaker, Huskar, etc.
shira
Member
Slark only has a 52% win rate.
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/winning
Problem is he's picked 26% of the time.
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/winning
Problem is he's picked 26% of the time.
Dreams-Visions
Member
holy shit.
Jesus, up there with old favorites like Pudge and Invoker.
Why is Legion so high on pick rate?
Isn't he stronger early game? When there's no BKBs to block your chain disables and Finger and just melts heroes?
misses bull
Banned
bad players like to jungle
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