Doug Bowser - "some people...may not be able to afford [the Switch 2's] price point. That's why we wanted to make the other Switch platforms available

I can't believe he pulled a Don Mattrick. Like. Wow. Bizarro world right now on Nintendos communication around Switch 2.
Yeah, that's what's really wild about this comment. It really shows how out of touch these suits are, or at the very least how much of an idiot this Doug Bowser is.

Even if you want to side with Nintendo on every thing else. "they're a business, they need to make money, so they have to charge this" yadda yadda, sure, forget all that for the sake of argument. Him making this comment is just braindead stupid. It literally is pulling a Mattrick, and just from a PR move, any company in the business of video games should have that incident as part of mandatory training or something for things NOT to say.
 
Saying that poor people have the older hardware lol. And this guy's in charge? It's like no one learned a lesson from how players reacted to Mattrick's response years ago.
 
The price point of the console isn't the problem. It's the $80 games. They've gotta set the ceiling at $69.99 and just be okay with leaving that additional greedy $10 off the table. Otherwise I think many people will just revolt and only play old games. And also $80 games is the death of new games. It would be a slow death but a death nonetheless. I can't imagine giving Nintendo $80 freaking dollars for a four-year old Kirby game. Or a very minor add-on to last year's Mario Party. Just ridiculous.
Look at how they attack emulators, that's how they truly are.
 
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But the Steam Deck is more flexible with settings and variable refresh rate. Consoles are more 30fps oriented machines.
 
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Herman and Phil just sighed in relief

NoA president speed running to become the one executive who said more stupid shit in 2025
 
People saying price of console not the problem, it might be if Nintendo add the trump tax to it when they announce price and preorder
 
So, i have come around on price. After i reflected on it for a few days. I don't have a problem even if the game is $90 or $100. BUT, the consumer would have to demand more from Nitnendo for the price. No half ass ports or games anymore. NONE. For example,

Mario Golf or Mario Tennis is the best ever. Not the half assed Mario Tennis Wii U or Mario Golf Super Rush.
Pokemon, better be the best ever.
Zelda remakes better get the Wind Waker HD treatment and not the Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess remake.

DK Country returns needs to be remake "ground up". Etc. not a cheap 3ds port.
Switch Sports and Mario Strikers need to actually work! Full STOP. Make a good damn game.

I also think, Nintnedo loses the ability to make weird content. Nintendo will have to listen to the consumer and essentially let the consumer dictate what franchises are getting worked on!!


Nintendo will loose an incredible amount of power to the consumer. But they will indeed make more money.

Do you think Nintendo is ready for all of that?

You're romanticising this idea that a higher price tag suddenly gives consumers creative control over Nintendo's output. It doesn't. It's not Patreon. You don't unlock executive authority at $90.

Yes, games are more expensive but so is everything. Global inflation, higher dev costs, longer dev cycles, and growing team sizes all feed into this. It's not some conspiracy to shovel out "half-assed ports." You're not being taxed for having taste.
And the idea that Nintendo will "lose creative power" and have to let fans dictate what gets made? That's fantasy. Peolle can barely agree on what they want. Imagine letting Twitter/Neogaf/Resetera steer game development. You'd get Metroid Kart with a farming minigame.

If anything, Nintendo will double down on its weirdness. It's what makes them money. They'll make what sells and what surprises. Price hikes don't flip that equation they reflect the costs of making top-tier games in 2025, not the golden age of GameCube.
 
What would be a fair price point to those disappointed in the price? $400? What did the original Switch launch at? I want to say the Wii was $250 at launch but the Wii was largely GC level of power, right? So the Wii is launching 5 years after the GC, similar power level but it has a motion controller it's going all in on. If the Switch 2 is sincerely overall stronger than a PS4/Xbox One (a considerable jump up from the Switch 1), what would a fair price be? I'm starting to wonder if the reason people are so frustrated about the price is more an issue of people having less expendable income than they used to, which I would say is a societal issue. I respect and love this forum's desire to avoid politics so I'm really not trying to go down that road, but maybe this whole pricing issue is just the frustrating place we've reached where maybe the middle class isn't what it used to be (people having less money to spend on entertainment)?
The price of the system is not so much a "bad deal" as it is an unprecedented cost for a handheld. Remember when the 3DS and later the Vita launched at a shocking $250 price point? The 3DS performed so badly Nintendo was forced to grovel and cut the price all the way down to $170 to save the system. Sony couldn't cut the cost of the Vita--at least, not without making it so unprofitable that it wouldn't be worth selling. A mistake they had already made with the PS3 and that it took them ages to recover from. So they allowed the Vita to wither on the vine. The market voted, and while the Vita was a very good system, that huge price difference with the 3DS made it a complete non-starter for the mass market.

Now we have the Switch 2, which is pricing itself exceedingly high for a handheld device. Yes, it has a dock, it can be interacted with like a console by hooking it up to a TV. But it is first and foremost a portable gaming system and this is how it gets a huge amount of use. The actual price of the Switch 2 is not a "bad value" for the tech included, but it remains to be seen if the market will bear it.

Of greater concern is the race to price games at $80 and $90, which is higher than anyone else in the industry. Of much greater concern that if Nintendo is successful in this pricing structure, they will overnight teach every platform holder and publisher in the industry that they are undervaluing their games and allowing consumers to rip them off at $60 and $70 pricing. A hike across the board and all platforms is inevitable should Nintendo be successful.

Gamers balking at pricing on game systems and software is nothing new. The price has always been what the market will bear, and if the market won't bear the price, the products fail unless pricing changes are made. Nintendo is attempting to add more weight to the market and has decided that it will bear these prices, that consumers will bow to their will. And they may very well be right. But in this case, Nintendo's success has a guaranteed outcome of making gaming more expensive not just for Nintendo fans, but gamers everywhere. That's nothing to applaud or be apathetic about.
 
I sometimes feel like I'm in Bizarro world. On the one hand people feel 80 bucks for a 20+ hours of fun (I assume people buy good games....) is way too much yet people in droves are paying $5 in delivery fees + $5 in convenience fees + $10 in tips for some trash over priced delivery food.
Not me, I'm paying neither.
 
Unlike Microsoft, Nintendo did focus on games, not,"TVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVT....V."

EDIT- They should drop the price of the Switch.
To be fair, Xbox did deliver the games at E3 2013:
  • Titanfall
  • Quantum Break
  • Sunset Overdrive
  • Forza Motorsport 5
  • Dead Rising 3
  • Ryse: Son of Rome
  • D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die
  • Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
  • Untitled new IP from Black Tusk Studios
  • Untitled Halo game
Not to mention the gameplay reveal of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain as their show opener.
 
This Nintendo policy to sell old and half assed games at higher prices than AAA games is bullshit too. Raising game prices on their obsolete technology in games, zero motion matching, lack of voice overs, text based games, no motion capture nor performance capture, catching up with old features. the console doesn't even include the micro SD card. So another 50 dollars for a 256GB card. and charging 10 dollars for a demo of the console, which looks like hot garbage and super cheap, if you think that is ok, you like it in the ass, and that is ok.
It's not a thing about affordability, it's acting out of principle.

Wtf are you talking about? Moving the goalpost much? I was talking about the price of the console, not software, as was Bowser. Everything costs more. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

No one is forcing you to buy a $1300 cellphone or a $1500 graphics card.
 
This is the creative side of capitalism. It costs money to be creative and deliver new experiences at an accelerated rate.

It seems people are opining for the slow, state-approved, committee-designed flavour of creativity. The Nintendo Five-Year Plan Edition. No gamer left behind. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. 😆
 
? The DE bundle is $400. The disk bundle is $450. Did you even bother to read before replying. $80 is for standalone either for the Pro (kind of BS) or if you change your mind and want to upgrade DE later.

And also, we are taking about Nintendo, enough with SonyToo. I have dunked on them enough in Pro threads. The point is that Nintendo is unilaterally raising prices without an actual reason for them beyond "Fuck you, give me my money".
😂 You are the one that brought up the irrelevant digital "cheaper" PS5 but sure you can stop bringing Sony up yes.

The price of Switch rose by $150. It has 10x the processing power and a screen with features that none of the other handhelds are doing...for much less than those other handhelds. If you can't afford it, maybe you have other priorities in life you should be worrying about instead of videogames
 
Thank god Nintendo is thinking of the poors. Geez. The narrative and PR for this is almost as bad as PS3 Arrogant Sony. Could be worse. It's still early.

Help Me Im Poor Donald Duck GIF
 
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This is almost as bad as PS3 Launch Sony. Could be worse. It's still early.
This is nothing like PS3.

No one with a brain and understanding of economics and pricing is complaining about the price of the console, especially considering the tech and higher pricing of other competitive handhelds.

People are upset about the price of one game and the fully upgraded version to games they already own. 🙄

Never thought I'd see GAF act so entitled with gaming prices when they've been paying for $1500 graphics cards, $700 consoles and $70 games all this time.
 
This is nothing like PS3.

No one with a brain and understanding of economics and pricing is complaining about the price of the console, especially considering the tech and higher pricing of other competitive handhelds.

People are upset about the price of one game and the fully upgraded version to games they already own. 🙄

Never thought I'd see GAF act so entitled with gaming prices when they've been paying for $1500 graphics cards, $700 consoles and $70 games all this time.
This was so obvious. So much Nintendo salt on here.
 
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What the hell does "make the other Switch platforms available" even mean? You mean you released the original Switch because you knew the Switch 2 was gonna be a lot more expensive 8 years later? What is he even saying? Did he mean keep them available?
 
This is Xbox one all over again. I swear it's like living an alternative timeline at this point.

First Sony with ps3 and get another job
Then Xbox one we have an Xbox 360 for those that can't get Xbox one drama and now this.

Same mistake over and over again.
 
I'm sure Sony would've said the same thing about PS4 if asked about the price of the launch PS5.

What do you expect them to say, "Let me lower the price for you real quick"?

Most new systems now cost more than the previous one. Get over it.


This is not true, since PS3 was more expensive than any current PS system.

Dude, this white knighting is going full cringe, honestly.
 
The price point of the console isn't the problem. It's the $80 games. They've gotta set the ceiling at $69.99 and just be okay with leaving that additional greedy $10 off the table. Otherwise I think many people will just revolt and only play old games. And also $80 games is the death of new games. It would be a slow death but a death nonetheless. I can't imagine giving Nintendo $80 freaking dollars for a four-year old Kirby game. Or a very minor add-on to last year's Mario Party. Just ridiculous.
And people didn't want Gamepass 🤣 who's laughing now.
 
This is Xbox one all over again. I swear it's like living an alternative timeline at this point.

First Sony with ps3 and get another job
Then Xbox one we have an Xbox 360 for those that can't get Xbox one drama and now this.

Same mistake over and over again.

What's the mistake? Saying you have other options available?
 
What the hell does "make the other Switch platforms available" even mean? You mean you released the original Switch because you knew the Switch 2 was gonna be a lot more expensive 8 years later? What is he even saying? Did he mean keep them available?

Sounds like they will continue producing/selling Switch 1 because they know Switch 2 is going to be hard to sell to a lot of folks.
 
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People are upset about the price of one game and the fully upgraded version to games they already own. 🙄

It's not that MKW is £75 for the physical (huge increase considering first party Switch titles are £50). The messaging around variable pricing has also rubbed me up the wrong way. Not to mention the little things like charging for a glorified manual.

Never thought I'd see GAF act so entitled with gaming prices when they've been paying for $1500 graphics cards, $700 consoles and $70 games all this time.

Nvidia took it's fair share of criticism with their prices. Sony has taken flack for the PS5 Pro price and their low output of games this generation.

Nintendo are not beyond criticism.
 
Nintendo deserves a serious commercial setback with these prices. These statements are starting to sound like Don Matrick or Kutaragi from the PS3 era. If you can't afford an NS2 or don't want to pay $80 for a game, stick with Switch and play MK8, and you'll be screwed.
 
Sounds like they will continue producing/selling Switch 1 because they know Switch 2 is going to be hard to sell to a lot of folks.

The factories will want the original Switch Tegra chipsets off their lines asap. And Nintendo will want production wound down asap as well as the factories will be asking for a premium to keep the tools for making the old Tegra chips up and running.
 
Yes........... keep on telling yourself that.

I'm speculating, clearly.

The factories will want the original Switch Tegra chipsets off their lines asap. And Nintendo will want production wound down asap as well as the factories will be asking for a premium to keep the tools for making the old Tegra chips up and running.

Then what does he mean by keeping current Switch platforms available?
 
You're romanticising this idea that a higher price tag suddenly gives consumers creative control over Nintendo's output. It doesn't. It's not Patreon. You don't unlock executive authority at $90.

Yes, games are more expensive but so is everything. Global inflation, higher dev costs, longer dev cycles, and growing team sizes all feed into this. It's not some conspiracy to shovel out "half-assed ports." You're not being taxed for having taste.
And the idea that Nintendo will "lose creative power" and have to let fans dictate what gets made? That's fantasy. Peolle can barely agree on what they want. Imagine letting Twitter/Neogaf/Resetera steer game development. You'd get Metroid Kart with a farming minigame.

If anything, Nintendo will double down on its weirdness. It's what makes them money. They'll make what sells and what surprises. Price hikes don't flip that equation they reflect the costs of making top-tier games in 2025, not the golden age of GameCube.
I respectively disagree. You see Sony and MS now mostly stick to safe IP and things due to increased dev cost.

If you factor in blowback from missteps, I do think this will factor in to Nintendo's decision making.

Will all the games be perfect? No, absolutely not. Is it reasonable to expect a higher level of quality and completeness from games that $70 - $80? Yes, that is fair, imo.

You are going to see with commercial failures of the tech demo game and the wheelchair game, and hopefully these failures will make them re-evaluate.

It is not that it is a not good idea to be weird, but they can focus on weird mechanics in existing games. Unless they find a proven new IP, that they know will be a big thing. Wii Sports was a great example.

The wheelchair game could have easily been a mode in a Switch Sports resort (Switch Sports 2) for example. The game would exist, but smaller in scope and within another product that will bring a higher return on investment.

Another interesting side note, is a very delicate balance of man power vs price. How many devs did it take to make these new games? Could they have remade an older title or worked on a smaller scope title instead such as Rythm Heaven, etc? How many devs did it use, and what could those devs have done instead?

This is very multifaceted. Nintendo has historically been shielded from criticism on the large scale. I think that is changing.

I do think Switch 2 will likely be a success. It will be hard to match the sales of Switch 1. Still successful though. I also think Nintendo will be forced to change some if they want it or not.
 
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- The price point is way to high (will get higher in US due to tarrifs)
- Technology is (almost) outdated, Steam is a better option. Seems like they will launch a Switch 2 Pro/OLED in two years.
- The shitshow with diifferent versions of the same game
- Pro controller.....come on!
- The price of the games. If you support this you are a morron for sure. It will set us up for a future where less and less people can afford gaming.
 
- The price point is way to high (will get higher in US due to tarrifs)
- Technology is (almost) outdated, Steam is a better option. Seems like they will launch a Switch 2 Pro/OLED in two years.
- The shitshow with diifferent versions of the same game
- Pro controller.....come on!
- The price of the games. If you support this you are a morron for sure. It will set us up for a future where less and less people can afford gaming.

You sound jealous. Just enjoy what you've got. Don't let the FOMO consume you.
 
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